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Global Economy 2012: 'A Tale Of Two Worlds'

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First Posted: 12/24/2011 9:52 am Updated: 12/24/2011 9:52 am

LONDON (Reuters) - Europe faces another year of dismal economic performance in 2012 that will weigh on global growth, but emerging markets and the United States should at least keep the world economy moving in the right direction.

There are several reasons why next year may be nothing to look forward to, according to Reuters polls from the last few months.

Many of the world's biggest developed economies are heading into recession, global stock markets look set to recoup only a fraction of their heavy losses in 2011, oil prices will head lower, and asset managers are unsure where best to invest.

And these could be the best-case scenarios.

Most economists base their assumptions on the hope that the euro zone's sovereign debt crisis will not boil over into a new global economic crisis, having already dented growth in major exporters to Europe.

Still, most of the major emerging market economies like Brazil and China should pick up speed later next year. All of them have suffered from slowing economies in recent months, caused mainly by tightening monetary policy in the face of high inflation.

"It's important to stress the world economy is still growing. But it's a tale of two worlds," said Gerard Lyons, chief economist at Standard Chartered Bank.

"The storyline for 2012 is that Europe drags the world down in the first half of the year, and China drags it up in the second half of the year."

Enormous political risks cloud the outlook further, with elections and leadership changes in the most powerful countries and the prospect of continuing turmoil in the Middle East.

Still, there are glimmers of hope. The United States' economy has performed better than most had hoped over the last quarter, and Reuters' polls of economists show it growing around 2.2 percent in 2012, compared with zero growth in the euro zone.

"The big unknown in Europe and the U.S. is that big companies, with balance sheets in good shape, have the ability to invest at home if they want. It's more likely that will take place in the U.S. rather than Europe," said Lyons.

THE EURO ZONE QUESTION

European Union leaders took a historic step towards greater fiscal integration earlier in December, but economists have been clear that this would not ease a debt crisis entering its third year and still hogging the headlines in 2012.

Reuters polls show real concern that leaders are doing far too little to stimulate growth, with the likes of Spain and Italy destined for long and painful recessions.

The euro zone as a whole, meanwhile, is probably in a moderate recession right now that will last midway into 2012.

"The euro area continues to be a source of economic and financial instability for the rest of the world," said Juan Perez-Campanero, economist at Santander, in a research note.

"We could be facing a more permanent and lasting decline in growth capacity in developed economies and, particularly, the euro area."

Whether Spain and Italy will need to seek funding from the euro zone's bailout facility next year is open to question, with a very slim majority of economists polled this month - 27 out of 56 - saying not.

And a November survey of 20 top economists and former policymakers in academia and respected research institutes showed 14 of them do not expect the euro zone to survive in its current form.

Even in Japan, where economists have downgraded growth forecasts relentlessly, the economy is expected to pick up in the fiscal year from April and expand 1.8 percent. Japan should narrowly avoid a recession, but polls show little hope it will emerge from deflation any time soon.

ASSESSING THE ASSETS

The severe uncertainty surrounding 2012 is perhaps best reflected by Reuters' asset allocation poll of more than 50 leading investment houses in the United States, Europe and Japan.

Investors raised their cash balance to the highest in a year in December as they prepared for a jittery 2012, although they also moved back into cheap equities, Reuters polls showed on Monday.

The euro zone crisis was the key concern of asset managers polled, hence the increased preference for cash as well as moves into British and Asian shares rather than European ones.

Similarly, the last quarterly stock markets poll suggested emerging markets will easily outperform European share indexes in 2012, which will struggle to bounce back to end-2010 levels, never mind end-2011.

With Europe heading into a recession, oil prices look set to fall from here. Brent crude will average $105 a barrel next year, not far below this year's record high average near $111.

"We expect a mild recession across the OECD next year to put a damper on demand and consequently prices," David Wech from Vienna-based consultants JBC Energy said. "Nevertheless, the risk to oil prices is definitely on the upside given a still troubled geopolitical environment."

Economic growth is likely to slow among the Gulf's wealthy oil exporters next year, but governments will remain able to spend to counter the impact of any global slump, a Reuters poll showed on Wednesday.

Respondents cited the euro zone debt crisis and signs of slowing growth in China as reasons for the darkened economic outlook in the Gulf.

DELAYED CHINESE CHEERS

Whatever the euro zone's future, the effects of the debt crisis have already been felt across the world. The European Union is China's biggest export market, and manufacturing data there show dwindling levels of foreign new orders.

