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Iraq War Ends, But No Parade For Troops Is Imminent

Iraq War Parade

BEN NUCKOLS and SAMANTHA GROSS   12/27/11 08:02 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON — Americans probably won't be seeing a huge ticker-tape parade anytime soon for troops returning from Iraq, and it's not clear if veterans of the nine-year campaign will ever enjoy the grand, flag-waving, red-white-and-blue homecoming that the nation's fighting men and women received after World War II and the Gulf War.

Officials in New York and Washington say they would be happy to help stage a big celebration, but Pentagon officials say they haven't been asked to plan one.

Most welcome-homes have been smaller-scale: hugs from families at military posts across the country, a somber commemoration by President Barack Obama at Fort Bragg in North Carolina.

With tens of thousands of U.S. troops still fighting a bloody war in Afghanistan, anything that looks like a big victory celebration could be seen as unseemly and premature, some say.

"It's going to be a bit awkward to be celebrating too much, given how much there is going on and how much there will be going on in Afghanistan," said Don Mrozek, a military history professor at Kansas State University.

Two New York City councilmen, Republicans Vincent Ignizio and James Oddo, have called for a ticker-tape parade down the stretch of Broadway known as the Canyon of Heroes. A similar celebration after the Gulf War was paid for with more than $5.2 million in private donations, a model the councilmen would like to follow.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said last week that he was open to the idea but added, "It's a federal thing that we really don't want to do without talking to Washington, and we'll be doing that."

A spokesman for the mayor declined to elaborate on the city's reasons for consulting with Washington. Ignizio said he had been told by the mayor's office that Pentagon officials were concerned that a celebration could spark violence overseas and were evaluating the risk.

Navy Capt. John Kirby, a Pentagon spokesman, said that he has not heard that issue raised and that New York has yet to make a formal proposal. He also said officials are grateful communities around the country are finding ways to recognize the sacrifices of troops and their families.

The last combat troops in Iraq pulled out more than a week ago. About 91,000 U.S. soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are in Afghanistan, battling a stubborn Taliban insurgency and struggling to train Afghan forces so that they eventually can take over security. Many U.S. troops who fought in the Iraq War could end up being sent to Afghanistan.

A parade might invite criticism from those who believe the U.S. left Iraq too soon, as well as from those who feel the war was unjustified. It could also trigger questions about assertions of victory.

Mrozek noted that President George W. Bush's administration referred to military action in the Middle East as part of a global war on terror, a conflict that's hard to define by conventional measures of success.

"This is not a war on a particular place or a particular force," he said.

Bush himself illustrated the perils of celebrating milestones in the war, Mrozek said, when he landed on an aircraft carrier and hailed the end of major combat operations in Iraq behind a "Mission Accomplished" banner in May 2003. U.S. troops remained in Iraq for 8 1/2 more years, and Bush was criticized over the banner.

The benchmarks were clearer in previous wars. After World War II, parades marked Japan's surrender. After the Gulf War, celebrations marked the troops' return after Iraqi forces were driven out of Kuwait.

The only mass celebrations of U.S. military activities since Sept. 11, 2001, were largely spontaneous: Large crowds gathered in Times Square and outside the White House in April after Osama bin Laden was killed.

At the same time, Iraq veterans aren't coming home to the hostility many Vietnam veterans encountered. The first large-scale event honoring Vietnam veterans was not held until 1982, when thousands marched in Washington for the dedication of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Parades were later held in New York in 1985 – 10 years after the war ended – and in Chicago the next year.

"I think we've seen recent history in Vietnam, where that wasn't done appropriately, and we want to make sure we do the appropriate thing by those that made the ultimate sacrifice and risked their lives for us to say thanks," Ignizio said.

At Fort Hood in Texas, troops have returned to welcome-home ceremonies at the post that were attended mostly by soldiers' families. Soldiers in uniform run to hug their loved ones after an announcer yells, "Charge!"

