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'The Jefferson Bible,' Jefferson's Personal Bible On Display At A Smithsonian Exhibit

Jefferson Bible

First Posted: 12/15/2011 6:36 am Updated: 12/15/2011 6:36 am

By Josef Kuhn
Religion News Service

WASHINGTON (RNS) How would you feel about taking a razor blade to a Bible?

Thomas Jefferson, apparently, didn't have any qualms about it.

In his retirement, the nation's third president carried out a project he had contemplated for years: he literally cut and pasted passages from the four Gospels into one integrated narrative of Jesus' life -- minus the miracles and supernatural events.

The result, he said, was "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man." Judging by the wear and tear on the book, it appears Jefferson read it regularly.

Known as "The Jefferson Bible," the 84-page patchwork book is on display at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History here through May 28, 2012. Smithsonian Books has released a commemorative full-color edition, and Tarcher/Penguin is publishing a pocket-size version in January.

The exhibit is the first time the book has been shown publicly since it underwent a meticulous conservation process. When the pages were removed from the binding for treatment, they were also photographed, so that the entire book can now be viewed in high-resolution digital images on the museum's website.

Curator Harry Rubenstein said the book can be controversial, but it depends on how you look at it.

"It's either a statement that strips out the divinity of Jesus ... or it's a distillation of his moral philosophy," Rubenstein said.

Jefferson cut passages from six different Bibles, in English, French, Latin and Greek. He left behind any elements that he could not support through reason or that he believed were later embellishments, including the Resurrection.

The politician in Jefferson well understood the scandal that such a project could cause. He kept it secret until his death in 1826, although he confided his religious views in contemporaries such as John Adams and Benjamin Rush, a signer of Jefferson's Declaration of Independence.

A champion of religious freedom and the father of the American tradition of "separation of church and state," Jefferson was denounced as an anti-Christian and an atheist by political opponents throughout his career.

The accusations were unfounded, scholars say. In 1803, two years after taking office, Jefferson said, "I am a Christian, in the only sense in which he wished any one to be; sincerely attached to his doctrines, in preference to all others; ascribing to himself every human excellence, and believing he never claimed any other."

"Jefferson's basically a deist," said Joseph Ellis, a Pulitzer Prize-winning historian at Mount Holyoke College. "(He) thinks that Jesus is really a neat guy -- like Socrates; we can learn a lot from him. But he's not the Son of God."

Ellis noted that he has experienced a lot of resistance from those who don't wish to see one of the leading Founding Fathers as anything other than a devout Christian.

Ellis, who added a page on Jefferson's religious views to the Encyclopedia Britannica, said, "I can't tell you how many hits I've gotten. I've got thousands of people trying to kill me, you know?"

The reaction reflects a trend among politicians and pundits to try to draft Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers into contemporary culture wars.

For instance, last year conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck hosted historian David Barton to talk about the Founding Fathers. Barton is the founder of WallBuilders, a conservative group that aims "to educate the public concerning the periods in our country's history when its laws and policies were firmly rooted in biblical principles."

On the show, Barton argued that most of the Founding Fathers were more devout than people tend to think they were. Jefferson, for example, signed his presidential documents with the words "in the year of our Lord Christ," he said, and in 1800 started holding church services in the U.S. Capitol.

On the other hand, atheists have recently tried to claim Jefferson as one of their own. In a park in a Santa Monica, Calif., a display was set up this year alongside rival Nativity scenes that quotes Jefferson: "Religions are all alike -- founded upon fables and mythologies."

Ellis said Jefferson, like most of the Founding Fathers, was not a devout Christian. George Washington was "a lukewarm Episcopalian" and James Madison was "sort of like Jefferson," he said. "(Alexander) Hamilton was sort of an agnostic until the end, when his son got shot in a duel, and then he started to become a Christian."

So which was he, Christian hero or skeptical heretic? Even Jefferson himself seemed to have trouble answering the question: "I am of a sect by myself," he once said, "as far as I know."