Indeed, the Chinese economy is now growing at its weakest pace since 2009. In an effort to support it the central bank cut reserve requirements at the end of last month for the first time in three years.

Economists polled by Reuters after this move, however, said the People's Bank of China will refrain from more aggressive stimulative policies unless growth falls sharply to below 8 percent.

Similarly, India has been suffering from a pronounced slowdown in growth and Reuters polls suggest its central bank will also slacken monetary policy by mid-2012 to counter this, despite stubbornly high inflation. It could be in for a difficult year.

"Looking ahead, the economy faces the lagged effects of monetary tightening," said Leif Eskesen, economist HSBC in Singapore.

"Moreover, administrative hurdles and domestic policy paralysis are holding back investments and hurting sentiment."

Brazil's central bank on Thursday cut its 2011 growth estimate to 3.0 percent, versus its previous estimate of 3.5 percent, and said 2012 would see growth of 3.5 percent.

Compared with previous years where growth averaged near double-digit rates, that would be a disappointment, although still a fair improvement on the anaemic rates of most developed peers.

Overall, even the slightly depressed growth rates from these developing economic powers will power world growth next year.

"It is positive growth, but the picture does vary considerably - not just in terms of the first and second half of the year, but also depending on which part of the world you look at," concluded Lyons from Standard Chartered.

(Analysis by Sumanta Dey in Bangalore, Additional reporting by Anooja Debnath in Singapore, Zaida Espana and Peter Apps in London; Polling by Reuters Polls Bangalore, Editing by Hugh Lawson)

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08:16 PM on 12/26/2011
A nation with no concept of self interest or sense of nationalism eventually ceases to be a nation. That's where we are.
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10:58 AM on 12/27/2011
In the US self-interest as policy either foreign or domestic has been hijacked for the very few at the expense of the very many. As to nationalism - it used to be people of common language culture and experiences WANTING to work together for mutual benefit. Unfortunately it once again seems to be devolving into a political tool to get groups A & B distracted to loathe C, D & E. What keeps a country together isn't flags or embroidered eagles or rah rah we're #1 - but respect and concern for the other citizens - this unfortunately seems to be missing.
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Kritikos
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11:06 PM on 12/25/2011
..........'A Tale Of Two Worlds'................;..........haves and have nots.
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ritamary
09:20 PM on 12/25/2011
Interesting reading at GEAB website. While I'm not informed enough to comment on most of what they say, I strongly disagree with their description of the Tea Party and their prediction for its future growth. They describe the Tea Party as a revolt of the middle class. The original members of the Tea Party I would not characterize as middle class. Nor do I see it as having any future as anything other than a front the the most radical far right members of the Republican Party. The Canadian think tank that produced this bulletin needs to review their conclusions about American politics. They also need a much better proof reader for the English version of their bulletin.
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10:31 PM on 12/25/2011
I didn't see a footnote for the TP/OWS comment, which leads to a quoted source:

"...The TP and OWS have, therefore, a bright future ahead of them since the wrath of 2011 will become the rage in 2012/2013..."

If either group gets out of line, they'll be declared terrorists subject to indefinite detention, at least until after the national political conventions.
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02:01 AM on 12/26/2011
I don't think we need to worry about Tea Party members being detained. They are nothing but Republicons under a different name. They attended Democratic members of Congress town hall meetings with guns and not one was ever arrested.
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02:53 PM on 12/25/2011
GlobalEurope Anticipation Bulletin No. 60...

http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-60-is-available-Global-systemic-crisis-USA-2012-2016-An-insolvent-and-ungovernable-country_a8481.html
GEAB Nâ–‘60 is available! Global systemic crisis - USA 2012/2016: An insolvent and ungovernable country

"As announced in previous GEABs, in this issue our team presents its anticipations on the changes in the United States for the period 2012-2016. This country, the epicentre of the global systemic crisis and pillar of the international system since 1945, will go through a particularly tragic in its history during these five years. Already insolvent it will become ungovernable bringing about, for Americans and those who depend on the United States violent and destructive economic, financial, monetary, geopolitical and social shocks. If the United States today is already very different from the "super-power" of 2006, the year the first GEAB was published, announcing the global systemic crisis and the end of the all-powerful US, the changes we anticipate for the 2012-2016 period are even more important, and will radically transform the country's institutional system, its social fabric and its economic and financial weight..."

