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Rick Snyder Signs Domestic Partner Benefits Ban For Michigan Public Employees

Michigan Domestic Partner Benefits Ban

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 12/22/11 04:04 PM ET Updated: 12/22/11 05:44 PM ET

Gov. Rick Snyder signed legislation Thursday banning domestic partner benefits for state employees. Snyder, however, vetoed a portion of the legislation that would have affected public university employees.

A 2004 amendment to the state Constitution prohibits marriage for same-sex couples in Michigan. Until now, state employees enjoyed domestic partner benefits only since January of this year.

Three local school districts, and five city and county governments, including the City of Detroit, also provide domestic partner benefits for public employees.

The Republican-dominated state legislature passed the package of legislation banning domestic partner benefits earlier this month, with the majority of Democrats voting in opposition.

There had been special concern that the portion of the bills affecting public university employees would be found unconstitutional. Under Michigan's state constitution, public colleges and universities are self-governing and can set their own rules.

The state Senate attempted to address this concern it its version of the bills, but GOP House lawmakers said the Senate amendment exempting public colleges and universities from the ban was irrelevant. House Republicans said their version of the bills defined "public employees" through the Public Employees Relations Act (PERA), which includes employees of universities, MIRS reported.

Snyder on Thursday signed H.B. 4770 but vetoed H.B. 4771, the bill that would have amended PERA to include public university employees in the domestic partner benefits ban.

Several universities, including the University of Michigan, have been outspoken about opposing the ban.

The University of Michigan argued that if passed, the ban would precipitate a brain drain from the state's academic community. Seven professors wrote a letter to Synder urging him to veto the portion of the bills that would affect universities.

Proponents of the legislation said it would save the state $8 million per year. But critics said a ban would have a broader negative impact on Michigan's economy. During House testimony on the bills, Jay Kaplan, a staff attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union, said the legislation might cost the state more money in related court costs.

"The governor and legislature have been working hard to address the spiraling costs of health care and other post-retirement benefits over the past year," the governor's office said in a statement. "This is a continuation of those fiscal measures."

Snyder, who is in his first term as Michigan governor, had previously said social issues were not on his agenda.

UPDATE 4:30 p.m. -- Click On Detroit reports the Michigan chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union will challenge the new law.

UPDATE 5:40 p.m. -- Equality Michigan, the state's largest LGBT rights organization released a statement condemning Snyder late Thursday afternoon.

"Governor Snyder’s support for this bill is appalling," said Emily Dievendorf, the group's policy director. "Today, the Governor told unmarried public employees that they can no longer care for their partners or children."

She added that Equality Michigan considers Snyder's claims of fiscal responsibility to be false. "He has spent the last two years talking about creating a welcoming state with a attractive business climate, and this bill flies in the face of those goals," she said.

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Soulmentor
"To thine own self be true...."
05:04 PM on 12/31/2011
The more-fundamentalist "christians" are witlessly setting themselves up for the persecution they fear if they don't adjust to realities and constitutional laws and their own Christian principles, and the more they suffer, the more they will believe what they think. Their downward spiral has already begun and their fear is becoming manifest in their noisier prejudice.
03:44 PM on 12/27/2011
Why should anyone expect a benison from the government, why should anyone expect a coin from Caesar for getting married, for doing the right thing? Gay or straight, take away the $-factor and this whole argument becomes moot. Hey, government, butt out of our lives. Quit picking our pockets.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
09:26 PM on 12/31/2011
are you trying to type, "why should government wokres have pensions"? i work for the satte and I need my pension. you try doing my job, as an RN in a max security prison.
01:13 AM on 01/04/2012
I wrote 'benison', it's not a typo. Look it up. I said nothing about pensions.
10:44 AM on 04/24/2012
The point is, all people should share the same rights, not just straight ones.
03:03 PM on 12/27/2011
So basically, snyder says the public was tire of supporting 'roommates', but forces those who aren't 'married' to have no health care costs, but given that Michigan , in 2004 voted to make gay marriage legal what this does is deny health care to those who weren't illegible anyway due to a draconian law . What a bunch of hypcroites, robed in no doubt, 'christianity'. This is laughable.