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02:46 PM on 12/27/2011
American exceptionalism is the product of centuries (colonial and post-colonial) of the devout telling themselves that they were divinely chosen to end "old world corruption", to spread the Protestant Bible & Protestant Jesus round the world. Jefferson cutting up his Bible is no different from the first generation of Protestants removing seven books from the canon because they gave scriptural support to doctrines that they did not like, with the epistle of St. James being spared only because that might've given the game away . . .
11:35 PM on 12/22/2011
I encourage all to learn about The Orthodox Church.  Christians need to study the history of the Church and see that the Orthodox Church is the Church founded at the day of Pentecost. There are 300 Million+ Orthodox Christians still practicing the original Christian faith that Christ left to the Apostles, who then in turn ordained Priests and Bishops, which has kept the Apostolic faith intact, living to this very day. To all Christians out there, please study your faith and realize that this same Church founded almost 2000 years ago lives.  This is Christ living Church, pre all the denominations/Protestant reformation.
04:16 PM on 12/21/2011
May everyone be brave enough to edit this roman-created new testament....As anyone who truly understands the gospel would kick paul out as someone who is only teaching his own teaching.
just as Thomas Jefferson said "paul is the first corrupter of Jesus' teaching"....with this bravery,
we would the start looking into other stories like Jesus died in Kashmir....
05:32 PM on 12/21/2011
that was "paul was the first corruptor of Jesus's teaching"...another bravery would be to study the lineage of the Nazoreans......with Enoch and Melchizedek to->Yahya (John the Baptist) , Yahshua ha Nazorean (Jesus) and Yahkov ha Zaddik (James the Just)....May we all break free from just believing and become established in BeingLived.
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08:36 PM on 12/19/2011
I love it when you bring up the inconsistencies with the current crop of religious yahoos and their attempted re-writing of American History.

They completely skip over the American Enlightenment and the influence Hume, Thomas Paine, Voltaire etc., and others had in a government ruled by reason and secular wisdom.

They live in a parallel universe inhabited by unicorns and fairies sprinkling magic dust that wipes away the sins of the founding fathers and makes them perfect people.
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10:02 PM on 12/17/2011
So how would Jefferson finish in the Iowa Republican caucus?
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08:26 AM on 12/18/2011
The same as the rest of the Founders; i.e. dead last.
07:39 PM on 12/20/2011
he wouldn't be a Republican
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10:56 AM on 12/17/2011
I became deeply involved in researching our family tree after I suffered a concussion with cognitive and memory problems. The intense detail work and date work was one method the neuro- psychologist recommended to do it and was astounded to discover that my mother was a descendent of the Ball's, Randolph's, Lee's and other early families of VA and through those lineages we were related to George Washington through two branches, to Jefferson, to John Marshall, and Alexander Hamilton. I then did some deeper research on them and read a great deal regarding Jefferson. I had already come to agree with much of what he had thought in regards to the New Testament and had decided the Old Testament was full of superstitious explanations and should largely be disregarded. The teachings and philosophy of Jesus were worthy of the greatest of religious leaders and were a tremendously important guideline for all to follow, son of God or not.
11:38 AM on 12/17/2011
Opinion only. Yahshuah whole philosophy comes right out of the OT, which is written the whole of Yah's plan of salvation comes out of and is so mentioned. Yahshuah fully observed his forefathers faith told in OT, Abraham, Noah, Enoch, Moses, Job. All of Yahshuah every saying, Yah Words comes directly out of the OT from His forefathers. So did Yahshuah come to start a new religion, throw out the OT and write a new book? When Yahshuah fully lived by, obeyed, observed the faith of His Hebrew forefathers, who were called Righteous men of Yah? Yah book is not 2 books, but one book. There is no New or Old, Yah Word is the same today as yesterday, since the beginning of Time. Yah book of Life, has a beginning and a end, a last chapter.. Note Yahshuah like his forefathers wrote nothing down, but spoke orally. Those who have ears, hear.And we are told in prophecies of the OT what to look for, that the great deceiver will even masquerade around as being Yah himself, he to has powers, and can appear as light or who ever and work miracles also. Test all spirits like Yahshuah told us.
06:52 AM on 12/18/2011
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Razpooten
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01:28 PM on 12/18/2011
Huh?
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12:18 PM on 12/17/2011
Ref: "The teachings and philosophy of Jesus were worthy of the greatest of religious leaders and were a tremendous­ly important guideline for all to follow, son of God or not."

The priority of God's commandments as taught by Jesus is found in Matthew 22:36-40. Jesus provided further insight that thoughts were equal to actions in Matthew 5-7. Since the greatest commandment according to Jesus refers to loving God, how can you follow any of the other teachings without this motivation? Many atheists claim to follow the Golden Rule. However, when you question them to their motivation, they explain their motivation as selfish or a form of cognitive dissonance appears. Motivation is the key teaching of Jesus and without accepting the greatest commandment, you miss Jesus' teachings totally!
01:39 PM on 12/17/2011
Not true at all.
First the person posting was posting about Thomas Jefferson and what he determined. Thomas Jefferson wasn't a Christian, but simply a deist. He also did not believe in a personal god. He believed in that which is before us, the creation of nature. Simply that. He believed Jesus was not divine or a god, but a major prophet. He admired the teachings of Jesus as lessons in moral dilemmas and created his jefferson bible to teach his children moral dilemmas and foreign languages (he translated it into many languages). It is a worthy book.

