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Men's Magazines Sound Like Convicted Rapists, Study Claims

The Huffington Post    
First Posted: 12/09/11 03:36 PM ET Updated: 12/10/11 01:26 PM ET

Men's magazines aren't known for representing women well, or accurately. In the universe of Playboy, Maxim and GQ, women eagerly strip off their clothes at any opportunity, pose in lesbian sexy scenes for fun and are easily molded into please-her-man machines. But this isn't usually regarded as a real danger to society. According to a new U.K. study, however, the comments that men's magazines make about women are almost identical to those made by convicted rapists.

Miranda Horvath of Middlesex University and Peter Hegarty of the University of Surrey scoured four of the U.K.'s most popular men's magazines, dubbed "lads' mags," and pulled out a range of remarks about women.

For example: "Mascara running down the cheeks means they've just been crying, and it was probably your fault ... but you can cheer up the miserable beauty with a bit of the old in and out."

Then they sifted through transcripts of interviews with convicted rapists in the U.S., picking out comments that these men had made about women and how their victims' behavior justified their crimes.

For example: "Girls ask for it by wearing these mini-skirts and hotpants ... they're just displaying their body ... Whether they realize it or not they're saying, 'Hey, I've got a beautiful body, and it's yours if you want it.'"

The researchers asked a group of men and women between the ages of 19 and 30 to rank the quotes according to how derogatory they were and to identify the source: men's magazine or convicted rapist?

The participants considered the quotes from men's magazines more demeaning, and their identifications were no better than guesswork.

In another study, the researchers asked men between the ages of 18 and 46 to report how strongly they identified with the quotes. Without knowing who said what, the men identified more with the rapists' statements.

When the researchers told the participants the source of each quote beforehand, however, the men were quick to identify more with the men's magazine excerpts -- even though some of them were misattributed and were actually the words of a rapist.

This study, which will be published online in the British Journal of Psychology next week, led the researchers to two uncomfortable conclusions.

"They tell us that there is an overlap in the content between the legitimations that rapists use to legitimate their violence against women and the kinds of things that are said about women in lads' mags," Hegarty said in a video press release on the University of Surrey's website. "And at the same time, they show us that when those things are attributed to lads' mags that they're easier for young men to identify with."

According to this research, the sexist attitudes used by some to justify rape are normal fare within the glossy folds of the U.K. titles Loaded, FHM, Nuts and Zoo.

If mainstream media outlets are normalizing this language and the behavior it describes, it could help explain why 84 percent of men who committed rape, according to the legal definition, said that what happened wasn't rape, according to a 1994 study. This confusion over what constitutes a violent sexual act affects women, too: 49 percent of women who were raped did not classify their experience as such in a 2000 study sponsored by the U.S. Department of Justice.

Under pressure from parents, several supermarket and gas station chains in the U.K. agreed to move lads' mags to the top shelf in February, so as to keep all the glistening bikini-clad bodies out of sight and reach of children.

But the thoughts expressed in the magazines' pages may be a greater cause for concern. "A lot of debate around the regulation of lads' mags has been to do with how they affect children," said Horvath, "but less has been said about the influence they have on their intended audience of young men and the women with whom those men socialize."

Several studies have found that magazines influence men's and women's ideas of what is normal. A 1997 study showed that when men only read fitness magazines, they were more likely to believe women should have a slim figure. And researchers found in 2006 that 12- to 14-year-olds who were exposed to the most sexual content, via magazines, movies, TV and music, were over twice as likely to have sex in the next two years.

"We are not killjoys or prudes who think that there should be no sexual information and media for young people," Hegarty emphasized. "But are teenage boys and young men best prepared for fulfilling love and sex when they normalize views about women that are disturbingly close to those mirrored in the language of sexual offenders?"

And this is just the mainstream stuff. Boys are frequently introduced to sex through pornography, which is often demeaning to women and sometimes violent. There is no solid evidence that pornography shapes our real-life sexual behavior, but many believe we are living with the consequences of easy-access hardcore porn, from a culture that's more permissive of sexual violence to rising rates of erectile dysfunction.

Censorship may seem like the quickest and easiest solution, but Horvath and Hegarty don't believe banning men's magazines or restricting their content will solve the real issue. "Instead, I think it would be more useful if the government were to invest in really high quality sex education for young men and women," said Hegarty, "so that people didn't have to rely on this kind of media to fill the gap."

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10:16 AM on 12/22/2011
If women dress sexy (short skirts especially)....they are damned if they do..."asking for it?" Really?

If they don't dress sexy they take flak for that. I used to live in jeans as a young woman, loving the comfort and NOT drawing attention I did not want. I also took flak from men AND women for not being sexy. We can't win.