I hope this move, doesn't force yet more gay individuals into commiting suicide, by giving the impression that society shuns them and sends the message that they are less than 'human'.

Way to go Michigan, I suppose this law is going to drive precious tourism AWAY from you,and good riddance if it does. You make a mockery out of christianity, which is one of the best defenders of the poor and those whom society deems as 'outsiders'. Jesus loved us all, and this goes to show, that the 'republican' party only wants to hate, not love, as Jesus demanded!
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:05 PM on 12/29/2011
No mockery of Christianity--quite the opposite. Standing up for Christianity, unless you can provide a Scriptural passage stating that homosexuality is pleasing to God....

I'D be far more inclined to go to MI or NC than NY, who kowtows.

Now you're assigning "hate" to this governor, who has said no such thing, the piece itself here betrays nothing like that, but, it does exist somewhere.....it has to......

If any homosexual commits suicide, on account of this, the Governor has 0 to do w/it. Something was denied to homosexuals. That's life. I sure don't get everything I want, when I want it.

Who has "deemed" homosexuals "outsiders"? When? Where? What would make them "outsiders"--HOW are they "outsiders" if indeed they are?

Name 1 person in the Republican party who has said, "I hate homosexuals." A YouTube link would be helpful--then I could hear it from the horse's mouth, rather than someone in the liberal media saying so.
12:13 AM on 12/30/2011
Laureen, this reply is almost not worthy of my response, because while you demand proof of hatred, you spew it yourself willingly in a public place. THe entire republican base , at least current contenders for president, are against gay rights , yet no one can provide proof of how its 'dangerous' to society, yet so many throw hate like its feathers in the wind, all while knowing the venom they spread. It wins the hearts of the 'right' wing fringe.

Anything that does not embrace love, its the reverse of its tenants, how is that not clear to you , unless you are trying your best to avoid my argument, which is that love is key, not hate. Maybe love for all, is too difficult a concept for some people ,and such OLD fashioned ideas of right vs wrong ? Jesus had a word for people like that, and many of such statements took place in the temple. You know, where he asked for mercy,not sacrifice. Same thing applies here.

Here are some links you may be unaware of.

http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm

http://www.apa.org/about/governance/council/policy/marriage.aspx

Jesus had a name for those who wear christianity around their necks like collars of obedience to oppress others...as I recall the word he used at the time, was vipers.

Fits today too.
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Atwill
Proud Father of a gay son.
09:27 PM on 12/31/2011
keep quite. women are not suppose to talk untill spoken to. It is in the Bible. look it up.
10:54 AM on 04/24/2012
I am already advocating that people should not spend their tourist dollars in Michigan. Look what Snyder did with Gateway. My life partner is working on becoming a minister and if the UMC does not change their "Book of discipline" at the conference this month we will be looking for a more accepting church. Jesus taught love not hate and bigotry.
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Jeffrey Marks
09:18 AM on 12/27/2011
Am I missing something or didn't this already get decided in Romer v Evans?
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Lachelle Wolfe
So proud to be a Democrat!
08:01 AM on 12/27/2011
Wasn't it republican's (Mitt to be exact) that said corporations are people too! Won't that lead to people marrying corporations? I know the republican's are already in bed with them, but now that they are considered a person they might get hitched. That would be very bad because then they wouldn't have to testify against each other!
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:07 PM on 12/29/2011
As if the Democratic Party isn't all about Big Government, Big Businesss, Big Labor, Big Spending, Big Taxes......

