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Do The Small-Business Owners The GOP Claims To Listen To Even Exist?

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First Posted: 12/10/11 10:28 AM ET Updated: 12/11/11 10:39 AM ET

Back in September, our own Christina Wilkie teamed up with Shawn Alff of Creative Loafing to talk with some small-business owners in the Tampa, Fla., area about how they were shaping up their operations in preparation for next year's Republican National Convention. The proprietors went into great detail about their small business, the local economic climate, and their overall strategy for both dealing with and profiting from the economic opportunity that comes with hosting a large, historic political convention. One comment in particular, from a Joe Redner, caught my eye:

In the meantime, Redner's got a few bones to pick with GOP policymakers. "[Republicans] keep saying this stuff about how if we tax the rich, then small businesses won't be able to grow. But I'm a small-business owner, and I put all my money right back into my businesses in the form of capital improvements, which I don't pay taxes on anyway. So their argument isn't how reality works."

Now on its own, this is just a stray piece of anecdotal data, wrapped in a complaint. Sure, we take Redner at his word that from his perspective, he is experiencing life as a business owner in the way he describes. And we need to remember that in any survey, there are always outliers. Plus, Redner runs a very specific business -- the Mons Venus strip club -- and that's a pretty unusual entrepreneurial undertaking. (Also, all of the small-business owners Wilkie and Alff spoke with work in the local adult entertainment industry. I was just being coy in the lead paragraph!)

Nevertheless, one might read that comment and rightly wonder if the politicians who make impassioned pleas and frantic complaints about how a piece of policy is going to affect "small-business owners" are speaking from a set of assumptions rooted in ideological leanings, or are they fully informed by the lives of actual human beings? Mr. Redner would probably suggest the former, but a larger data sample would be preferable.

Luckily, the recent debate over whether to extend the payroll tax holiday provides an excellent opportunity to explore this matter. The U.S. Senate has been working for the past few weeks to overcome a partisan impasse over extending the payroll tax cut. The sticking point, at the moment, is the issue of how to pay for the extension. The Democrats have proposed that a small surtax be levied on people who make $1 million or more in income. As you might expect, the Republicans aren't having this, and, according to NPR's Tamara Keith, they have a specific argument against it:

Ever since the idea of the surtax was introduced weeks ago, Republicans in Congress have railed against it, arguing that it is a direct hit on small-business owners and other job creators.

The argument is that many small-business owners report company profits on their individual taxes because of the way their businesses are structured. Sen. John Thune, R-S.D., says the surtax would hurt their ability to hire.

Thune says that this is "just intuitive." And that's where one starts to worry about assumptions taking primacy over reality. But let's be generous -- maybe John Thune does not have the resources at his disposal to do an extensive round of data collection. NPR does, however, and so it decided to undertake this mission. Let's see what it was able to find out!

We wanted to talk to business owners who would be affected. So NPR requested help from numerous Republican congressional offices, including House and Senate leadership. They were unable to produce a single millionaire job creator for us to interview.

So we went to the business groups that have been lobbying against the surtax. Again, three days after putting in a request, none of them was able to find someone for us to talk to. A group called the Tax Relief Coalition said the problem was finding someone willing to talk about their personal taxes on national radio.

So next we put a query on Facebook. And several business owners who said they would be affected by the "millionaires surtax" responded.

"It's not in the top 20 things that we think about when we're making a business hire," said Ian Yankwitt, who owns Tortoise Investment Management.

Tortoise is a boutique investment firm in White Plains, N.Y. Yankwitt has 10 employees and in recent years has done a lot of hiring.

As a result, Yankwitt says he's had many conversations about hiring, "both with respect to specific people, with respect to whether we should hire one junior person or two, whether we should hire a senior person."

He says his ultimate marginal tax rate "didn't even make it on the agenda."

Yankwitt says deciding to bring on another employee is all about return on investment. Will adding another person to the payroll make his company more successful?

