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Democrats May Drop Millionaire Tax In Payroll Tax Fight


First Posted: 12/14/2011 5:40 pm Updated: 03/ 2/2012 12:29 pm

WASHINGTON -- After months of arguing that millionaires should have to pay their fair share for the costs of the president’s job bill, Democrats are poised to drop a provision that would make them do so.

In a Wednesday meeting between Senate Democratic leaders, President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden, lawmakers discussed alternative methods of paying for a payroll tax cut extension, which is set to expire at the end of December and remains stuck in limbo in Congress. Early in the day, Democrats had pushed for a surtax on income above $1 million to pay for a one-year, two percent extension of the tax holiday. But after Republicans beat back the proposal in the Senate and passed something different in the House, lawmakers began mulling alternatives.

Among the new pay-fors being considered, according to Democratic sources, are a proposal to boost the fees that mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac collect from lenders -- something already contained in a House-passed payroll tax package -- and reductions in mandatory spending (though it remains unclear exactly where those cuts will be made). Another mystery is what the party will do with a proposal to expedite consideration of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline that was included in the GOP-backed bill the House passed Tuesday evening. But the State Department has warned that if the Keystone language were to pass, it would result in them ultimately nixing construction of the pipeline system designed to transport crude oil from Canada through the United States.

One top Democratic Senate aide said that the alterations to the payroll tax pay-fors would “hopefully get us closer” to a resolution on the matter. Currently, Senate Democrats are stalling consideration of an omnibus spending bill until the payroll tax cut issue is dealt with.

But it also will likely open up the White House to charges that it caved, once again, on the issue of raising tax rates on the wealthy. A Senate Democratic leadership aide stressed that the party's members "have always been flexible" about how to pay for a payroll tax cut and that at the White House meeting "adjusting or changing [the] pay-for was certainly discussed."

Aides to House Democratic leaders, who were not in Wednesday's meeting at the White House, signaled that they, too, could support dropping the provision.

"We've always made it clear that we need to extend the payroll tax cut holiday and that it should be paid for," said a senior House Democratic aide. "While we think asking millionaires to contribute their fair share is a reasonable way to pay for it, we've said that we're willing to work with Republicans to make sure people don't see their taxes go up in a few weeks."

A White House spokesman declined to comment on the meeting.

If, indeed, Democrats are criticized for the decision to drop the millionaire's surtax, they will have a ready response. For months, the White House and congressional allies have argued that Republicans were willing to protect the tax rates of the super-wealthy at all costs. As the GOP has brought the debate over the payroll tax cut to the absolute brink, Democrats have been able to solidify that perception. Polls certainly show that Republicans are on the wrong side of the issue and paying a political price for it.

In the end, however, Democrats are finding themselves once again negotiating out of necessity. Time is running out for Congress to extend the payroll tax cut, which expires at the end of the year and translates to a $1,500 tax hike on middle-class Americans. On top of that, Congress has to pass some kind of spending bill by Friday, when the current continuing resolution funding the federal government runs out, in order to avoid a government shutdown. And on Wednesday morning, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) denied a request to pass a short-term continuing resolution to allow for future negotiations.

Administration officials are already preparing for the possibility of the government running out of funding: on Wednesday afternoon, federal agencies sent emails to employees alerting them of the possibility of a shutdown and explaining how it would affect them.

“We do need to be prepared for any contingency,” said Ken Baer, spokesman for the Office of Management and Budget. “And in case Congress does not act, we are taking the steps necessary to be prepared if a lapse in funding should occur.”

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WASHINGTON -- After months of arguing that millionaires should have to pay their fair share for the costs of the president’s job bill, Democrats are poised to drop a provision that would make them d...
WASHINGTON -- After months of arguing that millionaires should have to pay their fair share for the costs of the president’s job bill, Democrats are poised to drop a provision that would make them d...
WASHINGTON -- After months of arguing that millionaires should have to pay their fair share for the costs of the president’s job bill, Democrats are poised to drop a provision that would make them d...
WASHINGTON -- After months of arguing that millionaires should have to pay their fair share for the costs of the president’s job bill, Democrats are poised to drop a provision that would make them d...
 