Yeah, right!
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Lachelle Wolfe
So proud to be a Democrat!
10:17 PM on 12/29/2011
ok tell me how the republican's are going to make government small!
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Carla Ownwomon
Proud bold progressive
05:29 PM on 12/31/2011
You seem to miss the point of almost every post you respond to. Is this intentional? It seems so, as your words do not argue the issue, but rather seek to twist it into something else (often the same "something else") over and over again. Instead of answering the question you have been asked, you go on the attack against something else, in this case, the entire Democratic party, when in fact, Lachelle was speaking specifically about Mitt Romney's claim that corporations are people. Then you drop the final hammer "yeah right" as though that is a fitting debate point. Epic fail.
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jonandian
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01:42 AM on 12/27/2011
How christian of him
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:11 PM on 12/29/2011
Actually, it is.

There is nothing in the Scriptures that asserts that homosexuality is acceptable in God's eyes. In fact, homosexuality is openly & unmistakably condemned in the Bible, several times over.

Should this governor put his stamp of approval on something that is absolutely taught in Scripture to be wrong in God's eyes?

What kind of Christian would he be if he were to approve of what the world seeks/wants, but the Bible condemns?
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jonandian
Small Business Owner RepubliCANT Debater
12:30 AM on 12/30/2011
the bible says love thy neighbor...it doesnt say love thy neighbor unless they are gay. there is no caveat to that.
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WheelsOnFire
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06:06 PM on 12/31/2011
jonandian posted several replies to you, but they were attached to my comments -- so you may miss getting notices about them. Thus, I'm now providing such notification.
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GoGrammie
Gay Advocate, Grandma, Space Geek
09:11 PM on 12/26/2011
Ho hum so what. Just another small minded big bellied loser republican governor. There are so many this year I can't keep count. And some how they all look alike.
01:43 AM on 12/27/2011
He still unfortunately has power.
11:03 AM on 04/24/2012
yes, and somehow we need to take it away from him before we end up like Gateway.
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:13 PM on 12/29/2011
Sorry to hear that you can't tell Rick Snyder from Rick Perry, from Nathan Deal, from Mitch Daniels.....

I can.
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Jerry Aripez
Retired Union Carpenter
02:29 PM on 12/25/2011
Time for this a_h_ole to go.....
10:22 AM on 12/25/2011
Oh and I forget to ask, what is your thoughts on Bigamy? Should 1 guy have 6 wives, if adults and all agree. Wow that would wreck the Domestic Partner Benefits Plan. Do they get their way? Why not?
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Terence Duke
Tea Pty Slogan:We Will SEE it When We BELIEVE It
02:21 AM on 12/26/2011
it was ok in the bible and since many of those who support these laws are such "religious" people then why not? But it should be for one spouse only. I think the spouses of fat people should pay more since it costs tax payers more from the unfair health costs that people who take care of themselves have to pay
05:56 AM on 12/26/2011
it was ok in the bible and since many of those who support these laws are such "religious " people then why not? But it should be for one spouse only.

Won't you violate the rights of other wives, according to you earlier manipulation of the Constitution?

I think the spouses of fat people should pay more since it costs tax payers more from the unfair health costs that people who take care of themselves have to pay

What about people with diseases? Or lets say a car crash? A skinny guy that has a stroke.. Or..... Why are you fining the SPOUSES of fat people? That's not fair, just fine the fat person, then McDonalds because the "FAT" person you talk of will blame McDonalds for their "FATNESS."
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:22 PM on 12/29/2011
You are off the mark on that....

Not by a long shot was everything you read in the Bible that people did meet with God's approval. He NEVER approved anything between men & women EXCEPT marriage between 1 MAN & 1 WOMAN. Bigamy/polygamy was NEVER his plan for man & woman, & NEVER met w/His approval, but people are wayward & do what they want, regardless of what God wants, Has been going on since man & woman were created.