NPR says it was unable to find any small-business owner who would testify that Thune's take on the matter was correct. Thune responded by insisting that NPR found "exceptions to the rule." But if the "rule" is correct, why wouldn't a small-business owner want to talk to a reporter about an issue of paramount importance? Why couldn't any of the congressional offices or lobbying outfits that consider this a matter of paramount importance proffer the contact information of anyone willing to offer a testimonial about the adverse conditions this surtax would impose?

Well, either we've entered a new mysterious age in which Americans no longer want to bitch about their jobs and no one told me about it, or we have to consider the possibility that the people who the GOP believe would be adversely affected by this surtax do not, in fact, exist.

This wouldn't be the first time I've had cause to wonder about this. A few weeks ago, Zach Carter and Samuel Wilkes set out to test the assumption that "uncertainty" -- that favorite conservative talking point -- was "a major barrier to American job creation." Carter and Wilkes did find that a certain type of uncertainty was impeding job creation, but it wasn't the uncertainty the GOP was talking about ad nauseam.

But according to banking data compiled by economic research firm Moebs Services, the uncertainty plaguing the American economy has nothing to do with government regulations or taxes on millionaires. It's an uncertainty driven squarely by consumers and small businesses who are worried about their short-term financial prospects. And it's been going on since well before Obama took up residence in the White House.

Since the end of 2007, bank customers have pulled over $900 billion out of certificates of deposits at major U.S. banks, parking their money in checking accounts and money market deposit accounts. Banks pay customers interest to park their money in CDs, but pay out next to nothing for money market accounts, and still less -- usually nothing -- for checking accounts.

"These are enormous shifts," Moebs Services founder and Chairman Mike Moebs told HuffPost. "We haven't seen stuff like this since the 1930s."

Money market and checking accounts offer consumers the ability to withdraw their money quickly, while CDs require the funds to be locked up for years. And that heavy reliance on short-term cash indicates a tremendous amount of uncertainty among the American public about the future -- people with jobs are uncertain about whether they will have one in a year, people without jobs have to pay the bills and don't know how long their unemployment checks will keep coming in.

As Carter and Wilkes note, as this mass migration of money from long-term investment vehicles to cash-at-the-ready checking accounts has played out, it's had an adverse effect on businesses: "When consumers pull their money out of longer-term investments, banks are reluctant to make longer-term loans, which in turn can hamper businesses, which become reluctant to hire without access to credit."

It's fair to say that a large energy conglomerate or a major manufacturing company would have to account for the odd regulation or ruling handed down by the Environmental Protection Agency or the National Labor Relations Board. But are small businesses not hiring clerks or servers or assistant managers because of regulation? Not according to the available data.

Of course, as a general rule, fast money stays fast -- you're more likely to spend the money that's in your checking account than the money locked up in your "jumbo" CD. But when you take long-term wage stagnation and pile on the most dramatic effects of the financial crisis -- widespread home foreclosures and long-term unemployment -- money tightens up, creating a crisis of insufficient aggregate demand. And here's where things get pretty darned certain: If you know your restaurant is going to be full to bursting on a nightly basis, you're going to do a lot of hiring. If you're only seating four tables' worth of customers, you won't.

Of course, this gets you to the broad argument that you hear Democrats making, as they push for the government to be the spender of last resort in an effort to stimulate the economy at a time when interest rates are low. If you're NPR, you have the same requirement: Can you find people willing to testify to the phenomenon of insufficient aggregate demand or the lack of access to credit, or who pooh-pooh the notion that paying additional taxes inhibits their ability to hire? As it turns out, it's a lot easier:

-- Jody Gorran, chairman of Aquatherm Industries: "This mantra that every dollar in tax increases is a dollar away from job creation -- give me a break. ... It's not taxes that affects job creation, it's demand."

-- Kelly Conklin, owner of Foley-Waite Associates: "I don't decide to hire or buy equipment based on tax policy. ... We know how to make shit out of wood."

-- Debra Ruh, owner of TecAccess: "We need to hire people, but we don't have the cash or the credit to do it. ... I don't mind paying taxes. ... I like living in the United States and having the opportunities here. I don't understand why running a business has to be about avoiding paying taxes."