Col. Douglas Crissman, commander of the 3rd Brigade of the 1st Cavalry Division, said Saturday after one such ceremony that that is as large-scale a welcome as the troops need.

"This is just the right size because it's quick and meaningful and it gets them home to their families," Crissman said.

Staff Sgt. Troy Rudolph was among the first troops to arrive in Iraq in March 2003 and was in the last combat brigade to leave. Rudolph said that a large-scale ceremony would be nice but that he feels appreciated even without confetti falling from the sky.

"I've had people buy me lunch at airports just because I was in uniform," said Rudolph, who lives at Fort Hood with his wife and 9-year-old stepdaughter. "It's emotional because you don't realize what kind of impact you have on people across the country."

In Washington, federal agencies take the lead on planning parades, and so far nothing is in the works. A spokesman for Mayor Vincent Gray said the city would be honored to host a parade but said local officials wouldn't take the lead in staging one.

In recent years, most of the ticker-tape parades in New York have been held for the city's championship sports teams.

"The sports celebrations that we've had in New York for the Yankees and the Mets were amazing," Oddo said. "But these are the real heroes."

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Gross reported from New York. Associated Press writers Angela K. Brown in Fort Hood, Texas, and Lolita C. Baldor in Washington contributed to this report.

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09:00 AM on 01/01/2012
Why have a parade for our military that was used and abused so badly?

Weapons of mass destruction anyone? Bush and Obama? I feel so badly for our armed forces. Why?

They will not be honored by a public that does not care and a politics that is all lies all the time.

It is so sad really, that the whole thing was and is such a mess. It is not the soldiers fault it is our fault for being a gullible and politically weak population. This is still the case. Parade? Elections? conventions, for what?
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Marlyn
If I'm wrong, let me know.
07:01 PM on 12/31/2011
Leaving 5,000 mercenaries behind? I don't feel like a parade.

I don't even feel like the war is over or that we have left Iraq.
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Omega2012
03:44 AM on 12/29/2011
No parade. Only mental illness, drug abuse, violence and horror filled nightmares for the rest of your life. Welcome back son.
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zombywulf
Pirate Captain Church of Saint Jerry
02:56 AM on 12/29/2011
The Parade will be the day after the one for the Korean and Vietnam Veterans.
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bobWal
03:58 PM on 12/28/2011
Less than one percent of our population are in the military or have family members in it. A whole lot more work for the defense industry. Captains of industry reap millions and millions of dollars for the work these men and women do. All returning to no jobs and a world of serfdom. Their civilian leaders could care less. Other than mouthing the pithy bromides of "thanks for your service" its sorry,thanks but the life boats are full. A lot different than 1945.
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lemmyk73
When you see a Rainbow, it is God having gay sex.
03:46 PM on 12/28/2011
Typical Obama.
Darrion Beckles
I wash myself with a rag on a stick
10:24 AM on 12/28/2011
Other than the return, honorable sacrifice, and survival of our Armed men and women, there's not much to celebrate about this (Iraq) war.
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baxtron
tek phlarpt
10:05 AM on 12/28/2011
beers at the VFW should cover it.
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baxtron
tek phlarpt
10:00 AM on 12/28/2011
Reprivitans didn't allow us to celebrte OBL's death, so why do we need this celebration?
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lemmyk73
When you see a Rainbow, it is God having gay sex.
03:46 PM on 12/28/2011
Why would you celebrate anyone's death?
08:37 AM on 12/28/2011
We have seen this movie before. Repubs. get the country into a mess, dump it on the Pres. and then blame him for the outcome. Not working, unless of course, you have exclusive rights to your own set of facts.