Your post opinion about atheists is pure fiction. It is sad that you would post such myths. The study of ethics is over 3,000 years old with strong traditions and this without religion, too. Taoism and Confusionism have no religion or gods. Buddhism in most forms is without gods. The point being there is grounding in our own humanity for core morals. The golden rule being one. To rely on some deity with totalitarian laws is a bit much. It isn't necessary for those that doen't believe in the gods. Your words of "selfish" and "cognitive dissonance" are incorrectly used and sadly underwhelming by their use in your post of pure bigotry. Please learn to follow the teachings of Jesus. The key teachings of Jesus are love thy neighbor as thyself, turn the other cheek, help the least among us, and give up your materials goods and obsessions.
01:32 AM on 12/18/2011
Your post: "All of these facts are from NETDAV McDowell.
Finally, what is your theory? Who wrote the Scripture to what purpose?"

My previous posts stand. I do not believe any of it. None of it is proof of divinity and none proves that Jesus even said any that is attributed to him. Some ideas came from those times, but we don't know when exactly and from who exactly. I, like Thomas Jefferson, take the diamonds of "ideas" of ethics and morality whether they be from Jesus or whoever and use them as one uses a wonderfully good ethical toolbox. The divinity, well, it is the stuff of faith and to make you all warm and comfortable. That is your faith. That is your assumptions. It is your right to believe as you wish, but nothing you have posted makes any justification using reason. That is all, in my opinion, dear sir.
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10:37 AM on 12/17/2011
The last time I was at Monticello for a visit, this bible was on display in what could have been described as Jefferson's study. In my opinion, it is certainly as 'valid' as any other bible going, since the bible has been reworked multiple times over thousands of years and is surely not the undefiled word of god sent from above. I'm glad that visitors to Smithsonian will get to see this remarkable work.
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10:28 AM on 12/17/2011
Olethea - Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I guess I was not clear. Of course Jefferson considered himself Christian, but by his definition. His political/Christian detractors and enemies called him an atheist and heathen. He was that, and much more depending upon whose definitions you use. Tea-partyers, Conservatives, and Republicans would crucify him today for his non religious beliefs. I, as a member of CFI Indiana, strongly believe in and defend Freedom of religion, and the right for anyone to believe or not believe in any religion. Our only problem is with those who think Christianity (or any religion) should control the government at the expense of the religious freedom of others. I am sure you must agree after reading your comments. Were Jefferson alive today he would receive the same hate he did back then. How sad.
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10:32 AM on 12/17/2011
@" Our only problem is with those who think Christiani­ty (or any religion) should control the government at the expense of the religious freedom of others. " Please tell us who you are referring to here. A particular political party? A social institution?
12:04 PM on 12/17/2011
Opinion only. Well know Yah has His own Government, for every Kingdom as it laws for order that distributes equality rights, protection and freedom for all. For Yah is all Righteous King over His people. Every King has His own subjects who serve under Him, in serving in His Kingdom, His own people Yah said. I Am coming on the terrible day of the Lord to gather All Leaders of All Nations on the day of His wrath. Note Yah does not mention us does He? But all Leaders in All Nations on earth. Feed My Sheep. Yah Laws distribute equality rights for all, protection and freedom for all. No elite in Yah Kingdom all are the same and no one is of greater value over another. For all are tested of their true faith, Love of Yah. Even Yahshuah was first tested for 40 days before He started His work given to him to accomplish on earth in serving Yah in His Kingdom, Government. Yah himself needs not to be tested now does He?
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12:14 PM on 12/17/2011
Gemmax - Conservative Evangelicals, Creationists and Intelligent Design believers, the conservative religious right, including many politicians believe the US government should be a Christian government. All the TV evangelicals promote a Christian government all the time. Our government must remain secular and not support religion. Creationism and any one religion must not be taught in the public school classroom nor be favored in public supported institutions. Thankfully, not all religions support a church (Christian) government. They need to speak out to support our secular government. What I am saying is nothing new but apparently there are those who need to hear it again.
10:44 AM on 12/17/2011
F&f agree, but it does not mean Jefferson did not believe in a Creator, Yah. For Jefferson spent his life doing what we are all told to do, by Yahshuah, have you not read, heard, studied, what Issiah said, the prophets prophecy that will come to pass. Jefferson spent his whole life in seeking, asking questions, not simply accepting what others told him what to think or accept. Yahshuah himself asked many questions, boldly to scholars of the Law and rebuked many of them, nor did Yahshuah bow to anyone man of flesh on earth, but only to His Father in whom He fully served by serving others. Yahshuah lived a Righteous life, fully obeying the Laws, and greatly preaching about the importance of obedience to Commandments, which Yahshuah fully did himself. Jefferson was a educated man, who also sat in the sit of power himself, who clearly witness himself the inner workings of such powers of those around him. The inner workings of those in power behind the scene did he not? He witness himself, those who had power around him, deception of those who held power do also,. to maintain only their own self interest and keep that power over others. Why I believe Jefferson himself, in his own personal life of faith, trusted not man, but sought for himself truth.
10:27 AM on 12/17/2011
It is a wonderful thing that Jefferson created this bible of tribute to Jesus' moral teachings. I've read it and it is far more poignant than the Christians bible by pulling out those teachings of a great prophet and not hiding them in the trappings of extras and inconsistencies.