 
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kevrob 10:25 PM on 12/14/2011
No, 'fair share' means people paying an amount that is based upon their ability to pay taxes. If the government needs X number of dollars to operate, we cannot expect those who have little or nothing to contribute in order that those who have the ability to contribute the most don't have to pay as much as they can afford.

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forestnfama
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03:16 AM on 12/16/2011
Capitulating Democrats........who side are you on...... crying about them bad ole republicans but always in the end capitulate. You are killing us progressives......we have been screwed so many times it is hard to even say we are democrat. Obama, you may be better than any Republican but not by much.......you are governing more like Baucus.....or one of the bluedog Traitors.
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
06:44 PM on 12/15/2011
The state of being a Democrat represents a constant struggle between hope and experience.
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dizmo4
03:14 PM on 12/15/2011
Its far more important to get the payroll tax extension passed than to implement a new millionaire's tax. A new tax on millionaire's is not going to solve the income gap. For that, you need comprehensive tax reform which closes loopholes and deductions that millionaires can claim which allows them to pay significantly lower taxes. You need to adjust the capital gains tax--people like Buffet and most on Wall St. make most of their income through investments which isn't taxed at the 35% rate for income taxes, but at the far lower rate of 15% for capital investments. Increase that to 20% ( which is what it is in the rest of the world) and you'll really have a tax that only the most wealthy individuals will pay.
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dizmo4
03:17 PM on 12/15/2011
Reforming the corporate tax code to force companies to actually pay the stated rate would also do wonders. As would ending subsidies. You can even drop the top corporate rate to say 28% and still see companies like Bank of America and GE receive a 28% increase in the taxes they pay ( as they paid 0). Change the law to prevent companies from hiding funds overseas. Go after tax havens and so forth. I would much rather hold out for true tax reform than to put all the eggs in this millionaire's tax basket.
10:50 PM on 12/15/2011
Do you really believe that the same Congress that gets the vast majority of their reelection campaign funds from Bullionaires is going to actually shift the burden of the taxes off of the working poor and middle class??
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LFox6
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04:12 PM on 12/15/2011
I have no problem with upping the capital gains tax 5%, that's more than fair. The only thing that really concerns me is how our Congress has a tendency to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Once they get their hands on that added 5%, I doubt they'll stop til they gradually raise it over time to, say, 50% - and that's just not right
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03:06 PM on 12/15/2011
B.S. The payroll tax should've never been cut in the first place. What happened to the Democrats protecting Social Security? That's where that tax is supposed to go. 47% of the populations pays NO federal income tax, so why not give them another break from a program that 99% of them will need to survive when their older.
The Republicans should agree to raise taxes to Clinton era rates as soon as the budget is balanced or raise them now and apply the excess collected ONLY to the national debt. Problem solved.
10:54 PM on 12/15/2011
Funny, my FDIC Payroll taxes got marginally smaller with the Bush Tax cuts, but my SSI payroll taxes remained the same. I guess you, icemdown must have a different taxation system than every other American working for a paycheck.
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04:19 AM on 12/16/2011
Evidently you work under a different system if you even have a job. There is no such thing as an FDIC tax. FDIC is federal deposit insurance that covers your bank accounts. I'm assuming your talking about FICA? FICA includes SSI and Medicare. Medicare was added in 1960. The tax has NEVER been cut until last year.
The Bush tax cuts lowered marginal rates for EVERYONE that had a working income.
Let me know when you land your first job.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Growth_and_Tax_Relief_Reconciliation_Act_of_2001
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Scott EngageAmerica
02:32 PM on 12/15/2011
According to the Tax Policy Center, if this latest version of the payroll tax holiday is passed without being paid for it will add $250 billion to the deficit (eng.am/t4cD82).