Remember the " COALITION OF THE WILLING ? " The countries that Bush and the neo- cons ignored in the rush to war and called on to help put Humpty back together when it fell apart ? American people, please don't let Repubs. whose stated , single most important priority is to defeat the Pres. " write their own version of history.
The Iraq war and the people who are responsible for it's failures are already established and settled history. Condoleeza Rice as recent as last week , said they lacked the understanding of the sectarian element as well as miscalculated the number of troops needed to secure the country after the collaspe. Well.. It is sectarian violence and the loose border that brought the current condition, in part.
They always say, " Listen to the commanders on the ground , " but they didn't listen to the commanders on the ground. Nor in the air or seas. They didn't listen to anyone except the neo- cons who had it all figured out. JUST THE FACTS. How could so many principle players in this debacle be on record ,fessing up actually, and taking responsibility and yet some on this very blog are beating the BLAME IT ON OBAMA DRUM ?
12:52 PM on 12/28/2011
Hold on, wait a minute! The central point that I made was factually correct. Pres. Obama inherited the war and all of the mess that we see. He didn't support the war, he ran, against the war, and is reducing our foot print in that country in a dangerous political climate where he is the first Dem. pres. to steal the mantle of national security from republicans. . Are you suggesting he give it back, let the Repubs. have it and possibly lose on two fronts: NATIONAL SECURITY AND THE ECONOMY ? the latter of which is on one leg in spite of a recent victory on tax cuts and the unemployment extention.

Pres. Obama was placed in a political box from the start by Repubs.. who painted him as naive on national security, Hillary and the 6:00 am call, he is a terrorist, terrorist sympathizer, muslim, appeaser, communist, socialist, foreigner, Anti- Christ and all of the names that we as an American public associate with the enemy and on top of this? He is given the task of taking on real enemies, foreign and domestic.

If you are disappointed with Pres. Obama wait until you see , " THE RISE OF REAGAN. COMING SOON. We have had a preview of it for 3 years coming from social , religious,and so- called fiscal conservatives.
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beardown
06:46 AM on 12/28/2011
The number of Iraqi bodies just keep piling up on Obama's hands after he pulled the troops out despite warnings from his Generals!
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tek phlarpt
10:01 AM on 12/28/2011
which Generals were warning him?
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06:36 AM on 12/28/2011
Learning From Mistakes in Iraq

Gene Jones, Op-Ed: The Iraq war has made America weaker, poorer, less respected around the world, and increased the terrorism threat. We need to make sure the same mistakes are not repeated. Never again should we allow politicians to exploit our troops by sending them to fight and die unless in response to an imminent threat to America. Except in an emergency and as the Constitution requires, Congress should debate and declare war before troops are ordered into battle by the president.
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06:35 AM on 12/28/2011
Use Em, Chew Em Up, Spit Em Out: Military Still Struggling to Treat Troops With Brain Injuries

Joaquin Sapien, Investigation Analysis: For the past two years, ProPublica and NPR have collaborated on an investigation that looks in-depth at the military’s handling of traumatic brain injuries, a signature wound of the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. More than 115,000 soldiers have sustained mild traumatic brain injuries, also called concussions, in the wars when shock waves from bombs rippled through their brains. Most have recovered quickly, but some have suffered lasting cognitive problems, from headaches and dizziness to problems with memory and reasoning.
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popart
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06:12 AM on 12/28/2011
I always felt like celebrating an end of a war was too much like approving the war in the first place..
I was drafted into the U.S. army and served my time as required by law not because I endorsed our
govenments policies regarding making war in foreign lands but because i didn't want to go to prison or leave the country or affect some sort of disability to be rejected for military service. I was never prepared to give my life for my country and i resented the idea that my country just assumed thought that i would be willing to take some one elses life. To march in and celebrate an ending to a war would have been for me humiliating and insulting and smacks of vain glorious praise.
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Ascoli
05:12 AM on 12/28/2011
A parade for what............
Where is the great 'victory'
They went for the Corporate masters and destroyed a country and killed thousands and thousands.
Let the damn 'parade' be on Wall Street.
Americans are addicted to war and what the hell used to be the 'glory'