Thanks to ChoctawWriterGirl for posting about the GlobalEurope Anticipation Bulletins.
HopeWFaith
We the People
12:39 PM on 12/25/2011
The chance Americans have for a recovery of sorts is in whether or not the corporate greed backs down from the current rate of pocketing profits, becomes more balanced in their profit taking, and turns funds back into their workforces, giving them a lift up so that they can rebuild the financial supports the nation has had axed down by these very corporate greedy bast....s.

China spills over with basically garbage products that no one in their right mind really wants to purchase. Once you've seen a made in China lamp set fire just from being turned on, you know you never want to purchase goods from China again. Once you've seen your baby poisoned by tainted food, you never want to buy any foods from such a questionable resource again.

This is not rocket science. Most Americans (and I would bet most Europeans) feel the same way about buying from anywhere but the US or Europe. We don't like it and we want our choices returned stateside, so we are buying what we want, and reinforcing the US, as we do it.

Sure it is easy to send jobs over there, since the workers make nothing. Still, you have to consider what is good for the overall nation, not just your own damn greedy pockets. Sometimes a little pain is worth a lot of longterm gain.
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02:59 PM on 12/25/2011
http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/10/0518/chinadrugs.html
You Don't Know Where Your Drugs Come From And Neither Does The FDA; U.S. Imports 90 Percent Of Its Antibiotics (And Vitamin A) From China

"China has surpassed the United States as the world's largest manufacturer of bulk drugs, vitamins and nutritional supplements and is now exporting a large portion of its production to the United States. Tens of millions of American consumers have no idea that the majority of the over-the-counter drugs they are purchasing now originate in China, where there are "relatively few regulations related to pharmaceutical exports in comparison to industrialized economies," according to a report commissioned by the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission. The increasing dependence on China for active pharmaceutical ingredients and nutritional supplements "presents a range of issues for concern."

In 2008, China produced $25.7 billion worth of bulk drugs (up 23 percent from 2007), and exported $17.6 billion of that output (an increase of 30 percent over 2007). "For many years, China has been exporting more than half of its bulk drug products to nearly 200 countries," according to the study by NSD Bio Group. "As a result, China-sourced raw ingredients have a growing impact on the global pharmaceutical market."

The country is now the world's largest producer of acetominophen used in Contac, Benadryl, Excedrin, Sudafed, Theraflu and Vicks, among others..."
Norm
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08:41 AM on 12/26/2011
Yup. I pretty much stopped taking them altogether for that reason.
02:20 AM on 12/25/2011
Wait till Obama attacks Iran
REDSTATEREFUGEE
Texan by birth ; Californian by choice
07:23 PM on 12/24/2011
Eventually, Chinese workers will understand that the monied interests in their country are prospering, but at their expense. Already there have been signals that employees are demanding more pay. Too, Americans are finally recognizing that cheap Chinese imported goods last a fraction of American products and, in some cases, such as food products, may be contaminated.

Europe is a sick man and will be for years. The Euro needs to be revised into the Northern Euro, issued by those nations who actually work, pay taxes, and save, and the Southern Euro, for the Mediterranean rim, whose people seem to spend much more than they earn, enjoy a relaxed lifestyle, and practice tax evasion as a national pastime.

The U.S. is on the mend. Most of the financial journals I read suggest that investors should concentrate on American offerings. Anecdotally, I asked jewelry shop staff how their Christmas season was. They said better than last year, but not as good as before. IMHO, the U.S. has turned the corner.....
04:58 AM on 12/25/2011
You know, I don't believe into this "genetic"/"sociological" north - south divide of Europe like you and others (for example the Henkel-ists here in Germany) portray it.

But if I took your argument for being the truth, then we should go all the distance, shouldn't we and name the "Southern Euro" "Dollar".
After all, if one does look at the US trade deficit (consumption over production/ "spend much more than they earn") it pales the rest of the world. And not only that. Where else is both historically as well as contemporary as a political party platform (TP) an act of tax evasion the single defining moment of national identity ("tax evasion as a national pastime") ?

