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Timothy Grimmer Dead: Second Child Shot By Mom In Texas Welfare Office Passes Away

Timothy Grimmer Dead

CHRISTOPHER SHERMAN and MATT VOLZ   12/ 8/11 11:03 PM ET   AP

McALLEN, Texas — A 10-year-old son of a woman who shot her two children and then killed herself during a police standoff at a Texas welfare office died on Thursday, a day after his sister succumbed to her wounds.

Timothy Grimmer died Thursday evening at a San Antonio hospital after he was removed from life support, Laredo police investigator Joe Baeza said. His sister Ramie, 12, who authorities say was also shot by mother Rachelle Grimmer, died Wednesday night at the same hospital.

Their father, Dale Grimmer, spent time at his son's bedside Thursday before consulting with doctors and deciding to pull Timothy off of life support, said Mary Lee Shepherd, the children's grandmother.

"He spent hours with Ramie and finally had to let her go," Shepherd said. "He's just concentrating on saying goodbye to his children."

Their mother, 38-year-old Rachelle Grimmer, shot the children Monday and then killed herself, ending a seven-hour standoff at the Texas Department of Health and Human Services office in Laredo. Authorities say she had asked to speak to a caseworker about why her food stamps application had been rejected and pulled a gun after being taken to a private room to speak.

Police say Grimmer let the roughly two dozen people in the building besides her children leave unharmed. During the standoff, she rattled off a litany of complaints about government, Baeza said.

The family had been living in a rundown trailer park, and Rachelle Grimmer had been seeking food stamps since July, shortly after they moved to Texas from Ohio.

The state Health and Human Services Commission released a timeline on Thursday of its contact with Rachelle Grimmer dating back to July 7, when Grimmer submitted an application for benefits.

At that point Grimmer was told she would not qualify for "emergency benefits," in which documentation requirements are postponed, because she said she received child support that exceeded her expenses for rent and utilities.

A caseworker interviewed Rachelle Grimmer July 22 to see if she was eligible for benefits. She was told then that she must provide documentation of her income, in this case child support.

"We closed the case on Aug. 8 because we hadn't received proof of her income," agency spokeswoman Stephanie Goodman said in an email. "If we had that, it's quite likely she would have been eligible for benefits."

On Nov. 16, Rachelle Grimmer called the agency's ombudsman to ask that someone look into her case. On Dec. 1, an agency supervisor called Grimmer, but got no answer and the voice mailbox was full.

Dale and Rachelle Grimmer divorced six or seven years ago, Shepherd said. Dale Grimmer flew to San Antonio Wednesday with his brother and father. She described him as shocked and devastated.

Shepherd said her former daughter-in-law had a history of mental illness and Dale Grimmer tried three times to have the children removed from her custody while they were living in Anaconda, Mont., and Ohio with no results.

"Many, many times he tried to tell people what was happening and nobody would listen," Shepherd said.

The Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services could not immediately verify her claims on Thursday.

Texas Department of Family and Protective Services reported finding two cases Wednesday involving Grimmer and her children.

In the first case, reported Sept. 15, 2010, the department received a possible neglect report after Rachelle Grimmer and her two children were found living in a tent on a South Texas beach. Investigators found no evidence of neglect and closed the case, spokesman Patrick Crimmins said.

In a report made last June, Corpus Christi police said Rachelle Grimmer had come to police headquarters with her two children and reported that she had been a domestic violence victim. Caseworkers checked on her and the children, determined the children were not at risk and took no further action, Crimmins said.

It appears Rachelle Grimmer and the children were in Ohio until at least some point in 2009.

Rachelle Grimmer was homeschooling them, but keeping the Crooksville Exempted Village School District apprised of the curriculum she was using through the 2008-2009 school year, said Vicky Nelson, administrative assistant to the district superintendent.

"There were no problems," Nelson said. The district sent a renewal application to Rachelle Grimmer for the next year, but received no response and was told the family had moved.

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Volz reported from Helena, Mont. Associated Press writers Terry Wallace in Dallas and Lisa Cornwell in Cincinnati, Ohio, contributed to this report.

