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Payroll Tax Cut Fight Prompts Government Shutdown Threat

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First Posted: 12/14/11 02:02 PM ET Updated: 12/14/11 02:56 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- Senate leaders again raised the specter of a federal government shutdown Wednesday in the latest round of partisan brinksmanship over the fight to extend the payroll tax cut.

"The most immediate concern at this point is, despite the federal funding expiring two days from now on Friday night, my friend the majority leader is blocking action on the funding bill that would keep the government open," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said on the Senate floor, referring to Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.).

The government runs out of funding on Dec. 16. Few observers expected that date to spark another shutdown fight, since House and Senate lawmakers had finished most of the work on the so-called omnibus bill designed to keep Washington running.

But now a move to extend the 2 percent payroll tax holiday is suddenly getting in the way, after the House passed a GOP measure to do that Tuesday packed with items the Democrats see as poison pills. Senate Democrats want to pass a 3.1 percent cut, paid for by a surtax on income above $1 million, and believe that they have overwhelming public support on their side.

Although McConnell warned lawmakers of the threat of a government shutdown, Reid argued that he was being disingenuous and had placed himself in an odd position. One day earlier, McConnell demanded an immediate vote of the House payroll cut bill. After it passed, however, he turned down Reid's request to bring it to the Senate floor. Democrats need to hold a vote on it so that they can dispatch the GOP-supported bill and begin pursuing a compromise that they find more acceptable. McConnell saying no, they argue, shows he's not really interested in reaching a deal or getting the government funded.

"My friend is living in a world of non-reality," Reid said, speaking just after McConnell. "I think that everyone can see very clearly that my friends on the other side of the aisle obviously want the government to shut down," he added, linking the current GOP leaders to the infamous government shutdowns that occurred in the 1990s under the watch of then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich.

"They have had experience doing this," Reid said. "That presumptive Republican nominee, Newt Gingrich, tried that once. It didn't work so well. so I don't think it's going to work very well again."

McConnell insisted that it was better to vote on the government funding bill first, because it was ready to go. Democrats have objected, publicly arguing that there were unresolved issues involving legislation relating to Cuba and environmental policy. Privately, they believe House Republicans will leave town after the government funding bill is passed, leaving Senate Democrats with an unenviable choice: pass the GOP version of the payroll tax cut extension or nothing at all.

One Democratic aide joked that it was turning into “a mutual assured destruction scenario.”

With the legislative action at a momentary standstill and the government set to run out of money by Friday night, Democrat are gaming out several possibilities.

The most likely scenario is the one currently being pursued. Reid has begun the process of bringing the House Republican payroll tax scheme to the Senate floor through normal procedures. But without any help from Republicans, that bill will only get a vote on Saturday, after a potential shutdown.

A second possibility is to pass the short-term continuing resolution that Reid wants the House to send over to keep the government open while lawmakers keep talking. McConnell objected to proceeding immediately to such a measure in the heated back-and-forth on the Senate floor.

Democrats don't currently see a way to force his hand and get something done by the time the government runs out of money on Friday. Continuing Resolutions originate in the House of Representatives. Even if one was brought up to the Senate through regular order, a Democratic aide suggested that McConnell would be able to corral his members to deny it the 60 votes needed to cross procedural hurdles.

Moreover, sources said Reid and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) are not even talking, and a GOP aide suggested the House is unlikely to send a continuing resolution. "There's a bipartisan, bicameral spending bill ready to go," the aide said.

Boehner's office sent out a press release blaming Democrats, saying they should just pass the spending bill. "President Obama and Senate Democrats are holding hostage a bipartisan agreement that would keep the government running," the release said.

There are a few other options for Reid. He could try and attach an agreeable version of the payroll tax cut extension to the omnibus spending bill. But that bill is already nearly finished being "conferenced" to make the House and Senate versions agree with each other, and if it were to come to the Senate as a conference report, it could not be amended.