Kidding aside, I really think that Europe defies such simplistic views. For example, if you look closer you will notice that Italian polity/ Italians are wealthier than Germans, for example. That doesn't fit into the description of not being "savers".
Ten years ago nations like Spain and Ireland were heralded as economic role models, not the least by US economists and Germany dubbed the "sick man of Europe". And what would the UK be? Certainly not a "northern economy" given the state of their manufacturing sector..
REDSTATEREFUGEE
Texan by birth ; Californian by choice
06:39 PM on 12/25/2011
Merry Christmas, Michael.....I appreciated your analysis....
11:17 AM on 12/25/2011
The USA is not on the mend. Read Paul Craig Roberts "How the Economy Was Lost". Most mainstream economists are sold out to corporate propaganda and government pressure to lie to us. Many others are simply deluded. The USA is headed for further currency devaluation, our economy has collapsed, everything going on right now is propaganda and ponzi schemes, we are in a depression that is getting worse at least for the 99% not included in the extraction economy. We are headed for world wide depression when these bubbles burst. Prosperity is not any more around the corner than is was when Hoover said that.
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02:36 PM on 12/25/2011
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2011/06/01/a-nobel-economist-says-globalism-is-costly-for-americans/
A Nobel Economist Says Globalism Is Costly For Americans | Foreign Policy Journal

"Offshoring has destroyed the economy

by Paul Craig Roberts
June 1, 2011

These are discouraging times, but once in a blue moon a bit of hope appears. I am pleased to report on the bit of hope delivered in March of 2011 by Michael Spence, a Nobel prize-winning economist, assisted by Sandile Hlatshwayo, a researcher at New York University. The two economists have taken a careful empirical look at jobs offshoring and concluded that it has ruined the income and employment prospects for most Americans.

To add to the amazement, their research report, “The Evolving Structure of the American Economy and the Employment Challenge,” was published by the very establishment Council on Foreign Relations.

For a decade, I have warned that US corporations, pressed by Wall Street and large retailers such as Wal-Mart, to move offshore their production for US consumer markets, were simultaneously moving offshore US GDP, US tax base, US consumer income, and irreplaceable career opportunities for American citizens.

Among the serious consequences of offshoring are the dismantling of the ladders of upward mobility that made the US an “opportunity society,” an extraordinary worsening of the income distribution, and large trade and federal budget deficits that cannot be closed by normal means. These deficits now threaten the US dollar’s role as world reserve currency..."
REDSTATEREFUGEE
Texan by birth ; Californian by choice
04:43 PM on 12/25/2011
You could be correct, but, then, most financial observers note that we are slowly crawling back from the economic swamp that Bush and his pals placed us in. Thanks for your post....
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03:30 PM on 12/24/2011
Already good news for 2012 pours in!
11:18 AM on 12/25/2011
As Hoover said in the last big depression "prosperity is just around the corner". Then came the really bad news.
rdk70816
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01:47 PM on 12/24/2011
Vote Obama out of office and the global economy will start the mending process led by a resurgence of growth in the USA.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
01:50 PM on 12/24/2011
Where can I get some of that optimism? Is it herbal?
rdk70816
Yellowhammer
02:03 PM on 12/24/2011
It is in the genes of the USA.
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demilieu
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03:31 PM on 12/24/2011
The future...is in medical marihujana! Number 1 growth industry.
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04:51 PM on 12/24/2011
What will spur growth? Will it be rising wages, which allow people to purchase more? (Wage trend flat for the last thirty years, so probably not). Will it be more borrowing from home equity which fueled spending in the 1990s and 2000s? (Not if 1/4 houses are under water=no equity, trend it 1/2 houses underwater soon). Will credit cards lend more? (Companies cutting credit limits now and debtors filing bk in droves). What will spur growth?
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Yellowhammer
07:30 PM on 12/24/2011
Expansions of small and large industries will spur growth. That is what always happens in a good business climate.
11:21 AM on 12/25/2011
The only thing that can revive this economy are major structural changes, like reforming government and getting corporate welfare off the radar, ending senseless expensive wars, solving the foreclosure crisis, getting jobs back from China by amending our terrible 'free' trade agreement or imposing tariffs on their goods. Not going to happen, so we are headed for the next great depression as soon as the bubbles burst. QE3 will make things look temporarily better, but in every case historically nations that have tried to survive by devaluing currency became dust in the wind.
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01:25 PM on 12/24/2011
After the massive movement of jobs in the real economy from the industrialised nations to the developing nations, whose people are still mostly too poor to buy what they make, just where exactly do these people think the growth is going to come from. I shut my wallet 3 years ago and haven't bought anything but essentials scince while I focus on paying down my mortgage - in the hope that should I too lose my job I won't be in a negative equity situation, still owing the bank money after they sell my house in a fire sale. You're all so focused on whether or not "the market" is confident, or if the banks have enough liquidity to lend. If the people who are still working are so scared by the incompetence we see and the negligence we have seen and they constitute the real economy, no amount of inventive accounting or exotic financial product development is going to save you. Save us, and if you're really good we may save some of you.
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demilieu
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03:32 PM on 12/24/2011
There's always Walmart.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
12:05 PM on 12/24/2011
Sun-girt City, thou hast been
Ocean's child, and then his queen;
Now is come a darker day,
And thou soon must be his prey.