-- Michael Teahan, owner of Espresso Resource: "What we do in business, how we spend our money, how we allocate our resources -- that has very little to do with tax policy. ... I map my business based on my customers and what my customers want to buy and what they can afford to buy."

-- Rick Poore, owner of Designwear Inc.: "If you drive more people to my business, I will hire more people. It's as simple as that. If you give me a tax break, I'll just take the wife to the Bahamas."

-- Lew Prince, owner of Vintage Vinyl: "The economic premise that people won't hire because they might have to pay more taxes if they make more money is beyond laughable. ... You hire when you think there's a way you can make more money with that hire. The percentage the government takes out of it has almost nothing to do with it."

And just to demonstrate that the demand for stimulation has a lesson to teach us about stimulating demand, let's circle back to our strip club owner:

Mons Venus typically closes at 5 a.m., but Redner said he would be willing to keep the club open 24-7 during the GOP convention if demand merits it. That said, he may charge clients a premium at the door. "During the Super Bowl I charge $50 a head. I may decide to do that during the convention, too."

Sounds like he might be in need of some extra -- um, let's say "hands." But there you have it: In the typical partisan fight over taxes and economic relief, both sides make some specific arguments about how small businesses will be affected. But only one argument seems to be supported by people who actually exist. Next week -- perhaps in a timely response to this NPR article -- the House Small Business Subcommittee on Economic Growth, Tax, and Capital Access is scheduled to produce three small-business claimants who may be willing to testify that the millionaires surtax will adversely impact their ability to hire. If they do, it might shore up an argument that seems largely based on imaginary people.

READ THE WHOLE THING:
GOP Objects to 'Millionaires Surtax'; Millionaires We Found? Not So Much [NPR]
Serving the Interests of an Imaginary Group [1115.org]

So NPR, with its pile of Facebook friends and millions of listeners, just couldn't find the right boss. If you're a business owner whose hiring decisions are made based on high-end marginal tax rates, send me an email.

[Would you like to follow me on Twitter? Because why not?]

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Back in September, our own Christina Wilkie teamed up with Shawn Alff of Creative Loafing to talk with some small-business owners in the Tampa, Fla., area about how they were shaping up their operatio...
Back in September, our own Christina Wilkie teamed up with Shawn Alff of Creative Loafing to talk with some small-business owners in the Tampa, Fla., area about how they were shaping up their operatio...
 
 
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realpolitic 07:22 PM on 12/10/2011
This article illustrates two of the many false narratives Republicans not only live by, but base their policies on. Their policies are so bad because they are based on fictional people in fictional circumstances. First of all, the article illustrates how Republicans are wrong when they say if you tax the small business job creators then they will not hire. Perhaps they will not take that trip to the  Read More...
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Ray Temple
11:13 AM on 12/15/2011
for one tax hike their is a equal to or greater than tax loophole so in the end nothing lost nothing gained.
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Ray Temple
11:08 AM on 12/15/2011
NO because consumers make it up for them so they are still even and cry going out of business so they can use special state and federal programs to line their pockets they are no better than the banks and most publicly traded company's can get around the insider trading law. I DO NOT FEEL SORRY ! need new start up business programs fresh blood and some quality made in the USA products.
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01:38 AM on 12/14/2011
As a small business owner The increase in taxes dosn't matter as much as the lack of working capital, no credit in industry and no production. 1% tax are you kinding me that matters nothing compaired to no materials no contracts no finacing The goverment can not create jobs only demand can . It,s not a matter of big business or small busines it's a matter of the childish behavior that is shown by both parties of the goverment. It is the inablity of the members to do there jobs that is creating the distrust. The fact that both parties are feeding on it is disscusting, the infighting is nonsence, over 50% of the congress (261) are in the one 1%, weather they are DEM or REB they are not going to raise taxes on themselves. It's all a side show for the benifit of themselves. 174,000.00 a year is to much to pay congfress has raised there own wages 8% in 3years ,has your paycheck gone up, that is if you still have a job or a business or even a chance.
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DennisTheMenance
05:20 AM on 12/13/2011
Well, after being Self Employed for over 40 yrs and retired?
1. We had So Many Legal Tax Deductions we hardly Paid ANY TAXES!
2. We stayed in business since we'd have to make about 25% more working for someone else to Net the Same we made being Self Employed..
3. Yes we helped employ about 3-4 people, but then again We didn't pay hardly any taxes on what We made..
4. As Did several of my Friends who also Were Self Employed..They too, Hardly paid any taxes!