Can anyone out there help me with this??
10:10 AM on 12/22/2011
Women are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If she wears a short skirt (she is asking for it?) What kind of logic is that? If she does not dress sexy she takes flak for that...

As a young woman I lived in jeans and hated mini-skirts. I did not want that kind of attention; so I took many rebukes and comments from both women and men about "hiding in my clothes" and NOT being sexy. If I donned a short skirt...I was asking for it?

Wake up people...If we dress sexy we are damned...if we don't....same thing. Can someone out there help me with this??
04:34 PM on 12/13/2011
An empirical study found that 98% of convicted rapists have eaten a McDonald's cheeseburger...therefore all men who enjoy McDonald's cheeseburgers are rapists.

-Howard Fishman, may he rest in peace.
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PalaceOfWisdom
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01:19 PM on 12/13/2011
Men, you are not allowed your thoughts, whatever they may be. It doesn't matter how systematically you are pushed to draw certain conclusions based on your own experience. Everything is always your fault, all the bad in the world stems from you, and every time you ever see a woman for the rest of your days, you should walk up and say "I'm sorry". The message continues to be hammered into us: Women good, men bad.

To be fair, in conventional ways women face tremendous pressure to embody their worst ideas about what they think men are.

It's pitiful that we have a society full of people taught to renounce who they are.
06:40 PM on 12/12/2011
This study is lacking a critical piece that makes it credible:
- Are rapist's remarks about women distinctly abnormal?

Because if they're not, the study is useless. I mean, imagine if we did a study on rapists' remarks about paper towels versus TV ad remarks about paper towels. And both of them said the same thing about paper towels. Would we then say: "Oh no, having those attitudes about paper towels is like being a rapist!" No, of course not. Because their attitudes would not be distinguishing features.

Without this information, the study amounts to a guilt by (statistical) association.
07:49 PM on 12/12/2011
Very good point. Where is the control group of comments from non-rapist, non-magazine writing men?
09:14 AM on 12/18/2011
So women's rights to bodily integrity...and men's responsibility to not encourage rape culture with them, is the same as a paper towel?

By that logic...women are no more important than house hold objects? Objectification in the extreme, yet again. And veritable proof of the study's findings.
05:22 PM on 12/19/2011
Hahaha. Indeed. Spurious association is an excellent standard of proof for studies. That's why it's used so much! ("But you don't understand- there was a correlation! We used a null hypothesis test and everything! We have like... 3 years Stats 501 between us!")

But honestly, the original study may include this information, though I could not find it in the linked materials. But without such supporting evidence they've got a whole lot of proof of nothing. They show something... just not as much as they think they show.
01:22 PM on 12/12/2011
These 'lad mags' are full of crude humor, adolescent views on serious topics, and tongue-in-cheek comments about just about everything. Kinda like the internet.

I don't think its fair to take these magazines at face value.
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01:55 PM on 12/12/2011
just like most things, really...!!
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09:20 AM on 12/12/2011
I am still amazed that a major beer manufacturer aired a commercial referring to women as "prey".
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Dede Eagleburger
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11:43 AM on 12/12/2011
it did? i missed that...
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12:42 PM on 12/12/2011
Yep. And they thought "prize" was the way to fix it. http://consumerist.com/2010/11/heineken-no-longer-thinks-of-women-as-prey.html
08:26 PM on 12/12/2011
So when males or females go out on the prowel what do we mean? Hunting is a excellent analogy for seeking out a mate. Women or men being the prey of women or men in the mating game is common place. Fearful and ignorant feminist who think rape is a product of our culture take this stupid idea and expect the whole society to rearrange itself around it. "Rape Culture" was a stupid idea from a dying movement whose sensationalist tactics have to be upgraded ever sop often to scare those numb to previous waves of scary talk.

We are prey and we are lovers. We crave and consume one another's touch and affection then seek out more when nature calls us to act. When we trust each other we can just be without living in constant fear because they think feminism gave them a license to police our thoughts.
03:39 PM on 12/13/2011
1. It's prowl.

2. WHY is hunting an "excellent analogy" for looking for someone to date? Hunting is by definition a violent act. Only animals behave in that kind of way and only an animal-like kind of human should think that way. Even the words you use like "mate" and "the mating game" make me sick. Love shouldn't be considered a game, never mind a sick and violent one.

3. Note that the ad in question doesn't associate men with prey, but women with prey. Like a woman is supposed to be dominated violently by the hunter. If that isn't the best way-to-show-rape-without-calling-it-rape in advertisement, I don't know what is.

