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Afghanistan Night Raids Defended By Adm. William McRaven

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By PATRICK QUINN   12/11/11 01:50 PM ET   AP

KABUL, Afghanistan -- The U.S. Special Operations commander who directed the operation that killed Osama bin Laden defended the unpopular night raids on homes in Afghanistan that have provoked the fury of the country's president and held up a security agreement with the United States.

Adm. William McRaven also backed a training program his troops run for village police forces – an initiative that some fear could spawn militias and new violence.

McRaven, who leads the U.S. Special Operations Command, said in a rare interview with journalists late Saturday that the U.S. understands Afghan concerns about night raids and has allowed its partner Afghan forces to take the lead in those and other operations.

"At the end of the end of the day I think you would find that night raids are very valuable when you are trying to get someone who is trying to hide," McRaven said.

Afghan President Hamid Karzai has called for an end to the raids, in which troops borne in by helicopter search homes, because he says the forces conducting them treat too many civilians as if they were insurgents and violate privacy in an intensely conservative society. The deaths they cause – although relatively few in number – have made them unpopular with many Afghans.

Afghan citizens, Karzai says, cannot feel secure if they think armed troops might burst into their homes in the middle of the night.

McRaven, who would not answer questions about the May raid that killed bin Laden in neighboring Pakistan, said the United States was discussing the future of night raids with Afghanistan's government.

Around 2,800 raids against insurgent targets have been carried out in the past year, he said. But in 85 percent of them, the forces involved never fired a shot.

"In that time the civilians casualties were less than 1 percent. The number of times we engaged was about 15 percent," he said.

Karzai convened a traditional national assembly known as a Loya Jirga last month that stopped short of demanding a complete end to night raids. Instead, it asked that they be led and controlled by Afghan security forces – a demand that the U.S. says it has met.

Still, the issue has held up the signing of a security agreement with the U.S. that could keep thousands of American troops here for years beyond the 2014 deadline for most international forces to leave. Remaining U.S. troops would train Afghan forces and assist with counterterrorism operations.

The U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan, Ryan Crocker, told reporters Saturday the raids will be a topic of debate when the two countries return to the negotiating table to discuss their strategic partnership.

McRaven's command is involved in training Afghan commandos – 8,200 so far – as well as special forces and local police known as ALPs.

U.S. special forces have been training the village-level fighting forces in hopes of countering the Taliban insurgency – a concept similar to the one that turned the tide of the Iraq war.

But the ALP initiative has stirred worries it will legitimize existing private militias or create new ones. Warlord-led militias ravaged Afghanistan in the 1990s, opening the way for the Taliban takeover.

McRaven said he had not seen any evidence that the groups were fueling local rivalries. He said there was no decision to increase the number of ALP's, although "my instinct is yes to increase, but that remains to be seen."

The Afghan government has agreed to have about 30,000 of the ALP forces trained by the end of 2013. They will be located across 99 districts around the country at a cost of about $170 million a year. The forces are not meant to replace the Afghan army or police, but complement them in some areas.

"The real advantage for the ALP ... is the ability for Afghans from their local districts to protect their own homes," McRaven said.

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In December 1979, the Soviet Union invades Afghanistan and sets up a communist regime loyal to Moscow. Backed by the West, anti-communist mujahedin fighters launch a guerrilla war against the Russian troops. The Saudi Osama bin Laden fights on the side of the mujahedin.

Young supporters of the Afghan communist regime march through the streets of the capital Kabul 28 April 1979.


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TheTightwireGuy
Attempting to balance reason and passion
01:02 PM on 12/14/2011
Of COURSE the good Admiral would depend these practices. He isn't being paid to 'play nice' over there; he's paid to subdue the population on behalf of the corrupt Karzai-lead central government. Karzai just doesn't want the political fallout of how our military props up his government.