Technically? People working for someone else pay far more Taxes than the Self Employed..
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badunion
01:40 PM on 12/12/2011
It's very easy to prove that cutting taxes works, let's go to Clinton's Presidency, Newt Gingrich as Republican Speaker of the house balanced the budget 4 years in a row, he called it the "contract with America" Clinton called it "the contract ON America", Clinton fought it tooth & nail, the budget got balanced, Our present Potus hasn't even presented a budget in 3 years! God are you people blind or what? This is a Cloward & Piven Anarchist of a President, that will end next November!
04:34 PM on 12/12/2011
Clinton also raised taxes and that didn't bring about the resession that the GOP warned.
04:44 PM on 12/12/2011
Perhaps you should stop going on about Cloward and Piven, do some introspection, and think about Dunning and Kruger.
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badunion
01:31 PM on 12/12/2011
Joe Redner owns a topless bar, he has a criminal record 8 feet long, Huff you guys are sooo socialistic, like Saul Alinsky.
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huevos07
The Anti-Beck, Conservative Hunter
11:21 AM on 12/12/2011
As a small business owner, who patriotically pays my taxes, conforms to regulations, provides jobs, and contirbutes to the local economy, I can say, with authority, the GOP is lying on every count. I see nothing in their platform that has any positive benfit for my business. Low taxes and regulation have no bearing on my hiring, none, zero, zilch. The only tax increase that would hurt my busniess would be on middle and low incomes, as those people would have to make decisions on how and where they spend money. The wealthy can already afford to dine at my cafe, I'd rather not lose any of the majority of my customers who actually have to make day to day hard decisions on where to spend what ever money they might have. Conservative economics are a scam to redistrubute wealth upwards. You have middle class conservatives demanding their own, and their children's, retirement and health care get gutted so that already rich can keep just abit more.
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badunion
01:32 PM on 12/12/2011
You are a Cloward & Piven Socialist.
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huevos07
The Anti-Beck, Conservative Hunter
10:45 AM on 12/13/2011
You are a money worshiping sociopath.
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huevos07
The Anti-Beck, Conservative Hunter
10:50 AM on 12/13/2011
Nothing wrong with being a socialist. The US military is a socialist organization. Go protest them. But if you can find anything specific to criticize in my post, go ahead. But you won't because you can't. Conservatives can't defend their message, so you folks can only attack the messenger. Which just illuminates the moral and intellectual void that is conservatism. Do you provide jobs and contribute to the economy? Or do you sit at home crying like a baby about how the poor just aren't poor enough? I'll get you a tissue, Muffin
01:41 PM on 12/12/2011
Call your Senators and Congressmen and tell them this. I have been contacting mine.
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01:13 AM on 12/14/2011
I would if I though it would help but I live in Utah and Urine Hatch is fairly well bought and paid for
10:55 AM on 12/12/2011
You put all your money back into the business as capital improments, thus paying no taxes. So you found your way to lesson your tax burden and increasing your worth. Called bottom line. Great!!! Now, how about those that really are not making a large profit, or those like you that look very hard at turning their work into dollars and sheltering them from taxes. All I see is that presently there is an incentive to make more, and that by making more the government gets more,,automatically. To place a higher rate on certain income levels will lead, (in my opinion) to more loopholes, and people staying just below the rate increase level. Loopholes are the problem. If you got the money for a good tax evasion expert, you will pay less taxes. Most claim their fees are free, after the savings.....Just take a certain percentage...PERIOD.. no loophole,,no tax advisers, but everyone must pay....
10:19 AM on 12/12/2011
More on those "imaginary" people of the GOP and San Fran: While the city is at the forefront of attempting to provide a decent living wage, most employees say it's still not a wage to live on, that the 32-cent hike seems like peanuts. And some employers say it could lead to layoffs by small businesses already forced to pay federal, state and city payroll taxes as well as a slew of other city-mandated taxes.