4.
05:55 PM on 12/13/2011
Do you think that rape is not a product of nature, and if so, then why do you think rapes happen?
This is a question that I've had for awhile now -- why rape occurs -- and so I am only trying to gather as many different perspectives as I can.
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09:19 AM on 12/12/2011
Women used to be chattel and couldn't vote. We still have a struggle to pursue in getting equal rights. As far as magazines go, many are just expensive trash. I totally agree with the article conclusion: investing in really high quality sex education for young men and women is one strong way to help the human race. Another improvement would be learning about the human body and nutrition. You can't have a high-quality life if you don't have a good knowledge base; we are at the whims of marketing & manipulation for our basic needs without facts. We pay a very high cost as a society due to poor education.
08:30 PM on 12/12/2011
Men used to be chattel. What's your point? We need sex education for women and feminist in particular who seem to have no understanding of male sexuality and thus have a irrational fear of it in which every other man is a rapist when statistically the are in the low single digits percentage wise. Learning about how young men actually feel might help them understand what normal really is, thus boys can be free to be who they are instead of pretending to be what they are not calm the minds of immature women.
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01:26 PM on 12/13/2011
"Learning about how young men actually feel"

Women would have to care how men feel to learn about it. It's easier to paint us all with the same brush and claim victimhood.
03:43 PM on 12/13/2011
Edit yourself, please.

All men were not historically enslaved or subjugated by another group. Certain groups of men were, but ALL women were historically lesser than ALL men.
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02:49 AM on 12/12/2011
What's always amazing to me is that people want to understand deviant behavior, but when the information they find shows any short of overlap with mainstream society, people immediately get defensive and jump to conclusions. Mainstream society does not want to know that there are characteristics shared between the groups because it makes it harder to separate "us" (normal) from "them" (criminal). Finding shared characteristics shakes that security, and as we can see from these posts, fear of being thrown into that "other" group has people up in arms.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
02:19 AM on 12/12/2011
"Leave subtle hints...yo­u communicat­e subliminal­ly...Do it discreetly­"

Was that quote from a woman's magazine or Joseph Mengele?
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09:22 AM on 12/12/2011
Both?
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
04:01 PM on 12/12/2011
No, but thanks for playing.

Given how much interest has been in going along with this so called study, I assumed they'd be interested in similar such "research" but for "some" reason...they are not.
06:29 PM on 12/12/2011
Well, the women's magazines are at least as bad if not worse. In addition to promoting only the worst possible body image issues, they also are heavy on the emotional manipulation and often supporting downright stalking.

"Think he's cheating? Maybe you should check out his phone or look in his email when he's not there! Stop by his place of work when he says he's working late!" ... Uhm... sure. Or you could just not be crazy. That works too.

Thank the lord that less and less people read magazines nowadays. If we got all our information from those, apparently all men would be rapists and all women would be mostly concerned that their rapist might cheat on them! So... pretty much like feudal times, apparently.
11:37 PM on 12/13/2011
Body image issues and insecurity in relationships = just as bad if not worse than rationalizing rape. Right then.
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02:05 AM on 12/12/2011
Men/Lads mags won't exist & be popular if the women in them, won't 'undress' & act 'all-naughty'.
Funny thing is FEMINISTS are the ones who are ready to drop their clothes and feminine inhibitions to prove that they are no different from men.
But then, they act defensive like on this post and on the contrary when - studies as above- seemingly their actions lead towards the consequences.
07:12 AM on 12/14/2011
THIS attitude here : "seemingly their actions lead towards the consequences ." It a classic hallmark of abuse.