Democrats in the conference committee could try to attach a payroll tax cut before sending it to the House and Senate, but that might irrevocably compromise the $1 trillion measure, ruining any chance of a long-term solution to spending wars that pop up every half-year.

"The people in the conference could put it in but that would be difficult to do," explained one leadership aide. "Republicans would object to it."

There is also the option of simply punting on the payroll tax cut until early next year, even though President Obama and Reid have both vowed they would work through the Christmas break to extend the cut.

Under this scenario, Democratic leadership will allow for the omnibus to pass and then simply head home. Workers would soon see their paychecks cut by 2 percent, and if, as the White House has insisted, Republicans would face criticism for letting the payroll tax cut expire, they will likely be eager to return to D.C. quickly to resolve the issue. This option, however, has obvious and dangerous pitfalls.

"What in the last year and a half would suggest to you that that's something you can take to the bank?" said one senior administration official. "Our view is it should get done before they go and we shouldn't let it expire and doing so, without having it locked in and done, in addition to having it impact people's paychecks -- and there are many people in this country living paycheck by paycheck -- it puts a lot of uncertainty in the economy."

"There is no reason to do it unless they are desperately in need of a longer vacation," the aide continued. "The Democrats have committed to staying here as long as it is needed to get done and our hopes are Republicans will do the same."

Then, there is the fact that House Republicans passed their own payroll tax cut extension Tuesday night. If Reid were to let lawmakers leave without matching or coming to a legislative agreement with Boehner, it would be Democrats who would be blamed for letting the tax cut lapse.

"It is not a complete win for us anymore now that they have passed it," said one Democratic Hill aide. "In fact, the optics will be awful."

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WASHINGTON -- Senate leaders again raised the specter of a federal government shutdown Wednesday in the latest round of partisan brinksmanship over the fight to extend the payroll tax cut. "The mos...
WASHINGTON -- Senate leaders again raised the specter of a federal government shutdown Wednesday in the latest round of partisan brinksmanship over the fight to extend the payroll tax cut. "The mos...
 
 
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Coinyer101 05:35 PM on 12/14/2011
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05:07 PM on 12/16/2011
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We are Dems,Gop, But First We R All Americans
11:33 PM on 12/15/2011
Web are the hostages. Boehner, you greedy liar.
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l78lancer
Wisdom is the principal thing
04:23 PM on 12/15/2011
The democrats in the senate are experts in losing the high ground.
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04:19 PM on 12/15/2011
"One day earlier, McConnell demanded an immediate vote of the House payroll cut bill. After it passed, however, he turned down Reid's request to bring it to the Senate floor. Democrats need to hold a vote on it so that they can dispatch the GOP-supported bill and begin pursuing a compromise that they find more acceptable. McConnell saying no, they argue, shows he's not really interested in reaching a deal or getting the government funded."
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McConnell is a total liar. When he was offered the chance to bring it to the floor two days ago there was absolutely no reason to wait - except to push the deadline closer. It was clear that his express intent is to run out the clock. There is no way they should be permitted to go home without the work being done.

That may be the way to play politics, but that is NOT the way to govern.
02:15 PM on 12/15/2011
The House plan to extend the payroll tax cut is simply exactly what is wrong with the government as a whole. The provision for a pipeline being addressed by the President in 60days up or down has NO EFFECT on the payroll tax etxtension as to how to offset it financially. It is merely a PORK BARREL project the repbulicans want to see pushed through and will seemingly attach it to any bill to get it. On the other side, the Democrats offered up a way to offset the payroll tax cut that regardless of what you think of the proposal is ON TASK. Line Item veto for the President should be the next pressing amendment to the constitution immediately, containing the same presidential override provisions by the House and Senate as are in place now........Bills would be processed much faster and in my opinion, contain less PORK
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trollsbwild
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
01:57 PM on 12/15/2011
I have no problem with this "tax cut" expiring. It would give social security the funding and may end the attempts to have our politicians even entertaining any thoughts of cutting benefits.