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gerald4
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12:02 PM on 12/24/2011
What will the USA and Europe do when China and the other industrialized nations in the world stop accepting the US Dollar and/or the Euro to pay for the things that we consume?

Individuals in foreign industrialized countries view the United States government as borrowing back lots of US dollars from the people who we paid US dollars to make the things that we consumed, and then spending these huge amounts of US dollars with the careless abandon of a drunken sailor on shore leave buying his new friends that he just met (voters) in a bar with free drinks, who only is concerned about today and will not plan anything for or even think about tomorrow.

This US government attitude is very disturbing to those very same foreigners in industrialized nations that the US government hopes will buy more and more of our freshly printed US Treasury Bonds and securities (hopefully at not too much of a discount and/or not very high interest rates) to pay for our federal US government deficit spending, economic stimulations, our trade deficits, our wars, our social programs, our environmental activities, our free medical care, our bureaucratic employee payrolls, pork barrel infrastructure projects, “green” product manufacturing company loans, and other various necessary and unnecessary government expenses with the US dollars that the foreigners earned by making things for US consumers and then "loaned" these US dollars back to the US government when the foreigners buy freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds.
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gerald4
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12:10 PM on 12/24/2011
The US Dollars that people in industrialized nations earned manufacturing things for US consumers back to spend on government expenses have ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE, except that they are redeemable for title to (corporations that own) privately owned businesses, factories, casinos, hotels, farms, land, ports, breweries, refineries, forests, ports, breweries, refineries, and other privately owned assets located in the USA that were created by previous US generations, instead of Gold from Ft. Knox.

US citizens are racing to sell title to everything in the USA of value that was created by previous working generations of US citizens in order to keep US citizens from working today to make the things that US citizens purchase and consume.

This will keep the USA from re-industrializing and allow US citizens to not work as required to produce the things that US citizens consume until the USA has no more assets to pay for our imported products and our increasing government expenses.

The US government refers to these sales of existing privately owned US assets to foreigners to pay for the imported products that the US citizens consume and the increasing levels of US federal government activities that are in excess of tax collections as "INVESTING IN AMERICA".
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gerald4
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12:16 PM on 12/24/2011
Foreign individuals in foreign industrial nations that create wealth will eventually own everything of value in the USA as they redeem their freshly printed paper US Treasury Bonds and US dollars that they earned by manufacturing US consumer products for title to privately owned assets located in the USA.

Foreigners will also immigrate to the USA and eventually become the major (or maybe the only) source of employment for US citizens after they redeem their US Treasury bonds for title to and control of all of the assets located in the USA.

The US population will then become employees; possibly indentured servants; or maybe even beg to become slaves or indentured servants owned by the foreign countries and/or foreign individuals that will own everything of value in the USA in the very near future if the US government continues to destroy the US economy and the purchasing power of the US dollar with deficit federal government spending.

US citizens might have no options if they want to feed their families?

Our children and our grandchildren might also have to change to the religion of the business owner if they want a job.
11:26 AM on 12/25/2011
Absolutely right, very perceptive. I think we may also see a mass migration of US citizens to Latin America, especially retired people, to use their remaining 'wealth' to sustain a middle class lifestyle or just to survive and afford healthcare. I already have relatives who are doing this. Americans will need to flee their own country to find work, have health care or escape the increasingly fascist tendencies to persecute those who don't fit with the new order. Those who aren't happy to become slaves, live in a society that bans books and be strip searched at airports. Young people would be wise to do this now because our brainless leaders may be thinking a nice, big war with a draft might cure our economic ills, at least a while longer.
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gerald4
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11:53 AM on 12/24/2011
"The big unknown in Europe and the U.S. is that big companies, with balance sheets in good shape, have the ability to invest at home if they want. It's more likely that will take place in the U.S. rather than Europe," said Lyons.