The idea that someone else *forces* you to do something via their actions is what enables people to commit hateful acts. Let's get this straight. NO ONE can force you to do something abusive. You always have the choice. Saying that someone forced you to do is an effort to skirt the responsibility of your actions. No one can force you to hit them. Women are not forcing men to rape them.
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01:34 AM on 12/12/2011
Some men become addicted to porn and are therefore blind to the fact that women,children, and certain vulnerable individuals are at risk for the the insatiable sex trade.
08:46 PM on 12/12/2011
You do realize the sex trade is legal and the fact men like looking at naked women does not make them exploiters anymore than chocolate lovers should be blamed for the children in the cocoa fields. The man blaming needs to stop. If crimes are occurring you blame those who do the act and leave this often persecuted half of the population to go on with their lives. It's easy for you to attack men because our society permits it. Male sexuality is not evil anymore than that of women. We do the deed together, remember that.
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01:26 AM on 12/13/2011
The sex trade is legal? Not in my country it isn't. A man will enjoy admiring and looking at a naked woman as much as she would enjoy admiring his naked body - it's normal, based on equal respect and is healthy and natural. What isn't equal, healthy or natural is the sex trade. The buying, selling and renting of a human being to be used as a degraded object should never be legal in any country and sadly reflects how very far we as a species have to go in terms of evolution. We've mostly stopped Slave Labour but modern sex slavery, prostitution and sexual exploitation continues with disturbing gusto. Renting another human being's body to use for our own selfish satisfaction is the behaviour of primitive, amoral, greedy and debased people. "The man blaming needs to stop"? Ok but men dominate as users of the sex trade. They should take responsibility for their behaviour. Yeah, that's right. I said a dirty word: - responsibility.
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05:13 AM on 12/15/2011
I said "some" men. You don't need to be defensive w/me. By and large, most convicted sex criminals are indeed of the male persuasion. Most men are NOT sex offenders: One of them (as in NOT...) being my husband (who has a healthy view of the female body, no pun intended) When it comes to chocolate, I steer clear of Ne..s..t..le...s, etc. and would rather go without! I ain't perfect, believe me, but I won't agree that porn, soft or hard, is not mainly directed toward men as far as I can tell--that's where the big bucks are that fuel said industry that is by and large, irresponsible when it comes to child pornography, ETC.
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12:02 AM on 12/12/2011
I'm glad that the conclusion is not to censor the magazines. They are disgusting, but banning them won't help things any.
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honky1234
Sweep the leg? But I'll be disqualified!
10:26 PM on 12/11/2011
There was another study in the news lately which said that access to pornography correlates with a decrease in rapes.
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MissTake1989
Equal means equal, hypocrites.
02:18 AM on 12/12/2011
That study does not fit the narrative.
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peachfuzz
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09:50 AM on 12/12/2011
Sex and rape have power in common.The difference, as I see it, is the total overriding of one person's power in rape with violence .... and with sex, people give up their power willingly in exchange for pleasure. All sorts of manipulations can occur to get someone to give up their power of resistence willingly that are legal but may not be ethical. The magazines like to push the 'legal but unethical' to aim at the base nature of people, not necessarily appeal to their best nature because being bad is more fun than being a goody-2-shoes. Porn serves as an outlet to let some of the pressure off -- get some of the power need met for both sex offenders and non-sex offenders.
08:49 PM on 12/12/2011
So women have sex for power? So when the break out the their vibrator I suppose that is about power also and like rapist they are trying to satisfy their power needs.

You seem real comfortable conflating men with rapist and since we are all sexual animals it's only fair to include women.
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08:00 PM on 12/11/2011
It is true that most men's magazine are childish/sexist/ and for the most part simply stupid. Often they read like h.s. sophmores wrote it. I have sat in barbers waiting for a haircut and fliped through some of them and have just shaken my head at the garbage they present as advice or truth. It is difficult to understand how so much of it even goes to print. It is no wonder many women have the attitude they do about most men-men in general. The sad thing is that those who read such magazines take it as truth and perhaps some of the reason that many men behave as idiots. For sure those magazines are causing more problems.
10:59 PM on 12/11/2011
Marketing works by selling people on what they already believe is true. These magazines are take convention­al wisdom and frame it as expert advice or declare convention­al wisdom invalid so the shocked reader feels like they have to read the article. These same tricks are seen in women's magazines and all others that play on our common insecuriti­es.

The best way for women to have a broad view of men is to become the lady who talks to random guys. Until they do this, it's fair to assume they may not know what they are talking about. Taking the passive role creates a active filter since only the most active men get evaluated who happen to be those men least likely to take women seriously.

Men's magazines are there to help men overcome those fears and insecuriti­es tied to society and women's expectations of men as confident initiators­. Sadly, this often means the less regard men have for women the more superficia­l confidence they man can muster. Men who must be aggressors might find respect for women to be a obstacle to actually pursuing more women. If they read those magazines all they find out how some men manage to do what most women are unwilling to do.
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01:39 AM on 12/12/2011
"The best way for women to have a broad view of men is to become the lady who talks to random guys."

And if talking to random guys on HP counts -- and why not -- then the lady learns in no time that a surprising number of random guys are united by one narrow and common thread: their deep and pervasive hatred of women. Which, when called on, they vehemently but unconvincingly deny or use myriad excuses to justify.

The lady who talks to random guys is initially stunned by this discovery, but she reasonably and quickly enough concludes that talking to random guys is not what it's cracked up to be and that it is much better to talk to the select few broad-minded guys (whom she knows well) rather than to many random ones whose minds are narrowed by hatred.
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WilliamL
08:15 AM on 12/12/2011
Nonsense.
11:49 PM on 12/11/2011
Women's magazines are about the same.

Stabbing myself in the eye is slightly smarter than reading them.
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09:53 AM on 12/12/2011
I'm too much of a wuss to stab myself in the eye, and besides that is reserved for interactions with family, but I prefer to just not buy magazines of low quality :)
11:21 PM on 12/13/2011
Women's magazines are in no way the same.