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Many Ron Paul Supporters Ignore, Dismiss Newsletter Controversy


First Posted: 12/29/2011 5:40 pm Updated: 12/29/2011 6:25 pm

PERRY, Iowa -- Ron Paul is still catching heat for the newsletters published under his name in the 1980s and '90s, which had harsh words for wide swaths of the American people. Paul's campaign has sent its damage control operations into overdrive, even sitting the candidate down with the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz to assure its readers that he is no anti-Semite.

Many of Paul's supporters here, though, don't read Ha'aretz. They say they're unconcerned with reports on the newsletters and, in some cases, haven't even heard of them.

"I don't want to burst your bubble, but I have better things to do than sit at home and Google what news reporters are saying," Kent Sorenson, the former Iowa co-chairman for Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) who endorsed Rep. Paul (R-Texas) on Wednesday evening, told The Huffington Post. Sorenson said he was not aware of the controversy.

The Paul newsletters, produced during his years out of Congress, became part of the 2012 news cycle earlier this month, when a Weekly Standard article pointed to some of the racially charged and anti-gay statements published under Paul's name.

The Texas congressman has said he did not write those parts of the newsletter and does not agree with the statements made.

He told Iowa radio host Jan Mickelson in a Thursday interview that the newsletters had "a total of about 8 or 10 sentences" of "bad stuff."

"I had some responsibility for [the content] because the name went out on my letter but I was not an editor, I'm like a publisher," Paul said on Mickelson's radio show. "And if you think about publishers of newsletters, every once in awhile they get some pretty junky stuff in their newspapers and they have to say this is not the sentiment and position of that newspaper and this is certainly the case."

Yet a number of Paul supporters in Iowa said they either were unaware of the controversy or that they did not care about it, arguing that the candidate's views on race and rights are clear.

Josh Bacon, 20, a college student from Boone, Iowa, said in Perry that he has not read about the newsletters at all, but added that he is on vacation and follows the news more closely when he is back at school. Judy Church, 59, a Paul supporter from Blakesburg, Iowa, said at a Wednesday event in Newton, Iowa, that she has not read about the newsletters either.

Other supporters said they had read about the newsletters but think Paul is handling it in the best way possible. Deanna Seiler, 48, said at the Wednesday event in Newton that she respects they way Paul is responding to questions about the newsletters. Seiler is a registered Democrat but plans to vote for Paul next week.

"I like that he has answered plainly and simply, 'No, I had no idea about that,'" she said. "I know the media can be kind of tough on him, but he's not carrying that around, he doesn't get upset about it. He just simply says, 'I had no idea about it," and that's it."

Paul supporter Troy Anderson, 40, who works in Afghanistan but is visiting his parents in Des Moines for the holidays, said he is aware of the newsletters and has read the recent criticisms.

"I think at the time Ron Paul had 12 or 13 newsletters -- obviously he couldn't write all of that, so he's going to have to have reporters that do that for him," he said after a Paul event in Perry, adding that the candidate has handled the ensuing controversy properly.

Another Paul supporter, 24-year-old Jesse Akers, also said he has been reading about the newsletters but does not think the reports will sway fellow Paul backers.

The writers of the newsletter "are people on the fringe of the fringe of his supporters," he said, adding that the issue has been "overblown by the media."

"I think ultimately it hasn't made anybody leave the Ron Paul camp that wasn't already there," said Akers, who lives in Woodward, Iowa.

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12:22 AM on 01/02/2012
Wow, these HP guys are really reaching deep to rectally extract this one haha!
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RepublicanDepression
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01:06 PM on 01/01/2012
Moved from below
politician818: SCOTUS "...don't be surprised if that's how they rule."

1) LOL! Good! Let SCOTUS end the ONLY part of the law that the insurance monopoly WANTED! The individual mandate is the part the GOP (Greedy One Percent) wanted, right? Supported by Romney and Gingrich and other Republicans, right? They hate Obama so much they will harm their insurance monopoly 1% allies? Good!

politician: "The CIA found Bin Laden, and they would have done so at the same time no matter who was President."