How could anybody think that any of the big US manufacturing businesses, with balance sheets in good shape, could ever possibly even consider creating and/or keeping any jobs in the USA or Europe if they are hamstrung with many times more expensive labor costs, many times more expensive electrical energy that is required to be generated in compliance with the EPA, health care payroll tax costs, unemployment payroll tax costs, social security and medical care payroll tax costs, environmental compliance manufacturing costs, fringe (holiday and vacation) benefit payroll costs, OSHA compliance payroll costs, union labor work rules, anti-business laws, and general anti-business attitudes that make manufacturing products in the USA many many times more costly than manufacturing the same product in almost any other foreign country?

Taxes on business profits are another small but very signifigant factor that affects where jobs will be created compared to the other manufacturing costs.
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demilieu
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03:34 PM on 12/24/2011
And, any more to say...?
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gerald4
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10:15 AM on 12/27/2011
Yes, I have a lots to say in many subjects.
11:36 AM on 12/25/2011
I love it. Many people on this site are going to stone you verbally, but you are right once again. It is an unpleasant truth most Americans still refuse to face. Fact is, we've been robbed and sold out by our own government and there is no getting around the consequences of that criminally irresponsible activity. To be competitive in the New World Order we need to eliminate these impediments to economic growth, but as part of this purging we also need to get corporations out of government, cease providing them with welfare, apply antitrust laws to heathcare and other monopolies and regulation to banking. To grow and have 1% of the population hoard the profits and invest them abroad doesn't solve anything. A lot if not all of these impediments, and I notice you to not mention war as our primary industry, are the result of government corruption, generating programs, bureaucracies and jobs for the elite at the expense of the health and welfare of the whole.
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gerald4
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10:16 AM on 12/27/2011
Sticks and stones ..........
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
11:52 AM on 12/24/2011
When the Roman Empire collapsed in the 6th century, the resulting Dark Ages lasted for more than 500 years (6th-13th centuries)­. The current round of economic problems directly affects about a third of the global population­, much more than Rome at its peak. The issues in Europe will surely not be confined to that continent.

We study history with an expectation that life is always better tomorrow than yesterday. This was not true post-Rome.

To survive in the Dark Ages, look for employment in the local church. A knowledge of economics, or higher math will do you little good in this world. It is time to get a smallpox vaccination.
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gerald4
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12:12 PM on 12/24/2011
That is scary, but that is definitely the future if the USA continues on our de-industrialized wealth consuming path instead of re-industrializing and creating new wealth.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
12:22 PM on 12/24/2011
My only problem with your perspective, is you make it sound far too easy. To compete with China, average wages in the U.S. and Europe would need to be reduced to about $200 per month. This includes everyone, not just factory workers.

In addition, we start we a staggering debt load, which if we depress the economy more with austerity measures, would just get more burdensome.

A reasonable person would conclude that this an unworkable plan (not that I have a solution).
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
03:38 PM on 12/24/2011
I suspect you have missed the point. In the 21st century brain power will be far more relevant than anything factory-made.
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
03:35 PM on 12/24/2011
That was when we communicated with smoke signals and only the clergy could read and write.
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becky bradshaw
"In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth
04:14 PM on 12/24/2011
Much of the period is an unknown. The progress of man paused for five centuries. A small monastery on Iona, a small island off Scotland's Western coast, retained the period's preeminent scholars. This tiny monastery (Columba) is credited with sending emissaries throughout Europe, bringing the continent out of the Dark Ages.

"Many of the kings of Scotland, Ireland, and even of the Vikings, were buried there. Some of the most famous Kings of Alba, from Kenneth MacAlpine to MacBeth, made their final journey there - across the sound to Iona, onto the harbour, and up the Street of the Dead to the burial ground, the Relig Oran.

This royal tradition was only broken twice whilst The Western Isles stayed a part of the Kingdom of Alba - once by Constantine mac Aed ( buried St Andrews) and again by Malcolm Canmore (buried at Dunfermline). The last king to be interred on Iona was Malcolm’s brother, Donald Bane, before Malcolm’s son, Edgar, surrendered the island to Magnus, King of Norway, after he subdued the isles to his will in 1098 AD. Recently the tradition was revived, and Iona was again the centre of national mourning when the Labour leader, John Smith, was buried there."

Reference: http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/scottishhistory/earlychurch/trails_earlychurch_iona2.shtml