The extension of the payroll tax cuts would help many Americans who would otherwise see their taxes go up. However, this current plan to increase the amount of temporary tax cuts even more will do little to help the overall economy, because there is no reason to believe that this measure will increase long term job growth. The Director of the Congressional Budget Office has said that the temporary increase in take-home pay would be saved rather than spent (eng.am/u9aS4F).
02:16 PM on 12/15/2011
Come on Democrats! Stand with the 99% and HOLD OUT for taxing the RICH a fair share! Hold out instead of CAVING IN ..... AGAIN! The 99% support this! Let the elections change the makeup of the House & Senate and then go retroactive on our tax cuts!!??!!
03:39 PM on 12/15/2011
Step away from Ed Shultz. The "99%" do not support this exactly the way the Dems want it. What do you consider to be a "fair share" for anybody?
05:28 PM on 12/15/2011
How silly. The Democrats aren't going to cave in, they never do. They are just going to go along with what their ultra wealthy Plutocrat donors want, while paying lip service to the "99%"
12:24 PM on 12/15/2011
Obama will agree to anything to get on the plane to Hawaii for 17 days of golfing and fine dining while we stay back and eat crumbs.
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LFox6
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04:13 PM on 12/15/2011
Oh come ON that's just ridiculous!
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corte33
12:20 PM on 12/15/2011
The wealthy are wealthy because they know how to avoid paying taxes. Here's a suggestion. Since the FED is giving away free money to Wall Street banks (about 25 basis points), charge the banks a 1 per cent surtax on money received, as a gift tax. Obviously this tax will help pay for unemployment benefits, as well as defray student loan interest.
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surfinnonreality
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02:26 PM on 12/15/2011
Why obviously? If implimented, why would it not be applied to the deficit?
05:24 PM on 12/15/2011
Most of the truly wealthy in this country are wealthy because they were born into wealth and have a grand tradition of finding the most unscrupulous CPA possible to find every loophole in the tax code. Many of the wealthiest families in America have incorporated themselves offshore (using a government grant to start a small business) into "Investment Corporations' to protect their assets from income and inheritance taxes.
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PCPrincess
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11:59 AM on 12/15/2011
I say we deliver on our promise and vote out every single incumbent. I would exempt Ron Wyden of Oregon from that. He is the only rep to constantly put his neck on the line for democratic ideals.
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corte33
12:21 PM on 12/15/2011
OK, then we have to deal with a new bunch of clowns. We need to outlaw lobbyists.
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surfinnonreality
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02:29 PM on 12/15/2011
No exceptions. If you get to choose one, I get to choose one, and that guy over there chooses one, and that woman gets to keeps hers. Oh wait we do that with our votes. And I want to keep the reps that represent the conservative values. Sorry no one is going to get everyone to vote in lockstep. Keep trying tho.
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lisaman
I am a liberal American so get over it
11:30 AM on 12/15/2011
So what else is new? News would be when republicans compromised for the good of the country but that ain't ever gonna happen.
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Troutguy
A bad day fishing is better than a good day workin
11:24 AM on 12/15/2011
Isn't it something like 70% of Americans would like to see the wealthy contirbute a little to help solve our financial problems. Um, Mr. Boehner. You always say you want to do what the American people want. We're waiting.........
11:15 AM on 12/15/2011
This proves the Dems are a bunch of "Cave"men.
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CorpGreedSux
Romney's a FRAUD
11:08 AM on 12/15/2011
I will hold Obama accountable for this if it happens

enough is enough
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George Hanshaw
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
06:45 PM on 12/15/2011
"I will hold Obama accountabl­e for this if it happens"

And do what?

Vote for the Newt?
For Ron Paul?
11:05 AM on 12/15/2011
OMG why is this stuff so frustrating....can we just get fair back...fair is all we want...for crying out loud..
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surfinnonreality
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02:41 PM on 12/15/2011
When has life ever been fair? The entire human history has been based on one group being unfair to another. Every invasion, every war, every land grab, you name it someone has said it wasn't fair. Our government using right of eminent domain is never fair. Business raising prices on your favorite food isn't fair. But it is the way life is. Unless everyone thinks exactly the same, fair will never be. Take it to the minutest sharing. Two brothers having to share a candy bar. One will always claim that what he got wasn't fair. Every bad marrriage isn't fair to one partner or the other. Divorces aren't fair. There is no fair to get back too. That is why obama claiming the rich should pay their fair share is such a line of bs. You can't have an ideal. So live with life the way it is.
11:03 AM on 12/15/2011
It's curious how "progress" in negociations means democrat side is caving in again.
Why is that?