And if you are an American citizen and don't like this policy, well, you'd better be careful. Because the Pentagon, abetted by the Senate, has a plan to deal with you if you make too much of a fuss:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2011/12/defense-bill-revised-in-bid-to-avoid-veto-107179.html
10:42 AM on 12/12/2011
It seems to me that doing police work should be beneath them, but there isn't much that differentiates police from military these days.
08:12 AM on 12/12/2011
I can inagine the hatred that would grow in me if some night a group of jack booted men, from half a world away, and who could not speak my language but worked with interpreters, kicked down my doors, threatened and mistreated my family, went through my property and scared my children half to death,,,,But i wouldnt peep even a protest, cause id know among these men are some.. mean and anrgy men that would and could will kill us all.. my family and children., instead I would hold my anger, and eventually do anything, say anything, and co-operate with anyone who could somehow get back at these invaders.
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
08:06 AM on 12/12/2011
Let Afghanistan invade Pakistan and see if they have the same Bullyness of USA, USA, USA

At least it should cover the CIA/Military covert actions todate

MURDER R US or USA
07:30 AM on 12/12/2011
I think it is utterly preposterous for anyone not currently serving in the military with combat experience to comment on the tactics our servicemembers use to fight and win our nations wars. If you have a problem with the way our military is conducting operations, talk to your representatives in congress that sent them overseas in the first place. Armchair generalship is a waste of effort and distances yourself even further from the less than one percent of your fellow Americans that care enough to serve to protect your personal freedoms.
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
08:09 AM on 12/12/2011
You keep imagining in you delusion you are Represented.

I will continue to call Murder, Assassination and Execution without a Trial what it is by Webster Dictionary. Until the USA SS burns or changes the definition. In which I will use the Constitution and Original Webster Dictionary.

Call knowing the truth Armchair. At least it is not joining the Madden Crowd. Bah! Bah!
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Jeff Woodring
08:34 AM on 12/12/2011
They're American citizens. They have the right. Even if they're wrong. But, aren't you tired of decade long wars against enemies that have to steal our bullets to shoot back at us?
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thegreenhornet
civil rights lawyer
07:26 AM on 12/12/2011
Karzai is just worried about his cadre of drug dealers. He wants them to get a good nights sleep so they can make him richer and he can join the 1%ers back here.
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
07:18 AM on 12/12/2011
I cannot wait until these people are in charge of law enforcement here in the states ..... it will be sooner than you think.
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
08:14 AM on 12/12/2011
You missed the signifying EVENT, 911

You surely know the head of the CIA is now head of the Military and the Military special Ops queen Patraus is in charge of the CIA

How do you define: A coup d'état (English: /ˌkuːdeɪˈtɑː/, French: [ku deta]; plural: coups d'état; translation: strike (against the) state, literally: strike/blow of state)—also known as a coup, putsch, and overthrow—is the sudden, illegal deposition of a government,[1][2][3][4] usually by a small group of the existing state establishment—typically the military—to replace the deposed government with another body; either civil or military. A coup d'état succeeds if the usurpers establish their dominance when the incumbent government fails to prevent or successfully resist their consolidation of power
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intellifran
insert clever line here...
06:34 AM on 12/12/2011
I guess people look at the relatively low numbers of US deaths and encounters from these night raids and think "we must end them, not enough Americans are dying." That would be only reason one wouldn't support these raids.
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dhinds
A Collection of Quotable Gems
07:16 AM on 12/12/2011
It all depends on the kind of world you want to live in - and create.

A policy good for creating enemies.
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Nancy Daniel
God is Love
03:06 AM on 12/12/2011
It is only a matter of time before they start night raiding homes here in the U.S.
www.thegeekwork.com
06:33 AM on 12/12/2011
That's a stretch. Reply when you get raided.
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
07:20 AM on 12/12/2011
I'm hoping you reply first....
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
08:20 AM on 12/12/2011
MY POST is capured and held for up to 30 days. Unless it contains CIA

CIA, CIA, CIA
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
08:18 AM on 12/12/2011
What do you call capturing every Internets Transaction and every Phone Call.

GPS tracking?

Your a Terrorist or at least you are considered a Potential terrorist, which means no hearing, trial, habeas corpus, trial by jury or due process. Boy would the SS love America. Maybe they do
02:38 AM on 12/12/2011
Past time to bring 'em home. Then lets close most US overseas bases. Think of the savings.
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ttsgw
Atheist and secular humanist
01:26 AM on 12/12/2011
SS and Gestapo made similar night raids against jews in the thirties and forties. It is probably from there he got his inspiration.
nam medic
Service above Self ...Always
08:00 AM on 12/12/2011
The US Army lost over 100,000 men fighting the SS and the Gestapo in World War Two. Ask any Holocaust survivor to compare the US Army to the SS.