Just because you read that people were doing this/that in Scripture, does NOT mean that God approved of it THEN, nor does He NOW. Homosexuality, idolatry, adultery, prostitution, dishonest weights & measures....& other behavior, all condemned by the Divine Master. He intended the relationship between man & woman as 1 man, & 1 woman--& that has never changed bcz HE is immutable--the same yesterday, today & tomorrow.
02:06 AM on 12/27/2011
No you did not forget that, you use bigamy as a defense in your agenda frequently. Yes they should if they are all consenting human adults! No it would not wreck the " Domestic Partner Benefits Plan. " Your true agenda is crystal clear, so stop attempting to cloud it!!
10:18 AM on 12/25/2011
Reading some posts I have to say that I haven't heard a good argument from the gay committee.. All I hear is name calling, Constitutional debates from non-scholars. I don't remember any mentioned
talk of gay & lesbians in the Constitution. And, in the 1700's does anyone think that being gay was accepted? Anywhere in the world? So, yes gays may win but It is the downfall of morals in the U.S.
Now before the "Redneck, religion (no I'm not religious) bigot, racist names start coming, my view is stop acting like crybabies and put together a real plan to your cause and stop crying like 5 year olds with the name calling ..... Oh, and Merry Christmas.
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03:38 PM on 12/25/2011
There was no talk of gay and lesbians, nor women if you want to get down to nitpicking details.

If you wish to talk downfall of morals, one need look no further than Newt Gingrich; having an affair while his wife was battling cancer. Be quite careful of casting stones and pointing fingers.
05:23 AM on 12/26/2011
True: No stones casting, and most if not all of our politicians fall into this group. I agree they have no morals, and these are the same people that are trying to re-define the Constitution and laws.. to fit their agenda and probably bribes, Agreed?
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:26 PM on 12/29/2011
Like Newt Gingrich is & always has been the sole adulterer in the world!

If he's taking on all the sins of the world in your book--he being responsible for the "downfall of morals" then shouldn't he have a markedly DIFFERENT name?
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Terence Duke
Tea Pty Slogan:We Will SEE it When We BELIEVE It
02:16 AM on 12/26/2011
I will not call you a name although there are several ones that would apply. But I would like to ask do you read english? Do you read it and if you disagree do the words magically change for you in your head to mean something else?
Women were not allow to vote or share in many of the privileges enjoyed by men The word WOMAN or SHE does not appear in the constitution.

'No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.'

Michigan along with many states are doing what the last line prohibits clearly. They are denying a protection within its jurisdiction of gays the equal protection of laws. The first line is clear: No state shall make or enforce any law abridge (limit) the.privileges ...the CITIZENS of the UNITED STATES. Recall the law that gives benefits to any spouse. let them get their own. But since the state gave these to some, the must be applied EQUALLY. As much as you may not like it gay people are CITIZENS This brilliant amendment has giving the due rights to many through out history since the 1700's and will do so again with gay people.
05:47 AM on 12/26/2011
Ok ,ok .. 1st you already failed. You can't discuss without the name calling and go right into insults .. Do you read English? Duh, lol ... So, you already fell into that group I already described. So, because I don't agree with you I'm a what? And you know what, I took and passed University level Constitution last year did you? Can you read? I bet I have a higher degree than you do to boot... If you have one .. lol. I can manipulate any law or statement to fit my personal agenda, does that make it right? Typical Liberal bs...
You do make a good point in the statement of women, So, if women were left out of the Constitution do you think the old boys were thinking about gays when this was written? This is the same cry and theory the Illegals use. So what do you feel about Bigamy? They can use the same approach you use. Also,"without due process of law." Many states have voted no to gay marriage, but the vote is not accepted and always challenged. As a matter of fact Ca. voted twice, not once, but 2 times on marriage and both times the voters decided that yes, MARRIAGE is between a man & a woman, but guess what, I read it was turned down by a GAY judge. You've had due process and you even cheated at that .....
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:32 PM on 12/29/2011
Sorry, but people classified on account of skin color & gender are acknowledged segments of the population.

There is no suck acknowledgement of people based on sexual orientation. And, maybe that's bcz someone's race or gender is an inborn, genetic trait, something one can't change & was born with, unlike sexual orientation--not inborn, can be changed.

Yes. It has, & it does, happen--homosexual today, heterosexual tomorrow.
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rayano 86
08:47 PM on 12/24/2011
I've an idea to help them make some money. Any heterosexual couple that violates their marriage or divorces( you get a pass if the relationship is abusive or children are somehow harmed by one parent due to the union) should have to pay back all benefits recieved.. Michigan would be the first and if successful role it out to the rest of the US could follow suit. America would be rich again.

