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Himalayas Glacial Lakes Drain And Refill As Ice Melts (VIDEOS)

  First Posted: 12/18/11 08:52 PM ET Updated: 12/19/11 04:10 PM ET

By Mark Fischetti
(Click here for original article.)

Himalayan glaciers are melting and retreating at their edges because of global warming. But they also conceal a more ominous effect of climate change: they are deflating. They are losing internal ice mass to melting, which can substantially hasten their disappearance. Scientists have recently captured real-time video showing a glacier purging its own meltwater, and at rates far faster than the experts had imagined.

To obtain the video, Ulyana Horodyskyj, a geologist at the University of Colorado at Boulder, climbed to 5,000 meters on the Ngozumpa Glacier in Nepal.

She embedded time-lapse video cameras in the scree-covered ice peaks, which filmed interior glacial lakes every hour for two weeks. Scientists had surmised that such lakes slowly fill over time with water from surface melt, but Horodyskyj's videos show that the lakes can empty in just two days and then refill in less than a week, and repeat the cycle again and again, flushing out large volumes of melted ice through interior channels that eventually lead down into underlying rock or out to the glacier's edges. The regular purging indicates that far more ice is melting than previous thought. In one instance Horodyskyj scrambled down to a lake after it emptied to inspect the white ice walls that had been exposed below the high-water line. The lake would soon fill in.

Horodyskyj's video of the rapid draining and refilling can be seen below. (Scientific American slowed down the time-lapse video to improve viewing.) Keep an eye on the right side of the lake.


The rise and fall of water in glacial lakes can also aggravate calving -- the sudden collapse of ice walls alongside the water. Horodyskyj caught one collapse in a video at a different lake [below]. Watch the wall at the center, back shore.


Deflation may cause glaciers to disappear faster than the melting that occurs at their edges. "South American and Himalayan glaciers are losing ice the most rapidly, but most of it is from vertical deflation," says Horodyskyj, who reported some of her findings at the recent American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco. Certain glaciers on the north side of Mount Everest, for example, have lost 100 meters in height over the past century, she says.

Videos courtesy of University of Colorado.

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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
07:32 AM on 12/31/2011
My memories of past New Years Eve are all of frigid and snowy days. Today it is raining, the temp is above freezing, and the sun hasn't risen yet [ figure of speech.. you know what I mean...we haven't rotated towards the sun yet..]

This can't possibly be related to global warming however because all my denialist friendos tell me it is not.

That is so reassuring.....not.
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pa30
All things bright and beautiful
12:04 PM on 12/20/2011
Climate change is happening,and I have yet to see any real recomendations to stop it.Canada just quit the Keoto Accords,and Russia is being very aggresive on Arctic mineral/oil exploration and developement.
09:43 PM on 12/26/2011
Climate chnage cannot be "stopped." It is a natural phenomenon that has continued apace for millennia.

It is only human egothat thinks that natural processes can be "stopped."
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
11:42 PM on 12/26/2011
Foolish boy. The effects of man can be seen from space. We can see the effects of our exhaust in city air. Even you have have seen this, Lewis. There was a serious air pollution problem in Beijing for their olympics. The problem is quite real. The deniers have yet to get their minds around it.
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pa30
All things bright and beautiful
06:59 AM on 12/27/2011
agreed
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
11:39 AM on 12/20/2011
The way deniers' minds work:

1. It's not real and the scientists are lying.
2. It's totally due to natural causes, so why should we try to stop it?
3. There's nothing we can do to stop it.
4. [Calling 911] "FEMA's gotta help me! The water is up to the second floor of my house, and this is the 4th hurricane we've seen this week!! Help!!!"
09:46 PM on 12/26/2011
No one says climate change is not real. Climate changes with or without human intervention. It is not that we should not try to stop it, we CAN'T stop one of the basic processes on Earth.

We can, however, learn more about the natural process of climate change so we can understand fully how human activity affects it.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
10:42 AM on 12/27/2011
Reality has a well-known scientific bias.

U.S. National Academy of Sciences, 2010:
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Human activities are influencing climate. As discussed in the following chapters, scientific evidence that the Earth is warming is now overwhelming. There is also a multitude of evidence that this warming results primarily from human activities, especially burning fossil fuels and other activities that release heat-trapping greenhouse gases (GHGs) into the atmosphere. Projections of future climate change indicate that Earth will continue to warm unless significant and sustained actions are taken to limit emissions of GHGs.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:31 PM on 12/30/2011
There were those who said a river could not be dammed. Nor that we could hold back the sea. Some said we would never fly. Others said we wouldn't make the moon.

Some said the seas were limitless, and that we couldn't fish them out...

Others said that the passenger pigeon was so plentiful that it would never run out...

And perhaps the single most glaring error in your assertion?

If we detonated even a fraction of our nukes, it would RADICALLY alter most, if not all of the earth's natural processes for millenia, perhaps aeons.