I liked that Jefferson translated the book into many languages and used it as a teaching primer for his children to think about moral dilemmas and to learn foreign languages. Ever the prudent man.
08:20 AM on 12/17/2011
christianity is nothing more than a missmash of older religions. i wish christians would at least attempt to educate themselves about what they believe:

http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=1643965&pageno=3


For three hundred years now, the Christian astronomer has known that his Diety didn't make the stars in those tremendous six days; but the Christian astronomer doesn't enlarge upon that detail. Neither does the priest.
Samuel Clemens- Letters from the Earth
02:46 AM on 12/18/2011
freethinker - your link dates back to the 19th century. There are not any scholars today (that I am aware of) that hold to this viewpoint. If so, I'd be curious to see their research. And your Clemens quote is (besides being amusing) an opinion from a 19th century work of fiction.
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02:01 PM on 12/18/2011
Bernard McGinn (born 1937) is a theologian, historian, and scholar of spirituality, affiliated with the University of Chicago, where he is Naomi Shenstone Donnelley Professor Emeritus of Historical Theology and of the History of Christianity in the Divinity School and the Committees on Medieval Studies and on General Studies.

According to McGinn, "mythic patterns" such as "the primordial struggle between good and evil" appear in passages throughout the Hebrew Bible, including passages that describe historical events. Citing Paul Ricoeur, McGinn argues that a distinctive characteristic of the Hebrew Bible is its "reinterpretation of myth on the basis of history". As an example, McGinn cites the apocalyse in the Book of Daniel, which he sees as a record of historical events presented as a prophecy of future events and expressed in terms of "mythic structures", with "the Hellenistic kingdom figured as a terrifying monster that cannot but recall the Near Eastern pagan myth of the dragon of chaos".
01:55 PM on 12/19/2011
agree
02:59 AM on 12/17/2011
One must be careful not to assume that if a person does not believe in Christ's divinity, therefore they don't believe in God either. The country's founders did indeed believe in God, they just weren't interested in hammering everyone into one way of worshipping him (or not) and they were extremely fearful of using 'faith' as a contractual government- 'belief' is your personal/community business. I believe that's called liberty.
07:15 AM on 12/17/2011
Agree with. Thomas Jefferson was an educated man, who studied, read Historical books and sought truth, could read many languages, who looked not just within the Bible either, but outside the Bible in Historical Facts written also of past History of people and Nations, their roots from which they came, their own religions, pagan and other wise etc . Must of found something others have yet to find out? Does not mean Thomas J did not believe there was not a creator of all. Thomas J believed no man should be forced to give account of his or her own personal beliefs or faith. That freedom belongs to all and is accountable to no one.
10:28 AM on 12/17/2011
Many did not believe in a personal god, but simply a god process. Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine did not believe in a personal god. Benjamin Franklin was an outright atheist.
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07:11 PM on 12/17/2011
You should get your facts right. Ben Franklin; http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdd6YLu1O3G4ATzZXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTByamR1NnFoBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNgRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkAw--/SIG=137if2tki/EXP=1324195608/**http%3a//www.partyof1776.net/p1776/fathers/Franklin%2520Benjamin/quotes/contents.html
02:58 AM on 12/18/2011
Sorry, Lucy, Franklin never considered himself an Atheist. He was a self-proclaimed deist with a very high regard for the creator. In his autobiography he wrote plainly about his religious views -