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08:52 PM on 01/04/2012
What the social workers, police and mother talked about, last minutes?
Did they tell to desperate mother that she has no right to get food stamps?
Btw, if things like that happened in North Korea or Iran, you americans would now
much better who is guilty.
And, oh God, they where enough rich to be on Facebook. Today, even nomads on north
pole have access to internet.
10:04 AM on 12/14/2011
The only persom to blame for this, is the violent abusive mother
08:32 AM on 12/12/2011
How sad that a mother would be blamed because she felt she had run out of options. I know that in dealing the those fine folks at social security, I have been trying for three years to get what I paid in to, and as yet, nothing. Every time I fill out the paperwork. they add something else, and again deny me. What's the point of having people to look at this stuff when it isn't ever the right thing they're looking at. I know just how this woman felt.
01:45 AM on 12/12/2011
No excuses for her. She should have completed the paper work or maybe even look for a job.If she was mentally ill the children should have been given to the father. Makes me wonder if the kids were a meal ticket? More money if you have kids Its really sad it ended this way ,especially where the children lost their lives. I swear its open season on children.Parents are killing them all the time! When are the excuses and finger pointing ever going to stop?? Only if the law changes I say
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09:47 PM on 12/11/2011
why are all my comments pening for approval? Our all the moderators women? Because if so that's sexist.
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Humberto Guida
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09:47 PM on 12/11/2011
we love a sa society to point out how evil men are, and how brutal they are, and how they do all the killing. But what is it with women who kill their kids? Do they think they're saving them from something? Crazy people...Jeez...
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Aladdin Sane1
"Are you the police?""No, ma'am, we're musicians."
04:05 PM on 12/11/2011
Oh. Rick Perry's Texas. Now I get it.
04:30 PM on 12/11/2011
Congratulations on being an idiot.
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Bumblebee83
I wanna have Judge Judy's baby!
06:06 PM on 12/11/2011
Way to make it about politics, when it has nothing to do with that at all, and everything to do with a mother who didn't want to do the responsible thing and complete the process to receive the welfare she was looking for.
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Illuminarts
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02:34 PM on 12/11/2011
I feel very bad for the whole family. This is horrific. What the mom did was horrific. It's horrific that she reached a place where she felt desperate enough to do something like this. Especially, my thoughts are with the kids' father.
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12:10 PM on 12/11/2011
Guns don't kill people. Gun owners do.
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dutchgirl55
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02:07 PM on 12/11/2011
Exactly. If people didn't have easy access to guns, situations like this wouldn't have a chance to happen.
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Illuminarts
You live and learn. At any rate, you live. D.Adams
02:32 PM on 12/11/2011
Not necessarily. Knives are legal. You can drown someone. People find all kinds of ways to harm people when they're in desperate straits, as clearly this woman was. Yeah, less access to guns might make a difference sometimes, but, really, if desperate people got help, that would cut down on things like this too, probably more effectively than limiting access to guns.
12:42 AM on 12/11/2011
absolutely devastating
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Denisehh3
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11:39 PM on 12/10/2011
How sad that she felt she was stressed beyond her capabilities to provide for these precious children.......I wish she had taken them to someone, perhaps their father instead.......I am sure there are many mothers who are stressed.......however they would never chose the route she did.......
12:05 AM on 12/11/2011
18pages? That is not stressed. All she had to do was finish filling out the paperwork with some additional info. I feel horrible for those two children. I hope Karma is catching her now.
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08:42 AM on 12/11/2011
Imagine if she had to work 8 hours a day. Kinda puts spending 30 minutes on a little application for a year of free food in perspective.
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Humberto Guida
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09:48 PM on 12/11/2011
funny but i doubt you'd be that sympatheitc if the killer were a father...
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sparkygirl91
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11:28 PM on 12/10/2011
Mentally ill mother, abusive mother, evil woman - pointing the finger and blaming is pointless. When I first read about this story, my heart went out to those two little children who had lost their mother. And while it is truly sad two innocenet children have died since, their suffering is now over. As horrific as this mother's actions were, we haven't walked in her shoes, we were not in her head, we don't know what she was feeling, we don't really know anything about anything, I'd like to think mother and children are now reunited on a much happier level. I choose compassion over any other feeling. May they all find peace.....wherever they are.....together.
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Humberto Guida
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09:49 PM on 12/11/2011
im sure you'd be less sympathetic if the killer were the father...
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sparkygirl91
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11:55 PM on 12/11/2011
Maybe, maybe not, and you cannot be "sure" of anything. The fact is this is a sad story for all concerned, which DOES include the shooter and his family. And, yes, I can afford to be sympathetic because I am not personally involved. And because I'm not, I can look @ this sad situation with different eyes and emotions than if I were involved.
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sparkygirl91
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11:58 PM on 12/11/2011
Ignore my response to your comment - I got my tragedies mixed up. In response to this one, don't be so sure I'd feel any differently if the father was the shooter. I can have understanding & empathy for anyone in this type of situation, man or woman.
04:26 AM on 12/14/2011
You are so right my dear , this is what happens when bureaucracy gets in the way of life processes . We are looking at the mother and the children but who is checking on the social services who seem to have their asses nicely covered . Interesting is it not ? I am a doctor and many of my patients would have ended up the same way of my partner and I did not give them money to buy food and pay their rent and electricity bills . It was hard on our finances but we did it because we knew what the consequences would be if we did not help . Did the government's welfare system and social workers care a jot ? Not at all because they are in paid up positions with a guaranteed income whether they work or not and somehow , they do not seem to understand the definition of their job description in their letters of appointment !
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GreatCornholio
Don't bother trolling me. Ur wasting ur time...
11:19 PM on 12/10/2011
Richard Cloward and Frances Fox Piven would be proud....

Hey I know, lets build a statue for our fallen comrade.....................................................................................................................
08:50 PM on 12/10/2011
This kind of tragedy will not stop as long as mentally ill people are allowed to have custody of children. What we as a society should focus more on is PREVENTION, such as court giving both parents mental evaluation when deciding on custody. Blaming/sunctions will not deter desperate and mentally ill people from doing harm to children, nor bring back the children once the harm has been done.
09:55 PM on 12/10/2011
I meant "mentally il people who are not receiving proper medical care" by "mentally ill people" in my previous post.
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07:04 PM on 12/10/2011
I am proud to say that i have never watched trumps tv show and a trump debate is nothing i would care to see either,, unless he may bounce a ball on his nose & jump threw hoops along with the runners that are willing to do it for him. If i am to watch a circus i wish to see some real performers,,Not just the clowns.
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sparkygirl91
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11:20 PM on 12/10/2011
That's great, good for you, but what does your comment have to do with this tragic story?
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07:50 AM on 12/11/2011
Got yourself a good start on a Saturday night, I see.