Your statement is absurd.
10:25 AM on 12/20/2011
I think we've passed the tipping point, so I don't worry about it much anymore.

(I don't have kids either, which helps me not care.)

Anyway, it is fascinating watching this happen more and more every year.
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RagdeSitum
Southern Strategy 1965-2012 RIP
12:54 PM on 12/20/2011
Same here. I wish the effects become so severe in my lifetime that baggers choke on it.
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JPETERB
03:09 AM on 12/21/2011
You do not care about any child unless it was yours by birth? How about their (and your) planet? It is a depressing disease, our collective human ignorance and isolated avarice, but the patient not inoperable yet. We may have passed the tipping point with nihilistic suicidal capital-addled business culture long before the carbon balance will be rendered beyond active human reduction. This can be done by concerted and sane moral human agency, diverting public resources from destructive weapons to constructive environmental restoration and rational public/global clean energy policy. Just my opinion. Most people do have children.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:32 PM on 12/30/2011
The poster said "helps"...
10:19 AM on 12/20/2011
The methane bubbles coming out of the northern seas are a more impressive sign of climate change, and much more of a problem.
09:46 PM on 12/26/2011
HOw long has methane been bubbling from teh northern seas? No one knows.
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jimboy71
Hen Diapheron Heautoi
03:33 PM on 12/30/2011
You're an anthropologist. Ask the innu. They find it alarming, according to my sources. That means at least 17,000 years of no methane.

Or are you a cultural imperalist who studies the material remains of cultures while simultaneously denying the validity of their oral heritage?
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
12:03 AM on 12/27/2011
The methane is a concern. Right now, all the emitted CO2 is a huge problem. Methane will become a greater problem down the road.
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cheechazteca
Thank you very much!
10:18 AM on 12/20/2011
climate change is noticeable to anyone over 12 years old. Even if you don't believe the data on global warming.
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StephenBP
What's he building in there?
09:34 AM on 12/20/2011
One concern I have if all this global warming stuff actually gets out is that the fossil fuel industry might we forced to downsize, and what are we going to do with all the unemployed oil executives then ? The tobacco industry certainly doesn't need them.

I think that we should get them to train their replacements, like big corporations have people do when they off shore their jobs, except for the fact they typically don't have any non-criminal skills.

Anyway, it is going to be a big time economic and cultural let down when the head petro-weasels are forced to assume life styles more commensurate with their value to humanity. Maybe they should start reading "Zippy the Pinhead" so they can start getting a clue in preparation.
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silverwolf13
I know that I do not know.
07:30 PM on 12/26/2011
Those execs will do just fine, because they will buy up all the renewable power systems.
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JPETERB
08:13 AM on 12/20/2011
The private fossil fuel industry has no effect on public national and civil energy policy, like fossil fuel carbon is having no effect on the Earth's climate.
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
10:19 AM on 12/20/2011
" like fossil fuel carbon is having no effect on the Earth's climate. "

You should write a paper on that, get it published, and pick up your Nobel Prize. Science will be stunned and amazed at your explanation of how adding a trillion tons of heat-trapping gas to the atmosphere isn't going to trap more heat.

Can't wait!
10:28 AM on 12/20/2011
The "peer review" process for him would be showing his chicken-scratched spiral notebook to other du.m.b hi.ll.bi.lli.es.
10:35 AM on 12/20/2011
Ah, nevermind.

He was just snarking.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
10:37 AM on 12/20/2011
Yawn.

U.S. National Academy of Sciences:

There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring... It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities. This warming has already led to changes in the Earth's climate...

The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action.

http://www.nationalacademies.org/onpi/06072005.pdf
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JPETERB
01:53 AM on 12/21/2011
It was satire? Yeah, it was satire. We are lovers of natural history and are happy to have lived to see our lovely beneficent Earth before the mass extinction that signals the start of the (almost certain to be fearfully geologically short) Anthropomorphic Era. National Geographic magazine recently did a short article on the fact of our demented and self destructive plight and the scientific assessment that humans are causing the 6th mass extinction as I write. Runaway fossil fueled climate change will likely cinch the epic catastrophe. As Alfred E. Neuman, of MAD magazine once was made to appear to say, "What? Me worry?"