"I never doubted, for instance, the existence of the Deity; that He made the world and governed it by His Providence; that the most acceptable service of God was the doing good to man; that our souls are immortal; and that all crime will be punished and virtue rewarded, either here or hereafter..." 1789
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11:59 PM on 12/16/2011
If an atheist is one who rejects all the bible miracles including the virgin birth and the resurrection, then Jefferson was truly non Christian. If Jefferson believed Jesus was merely a mortal man and not the son of God, he fails all claims that he was really a Christian. True, he never claimed to be an atheist, but that was for political purposes. As I said before, if you read all of his writings and quotes, you will believe he most likely was a closeted atheist, with no belief in anything supernatural. The Jefferson bible, written after the urging of Adams, is all you need for evidence. Just imagine how the Republicans and Conservatives would crucify the man today.
07:44 AM on 12/17/2011
Does not mean Jefferson was non Christian at all if he did not believe in miracles or virgin births for even in passed religious History, which some till this day still hold as their own faith. In Egypt ancient religions, all Historical facts written, documented, their gods, human beings, Kings etc and some made of stone, many still standing, now in musceums to gaze upon and by great Historians, pagans had their divine gods also, worshiping as being immortal also, pagans had their virgin births? their savior? who worked miracles? walk on water? spoke also of purgatory? had their own Trinity also etc etc. Does one call their Egyptian religions their gods, their saviors, that also of being immortal also, they worshiped, so is one willing to accept their gods or are they just a myth then? And existed a 1,0000 years before Christ.
Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
08:51 AM on 12/17/2011
Somebody can be christian but not believe that Christ was the immortal son of god. They can believe in his teachings.

You can believe what you want, but nobody needs your validation to call themselves christian.

We call that freedom of religion in America.
09:16 AM on 12/17/2011
agree. I Am the Lord Thy Yah and there is no other Yah before Me. Yah sent many messiahs that came before Jesus, which means an anointed one with oil. Messiah does not mean Savior. And also one who is called divine in ancient times of faith, were also known by those in the community, as one who was giving the Divine gift of understanding of Yah's Word, to speak and give to all. Those who have ears, let them hear, Jesus also said. Not physical ears, but divine spiritual ears in understanding the Word of Yah. Yah was not kidding when He said the gate is narrow. Jefferson believed in Yah but did not accept the miracles virgin birth or that Jesus was immoral. Pagans as recorded in History books by Historical scholars, had their immortal gods also, of flesh, sun god worshipers, their Kings who called them self gods, and their own children were called sons of god Love all.
09:50 AM on 12/17/2011
Opinion only. One can say they believe in God, but what is their God Name that they worship? There are many gods in this world. God, Lord are only titles, not names, which the pagans gave the name of the ones they worshiped calling them gods. What is the name of the Creator of all? One who said, there is no other Name under the Heavens as powerful as? What is His Name? Names are very important to Yah, ones Name has meaning, ones name defines their mission also given. YaHshuah said: I come in My Fathers Name. Ask in His Name and it shall be giving onto you. St John mentions this in many of his verses, He was given power because of His Name. Chapter 17 John, verse 6- I revealed your Name, to those whom you gave me out of the World. 26-I made known to them your name and I will make it known, that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in them. We are all called sons or daughters of man, sons or daughters of Yah. Yahshuah tried to teach us, in knowing who we already are.Was all about becoming Righteous, obey the Laws that can only make us all Righteous, One with Yah. Yah of Righteousness. We all become One with Yah when we too become Righteous. Why Yahshuah said. My Father never leaves me, for I do all that is pleasing (Righteous) to Yah.
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if we don't who will
08:17 PM on 12/16/2011
He was a man of religeous freedoms. And he used them.
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It is a DOOZY
08:49 PM on 12/16/2011
He was the man of Freedom and Liberty, Unalienable rights to Life, Libery and the Pursuit of Happiness

Life - NO one has the right to DENY LIFE to anyone
Liberty - No one has the right to DENY LIBERTY to anyone
HAPPINESS- No one has the right to DENY HAPPINESS to anyone

Punishment for any that did or do. Pick up Arms and free yourself
09:08 PM on 12/16/2011
Exactly Bill Duckworth, well said! That's why we can't deny liberty and happiness to homosexuals, let 'em marry, who cares, this is America! And punishment for those who do so!
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if we don't who will
09:11 PM on 12/16/2011
Thank you for your comment isn't it wonderful we are all protected by those words,thanks to our laws and enforcement we on longer have to bare arms against our fellow brothers.
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Bill Duckworth
It is a DOOZY
07:33 PM on 12/16/2011
In 1781, Thomas Jefferson, the author of the Declaration of Independence and later the Nation’s third President, in his work titled ‘Notes on the State of Virginia’ wrote:

"‘God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God. That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever.’"