If you hate the United States in general and our great military in particular, Why are you here?
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ttsgw
Atheist and secular humanist
08:55 AM on 12/14/2011
I'm fully aware of the sacrifices USA made during the WWII helping Europe and the world getting rid of Hitler and the Nazis. However, I don't understand why I should ask the holocaust survivors about the atrocities the US is committing against the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, killing thousands of civilians, including defenceless children (collateral damages I believe it's called). And then, why should everyone who doesn't have the same opinion as you leave the country? Instead of peacefully, without breaking the law, argue for their view on things and maybe have them changed by free and democratic elections. However not a popular statement among conservatives.
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
08:23 AM on 12/12/2011
I heard we brought them here from there in 1945. The beginning of the CIA
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edejan
12:52 AM on 12/12/2011
Of course he defends night raids. It's what our militarized police do here at home right in the USA.
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bnorwood
Father, Grandfather, Uncle, Son, Brother
12:51 AM on 12/12/2011
If i may borrow from Pastor Martin Niemöller 'When they came for the Iraq's, I cheered for I was not one. When they came for the Afghans, I celebrated for I was not one. When they came for the Libyan's, I said a toast etc etc etc. These tactics have already come to our shores. The most public are the raids on the "occupy groups". Stop making excuses. Stop accepting excuses.
08:20 AM on 12/12/2011
Absurd
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bnorwood
Father, Grandfather, Uncle, Son, Brother
07:31 PM on 12/13/2011
It would be a good thing if you are right.
12:41 AM on 12/12/2011
Mitt defends night raids and waterboarding as, "the ends justify the means". As CINC, I'll take covert ops over some Internationalist Namby-Pamby UN concensus, hands down.
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
08:24 AM on 12/12/2011
That is communism, but all candidates including Obama need a more broader term that applies to any government type

Tyranny will do for me. Actions speak louder than words.
Kommonman
I question because you will not
12:29 AM on 12/12/2011
As long as tribalism holds sway among the people of that land there will always be terror springing up from the fields of hate the farmers of intransigent ideology plant there. Is it our responsibility to change the seeds of harvest sown there...perhaps not...Should we allow the poison fruit of their archaic society effect the rest of the fields of the world...definitely not...We left those fields fallow and the weeds of radical religion sprang up and spread across the land until those weeds affected the world forcing a radical response to tear out the harvest of hate that had sprung forth there. Now the question arises do we again allow the the fields of that land to lie fallow once more or allow the farmers of hate to sow new seeds of terror for both that land and the world at large or do we stay to til the land in the hopes of sowing a new kind of harvest for the peoples of that land. It is a difficult choice we are offered. Do nothing and have fields of ideological hatred sown while we look away once more or to cast seed along side those farmers of discord and hope what we sow offers something more to the benighted people of that land, enough so that in time what we have sown out grows the what what the farmers of ignorance would offer...Either path is frought with peril and will cost us all dearly.
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dhinds
A Collection of Quotable Gems
07:12 AM on 12/12/2011
The farmers of intransigent ideology are far from home.
Kommonman
I question because you will not
10:26 AM on 12/12/2011
The farmers of intrasignet ideology are everywhere
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yoyodyne666
is it friday yet?
07:23 AM on 12/12/2011
....as opposed to our archaic greed.
Kommonman
I question because you will not
11:00 AM on 12/12/2011
I agree that mankinds fundamental instinct of self-interest and greed has done much to degridate the world and cause terrible issues across the planet...That fact can not be denied...Still our nation went in there whether you or I agreed with that decision and broke it, the same with Iraq, and as much as I might not want to have had our nation to have taken those actions to some degree we are now responsible to help make the lives of the peoples of those nations some what better and stable. I abhor war yet even I can recognize the need for stability in that region though the cost is horrendously prohibitive...Perhaps it is niaeve to think our efforts there might bring forth something better for the afghan people who in some respects do not wish it but by the same token to do absolutely nothing would simply cede the land back to the radical fundamentalists who would also insist their ideology be spread at the point of a gun or the blast of a bomb. So in the end I submit we are damned if we do and damned if we do nothing. Still the doing offers a chance for change where the do nothing only returns the afghan people and the region back to what it was. War lords, private armies,radical fundamentalists all vying to take control of the peoples of that land, leaving even more death and destruction for that benighted nation.