I am kidding of course.
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Jeffrey Marks
09:21 AM on 12/27/2011
why kid? Newt would owe a fortune..
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Ed whowannaknow
Keep your panties on
04:59 PM on 12/24/2011
So let me get this right: America is the home of the free. Americans have bled and died all over the world to protect out freedom. Individual choice is the most important thing. Church and state are constitutionally seperated. Yet.....some individuals can be told "you cant do what others do!" "Your not equal to the rest of us in this land of equality". How can some people blather on about being free, as they activly seek to keep some less free and equal then themself? Height of hypocrasy and self serving self righteous greed.
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:36 PM on 12/29/2011
Not so.

Homosexuality is not an inborn trait, like skin color, gender, eye shape, hair texture.....

I would not like the government to ever acknowledge homosexuals on the same basis that it acknowledges people on the basis of gender, age, race, ethnicity.
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Carla Ownwomon
Proud bold progressive
05:54 PM on 12/31/2011
Kindly provide documentation that proves homosexuality is not an inborn trait. And I don't mean some self promoting clown on You-Tube kind of "documentation." Science has indicated that homosexuality may indeed be an inborn trait. Or does your religious dogma reject science too?
11:14 AM on 04/24/2012
so now you are an expert in genetics!
03:13 PM on 12/24/2011
If this kind of thing keeps happening around here, and it does become a "brain drain", Michigan will suffer ten-fold.

Michigan isn't in a good position. We have a shortage of trained, skilled workers here, and what do you think this will do for the college graduates? It will make their decision easier to leave this state with their families.

As it is, Michigan was the only state in the 2010 census to LOSE population. If the college graduates decide to leave because there are no jobs and no opportunities, this state is royally screwed. You're left with a bunch of unskilled people who are only able to work in fast-food or retail, and it would be a shame to see how far this state has fallen.
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LaureenMillarHolt
TheConservativeCurmudgeon can cure your liberalism
09:38 PM on 12/29/2011
If what you're saying is true, it has nothing to do with homosexuality.

People aren't leaving, if they are, on account of this governor's decision to sign that bill.
11:17 AM on 04/24/2012
Think about that when you go to the doctor, the ER or a dentist as well as a lawyer. Gay people hold some pretty important jobs and should we choose to discriminate like you, you may not get the health care you want or the representation in court. I will pray for your blackened soul
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John C75
A touch of Socialism makes Capitalism thrive.
03:12 PM on 12/24/2011
If we are in a Theocracy then the bible definition of marriage can stand. If we are in a FREE Democracy with a constitution that separates church from state then the bible definition of marriage HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE LAW.
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Ed whowannaknow
Keep your panties on
04:31 PM on 12/24/2011
Unfortunately the bible thumpers are a powerfull force, and THEY would like to see a theocracy
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Jerry Aripez
Retired Union Carpenter
02:31 PM on 12/25/2011
I hope they all get it where the sun don't shine...
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Carla Ownwomon
Proud bold progressive
07:29 PM on 12/31/2011
True that.
07:46 PM on 12/27/2011
Not quiet, if you consider that 'enuch's in the bible, has been argued to refer to gay individuals.

http://www.well.com/user/aquarius/thesis.htm

You can read that website and decide for yourself, but it makes a convincing case I think.

We know one thing,,,Jesus was the champion of the oppressed , so it makes a lot of sense.
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John C75
A touch of Socialism makes Capitalism thrive.
03:11 PM on 12/24/2011
If you are truly sick of government waste at all levels. Vote out EVERY politician who has been voting or bills that are clearly unconstitutional. This is just a waste of state tax dollars. I live in SC and a federal judge just rejected both our voter Id law and our immigration law. I am not a legal expert but I know enough about the constitution to know that both of these laws were illegal. Yet all of the very ignorant conservatives don't seem to have an issue blowing money on laws that are unconstitutional.