Mass Extinction Underway | Biodiversity Crisis | Global Species Loss
www.well.com/~davidu/extinction.html
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Earth Faces Sixth Mass Extinction (New Scientist-- 2004) · THE SIXTH EXTINCTION by Richard Leakey · The Sixth Extinction (National Geographic Magazine) ... Mass Extinction Pace Quickening: Red List 2000 Released (N.Y. Times) ...
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Ssufyerd Kaz
11:53 PM on 12/19/2011
Couldn't watch video because of super long commercial.
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realpolitic
Proud member of the reality-based community!
11:01 PM on 12/19/2011
This rapid melting can likely wipe out entire towns and villages that lay below and mud slides when it warms adds to the danger. What will millions around the world who rely on the seasonal melting of mountain glaciers for fresh water do without the annual replenishment of the supply of fresh water? A warming world will be a dangerous world of water and food shocks that causes the displacement of hundreds of thousands.
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Cayce58
09:48 PM on 12/19/2011
Why are we talking about a temperature cycle that ended in 1998. 1998 wasn't the warmest year in weather history, 2005 was. 9 of the 10 hottest years have occurred since 1998.. That is the significant fact and the significant trend. Its accelerating as the oceans warm.
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10:21 AM on 12/20/2011
Conservatives like to start at the outlier warm year, because then they can make the numbers look like it's actually cooling.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
08:51 PM on 12/19/2011
U.S. National Academy of Sciences (2010):
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Human activities are influencing climate. As discussed in the following chapters, scientific evidence that the Earth is warming is now overwhelming. There is also a multitude of evidence that this warming results primarily from human activities, especially burning fossil fuels and other activities that release heat-trapping greenhouse gases (GHGs) into the atmosphere. Projections of future climate change indicate that Earth will continue to warm unless significant and sustained actions are taken to limit emissions of GHGs.

Increasing temperatures and GHG concentrations are driving a multitude of related and interacting changes in the Earth system, including decreases in the amounts of ice stored in mountain glaciers and polar regions, increases in sea level, changes in ocean chemistry, and changes in the frequency and intensity of heat waves, precipitation events, and droughts. These changes in turn pose significant risks to both human and ecological systems. Although the details of how the future impacts of climate change will unfold are not as well understood as the basic causes and mechanisms of climate change, we can reasonably expect that the consequences of climate change will be more severe if actions are not taken to limit its magnitude and adapt to its impacts.

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=12782
FreeHat
Really?
05:26 PM on 12/19/2011
By how much are the Himalayan glaciers receding? What percentage of them and how fast? This kind of data imo would be obvious to put into an article like this. Instead we are supposed to believe in good faith that this is so. With most of the warming occurring at the poles and with a global temperature anomaly of .2 of C. I can't simply take somebody's word for it that these glaciers are melting beyond their norm.
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05:45 PM on 12/19/2011
What is the probability that so many of the world's glaciers are all retreating at this particular time without a driver like climate change? Add to that the probabilities that so many ecological indicators point to the same thing. Then consider the timing of those trends as they relate to the industrial revolution. The convergence of so many indicators is simply too significant to dismiss.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
11:33 PM on 12/19/2011
Netdr: "There is little doubt that the temperatur­e warmed from 1978 to 1998 !
There is also little doubt that since then it hasn't warmed ."

Q. Why can't science deniers understand the very simple concept of short-term variation in a long-term trend?

A. Because they are science deniers, of course.

http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/SkepticsvRealistsv3.gif
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Roshi98
Dum spiro, spero
06:49 PM on 12/19/2011
I guess you could bother to read a few of the hundreds of scientific studies on the matter rather than spout first, think later.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
08:26 PM on 12/19/2011
No, he apparently can't.
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Left of Right
Want to default your country? Default your job!
01:20 PM on 12/19/2011
Unless we get rid of right-wing media, I don't see anything can change. The rest of the world is working furiously to slow all of this down, but we are the largest users of energy and the largest offenders.

Sure, our oil and coal industries are behind putting legislators and legislation in place to keep our current policies--and if they continue to win, they will continue to roll back regulations--but it is the voter who could change all of this and they rely on misinformation and lies to form their opinions.
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CesarMilan
Buy ammo...the new gold
01:39 PM on 12/19/2011
How should we get rid of "right wing media"?
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
03:50 PM on 12/19/2011
Ask them to stop lying?

If they couldn't do that, most of them would be bankrupt in a week.
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03:58 PM on 12/19/2011
By demonstrating that it promotes socio-pathology and that it's appeal is to people who resent intelligence.
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cempiremtn
11:46 AM on 12/19/2011
Why was Greenland, once green?
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chrisd3
Excelsior!
01:20 PM on 12/19/2011
It wasn't. Greenland has never been green in human history. Much of the ice in Greenland is hundreds of thousands of years old.
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Publicola
Reality has a scientific bias
01:49 PM on 12/19/2011
You're right, you know.

Even when the people who named it 'Greenland' -- the Vikings -- lived there Greenland was so cold and almost entirely covered with ice the Vikings could only establish two permanent settlements there. Both of those settlements were relatively protected from the ice because they were deep within fiords, and they were so small in sustainable settlement area that they never held more than 5,000 people between them.

Q. Why do science deniers relentlessly ask deeply misleading and often patently false questions?

A. Because they are science deniers, of course.
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Cayce58
09:34 PM on 12/19/2011
It was settled in a short warm period. When the little ice age began, the settlements died.. Greenland is a sales name. The vikes named it to convince settlers to go there.
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gallon
Those who fail to remember history are, um
01:24 PM on 12/19/2011
Only the southern fringes, only during a brief summer season. Do some homework.