Better than keeping the cuts, but decreasing unemployment benefits by 40 weeks and giving the ok for the XL pipeline.
01:45 PM on 12/15/2011
If the house and sentate cannot come to an equitable agreement, they should stay and forgo their Christmas leave.
01:40 PM on 12/15/2011
I've heard the term honest lawyers and politicians but I really think it's a made up word with no bearing in fact.
01:38 PM on 12/15/2011
I think we should send all of the secrataies home and make the house and senate stay through christmas recess until they can clear up this mess. Instead of recalling them, let's just fire them instead and them Obama can declare Marshall Law and disband congress, both houses and we can start over. congress should be a privelege to serve in and then one term only, let's put an end to permanent politicians.
02:09 PM on 12/15/2011
I really like your idea. I think we should get rid of all of them and have a total change in how we elect people in Washington. For what they have done this year, they have been the biggest part of the problems in this country. I think it is time for the Washington Day Care Program to end and just send them home permanently!
07:26 PM on 12/15/2011
Amen****************How do we start to get this done? The word needs to get out.
The news won't report anything like this. People wake up.
01:24 PM on 12/15/2011
Part 1. of 2.
The Federal Government must never be at risk of shut down. So use the 14 Amendment to extend the deficit. Tax time is 4 months away. I believe that the still can reform the Tax code through proper reform and use retroactive measures back to the first of the year on any issue because of lack of time to get thing done properly.
The Payroll Tax extension must not be passed, but instead be raised to 6.5 percent and for those only earning above $27,000.00 under $24,000.00 of earning no Payroll Tax. Between $24,000.00 and $27,000.00 the Payroll tax should be set at 3.25 percent.
Social Security is at risk and the present Bill is not right at all it would place unequal burdens on only a select group of people that would compromise the proper way of doing it. Even if it would benefit the ones under $85,000.00. A proper Tax reform could offset the increases and provide more benefits in the long run if done right.
Kevin S. Gerig RacerCJ30@aol.com Independent
01:54 PM on 12/15/2011
the federal gov has never been shut down 100% life will go on and most people will not miss them
01:24 PM on 12/15/2011
Senator Reid does not know how this would affect what really needs to be accomplished to benefit the people in a much better way.
Of course if the Congress holds up what really needs to be done the Senator Reid is right for the people and everybody suffers. Social Security will still be at risk of bankruptcy in the future just like the Postal Service.
And the only way to fix that when that happen is to Tax everyone to the maximum. Putting lives at risk more than they are now.
Kevin S. Gerig RacerCJ30@aol.com Independent
12:23 PM on 12/15/2011
The answer to this is just too simple. It you want a payroll tax cut, you write a bill for it with NO ADDONs. If you want to extend unemployment benifits, you write a bill that extends unemployment benifits with NO ADDONs. If you want to have a pipeline built, you write a bill to have the pipeline built with NO ADDONs. Of course then you would see who votes for what and you could use that in making you decisions in the next elections. What a concept! That is just what they are all afraid of and try to hide with spins and by adding things to bills that have nothing to do with that bill.
12:30 PM on 12/15/2011
Be careful, that would force all the politicians into a position where they might have to be halfway honest. Could we handle that????
12:40 PM on 12/15/2011
At this point in time I do not think there are any honest politicians, but maybe it is time they are made to be. Obama promised change, but he lied just like the rest. He only tells the people what he thinks they want to hear and that has been the way for ever. Can we ever have real change? I wonder? It will take people knowing both sides and being honest themselves. That too is questionable. Change would require sacrifice, knowlege and participation. I just do not think people are really ready for any of it. Too bad though!
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heikhali
12:19 PM on 12/15/2011
How long does a member of Congress spend in the bathroom?
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But I wa promised a Water Buffalo
01:17 PM on 12/15/2011
about as long as Reid can make a dull speech.
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trollsbwild
The beatings will continue until morale improves!
01:59 PM on 12/15/2011
Tap tap tap...