But these modern time seem to think they have a right to SAY what they want to get what they want. DARK AGES and DARK SIDE. I am getting tired of these Crusades and ripping off the Fruit of Labor. Now our idols for freedom and human rights

Community Organization and secular is Sicko
08:34 PM on 12/16/2011
I did not understand last paragraph. ''Crusades''? You mean invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan using up taxes?

Community organisation is sicko? The United sates is a community organisation, isn't it? One people? That is community, is it not?
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It is a DOOZY
09:00 AM on 12/17/2011
Middle East is the Western Invasion of the Middle East, Yes. Israel as well. Wester stronghold BASED on RELIGIOUS fundementalism

The Declaration of Independence and Constitution of the United States of America is the preservation of Indiviual Right with in the Majority Rule. Unfortunately, the last two Presidents have DOMETICALLY ATTACK these individual rights. With droning, unprovoked war, occupation, denial of Habias Corpus, Due Process and Execution without a trial. Assuming POWER that did not exist by saying foreign Land and over Seas and are now protecting their wrong actions with Perinant Detention Laws.

GROUP or COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION is fine for insurance, investing, etc. to take advantage of NUMBERS, but using it as a SECULAR worship is the over throw of AMERICA for WHICH IT STANDS
Olethea
Life may be sweeter for this- I don't know.
08:54 AM on 12/17/2011
Just so you know, that quote is invalid. There are several versions of it floating around the internet, but there are no actual records of Thomas Jefferson saying it at a prayer breakfast or anywhere else.

Just FYI.
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It is a DOOZY
09:14 AM on 12/17/2011
CHISTLED in STONE in the Jefferson MEMORIAL.

Inscription under the Dome
"...I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, September 23, 1800[1]

Panel One
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,." - The Declaration of Independence[2]

Panel Two
"Almighty God hath created the mind free. All attempts to influence it by temporal punishments or burthens...are a departure from the plan of the Holy Author of our religion...

Original Passage
"Well aware that the opinions and belief of men depend not on their own will, but follow involuntarily the evidence proposed to their minds; that Almighty God hath created the mind free, and manifested his supreme will that free it shall remain by making it altogether insusceptible of restraint; that all attempts to influence it by temporal punishments, or burthens, or by civil incapacitations, tend only to beget habits of hypocrisy and meanness, and are a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion..." - "A Bill for Establishing Religious Freedom", Section I[3]

Panel Three
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?
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05:36 PM on 12/16/2011
"... one integrated narrative of Jesus' life -- minus the miracles and supernatural events." In essence removing all the superstitious nonsense unworthy of a human being, including the Pauline texts which are just insertions of the priest caste for the purpose of empowering the priest case.
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It is a DOOZY
08:53 PM on 12/16/2011
Pauline smaline. Read and weep. Time to quit interpreting that path of a snail. It is just the path of a snail and no significance to Life, Liberty or Happiness under GOD with UNALIENABLE Rights.

I know Obama can say I am against Bush Tax Cuts and then EXTEND them. But he has NO CONFICTION, no value no ideals. I suspect he is not LEARNED

Else he would have SAID: i love Reverend Right and I know what he said about Killing Japanese to test a Nuke Bomb. Instead he moved RIGHT which was WRONG
10:48 AM on 12/17/2011
Politics in our country is separated government and the Congress includes the House and Senate. If the legislation doesn't make it through the House and Senate, it doesn't get to the President to sign or veto. It doesn't get there at all in any good form or time period. A bill is a compromise and always has things distasteful vs those that are less so for both parties in the House and in the Senate. Go back and look at that end of year bill and see what actually was passed in it. You might learn something very important about politics.

In our country, in this economic troubles, the Republicans have forfeated their responsibility to do anything. Keeping the tax cuts for the middle class and poor means preventing raising taxes for most working americans. Stimulus or anti-stimulus happens around this. This is why the lower payroll tax is so important right now. A further one is important to continue money turnover on a large scale everywhere in the country. Putting money in the hands of those that will spend and spend it now. The other items in the bill included...
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02:14 PM on 12/18/2011
How did we go from Jefferson's bible to Obama bashing?