Daniel Scherotter, chef and owner of Palio D'Asti, an upscale Italian restaurant in the Financial District, said the city's minimum wage hike from $9.92 to $10.24 means that his highest-paid employees -- the waiters who make most of their income from tips -- will see more money in their pockets while his salaried kitchen staff will have to take the hit.

If Scherotter raised menu prices to make up the difference, he'd risk going out of business in this economy.
10:11 AM on 12/12/2011
These small business owners of the GOP must all live in San Francisco! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/san-francisco-minimum-wage_n_1142706.html
09:44 AM on 12/12/2011
Two of the biggest employers where I live in Syracuse,are investing their facilities and have come out and said that in the next year,it means next year,more jobs. It is demand that creates jobs. Anybody with even a small bit knowledge about economics knows that. You can already write off on your taxes if you invest in the infrastructure of your business.
09:29 AM on 12/12/2011
Would you expect anything else from this CHUMP. And the rest of them?
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09:19 AM on 12/12/2011
I've never had a job. I work too hard, from age 13, creating and growing small businesses and nevr could understand why reporters have been so lazy as to not talk to us, or ask republicans what evidence they have for any of the wild claims they make. I made $250k one year, 20 years ago, but on average my taxable income has been well under that figure. Tax policy has nothing do due with how I distribute profit sharing, re-investment in the company, hiring decisions or how much to retain for living expenses. My customers, the services provided, aids to efficiency, ease of borrowing short term for payroll, expansion options, skills sets of perspective employees, and such ARE major decision points. Taxes are based on profits and it is a rare small business that develops $250k a year in net profits.
The republicans are making it all up and it shows that they never really talked to small business owners, ever ran one, or talked to the employees of one. They do, however, seem to talk to major multinationals who fill their campaign coffers because these policies they attribute to looking out for small business, in reality, only benefit large corporations, often foreign, who pay for the policy writers(lobbyists) who create the talking points for the republicans and their media outlets.
10:57 AM on 12/12/2011
They say income...They do not say profit.......
01:31 PM on 12/12/2011
They often say or imply "income" but business taxes are paid based on profit. The gross revenue of a business is not taxed. They say or imply income because it strengthens their weak position.
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thecreeksedge
08:15 AM on 12/12/2011
Once again Republicans don't let the facts get in the way of their story. They are driven entirely by ideology and, like zealots everywhere, can't be deterred from their beliefs even if they have no factual evidence to support them. They have taken up the tax issue as an easy way of campaigning for office. It's just plain lazy to be simplistically against taxes without bothering to realistically address how tax policy is affecting the economy and our society. It doesn't require any political courage, which for the Republicans seems to be in short supply.

When the voters wake up they will decide that they don't want the public sector gutted; they don't want the environment polluted; they don't want the workplace to be unsafe; they don't want education to be neglected; they don't want health care to be denied and costs to continually escalate; they don't want the military given a blank check; and they don't want the middle class destroyed.

All of these are addressed with slogans and stories by the Republicans and their policies are destructive to the nation. Let's make them accountable for their rhetoric.
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rascal barquecat
250 words? That's not enough to complete a
05:16 AM on 12/12/2011
In answer to the headline: No. The particular type of small business owners the GOP /TP pretend to shill for do not exist outside of GOP /TP talking points. Makes it ever so much easier to defend a position that no-one can find because they don't exist than to have to actually, gasp, deal with reality.

The GOP/TP use lies about small business to hide behind and cover the much worse lies about their favorite Big Business (whether it be agri or pharma or investment or energy or whatever) but small business and Big Business have as much in common as the Jersey shore and Mount Everest.