2) PROVE IT!

3) It DOES matter who is President. 2005, Bush disbanded the CIA task force hunting bin Laden. How could they have found him with no task force?

4) Obama restarted the CIA bin Laden task force, refocused on Afghanistan, took heat from GOP for sending 30,000 more troops, greatly increased operations in Pakistan despite GOP whining. Obama deserves credit for all those tough calls that could have gone very wrong. Right?

Do you really think all that smart, courageous policy change had NOTHING to do with getting bin Laden?

politician: "Any President would have given the order to either kill or detain after that."

5) Any? WRONG AGAIN! Are you really not aware that a GOP (Greedy One Percent) president ALSO had bin Laden and FAILED to kill or detain?

6) Do you need me to explain to you about Bush and Tora Bora?

7) Where do you get your news?
11:16 AM on 01/01/2012
Yes, for the most part I will ignore the Ron Paul Newsletters, and I am a "minority" in this country.

Why: Because he is right for the most part. He may not be politically correct for these times, but I have not yet heard anything that he has ever said to be incorrect, or simply an opinion that many of us share.
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RepublicanDepression
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01:12 PM on 01/01/2012
LOL! Not "politically correct"?

That's what you call racism now? LOL!

marielen: "but I have not yet heard anything that he has ever said to be incorrect"

How about his prediction at the extremist John Birch society where he falsely claimed that the UN would take away Americans’ gun rights, property rights and their right to practice religion freely?

When did that come true?
03:04 PM on 12/31/2011
George Carlin - Youtube: "George Carlin on the Left Wing." The huffington post is another aol owned mega media conglomerate rat-hole under "left" cover, with shills like: "RepublicanDepression" who lack the mental aptitude to "cut & paste." Don't be a party lover and a country heater, vote american, not empty rhetoric and ideology from the left & right.
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01:15 PM on 01/01/2012
LOL! "PatriotMuck" CUTS AND RUNS from the actual debate to make personal attacks against me here. LOL!

Here is just a tiny sample of the debunking that PatriotMuck is hiding from:

patmuck: " Besides, racial interventi­on, unnatural social engineerin­g through: ethnic, cultural and racial preference­, that has been legislated since the 60's, has been a total and utter failure."

Prove it. Or don't and admit FAILURE!

patmuck: " BIG WHITE LIBERAL DADDY FOR THOSE LITTLE NEGROS THAT CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES­."

Racist much?

LOL!

Patriot Muck BUSTED!
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RepublicanDepression
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01:45 PM on 01/01/2012
Here is some of what PatriotMuck is hiding from:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/RepublicanDepression/ron-paul-2012-newsletters_n_1175301_126107944.html
10:15 AM on 12/31/2011
Obama fans: "praise obama - he's brought healthcare to millions"

paulites: "that's great that they've got healthcare - but who's paying for it?"

ob fans: "oh well we are."

Paulites: "oh that's nice of us, then why are we in debt?"

Ob fans: "oh because the government isn't getting enough money from us to pay for all these programs"

Paulites: "oh, so we've over extended - and we're living beyond our means. so ... once again, who's paying for it."

Ob fans: "oh, well... we'll pay for it... eventually"

Paulites: "oh, so you're not actually paying for it - you're patting yourself on the back for being 'charitable' - all the while knowing that your kids are going to be the ones who actually pay for it. 16 trillion dollars worth of it.

And why do you hate the rich again? they only do what you do - demand services - and then demand someone else pay for it.
02:20 AM on 12/31/2011
Obama was right about the war in Iraq. Too bad he's a liberal, though. Ron Paul was also right about the war in Iraq. Too bad he's too extreme. Neither of these guys will be elected next year.
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01:23 PM on 01/01/2012
LOL! Obama was right about the war in Iraq AND the war in Afghanistan.

Paul was only right about Iraq.

Here are just a few of the MANY questions that politician818 has been hiding from:

1) If the US left Afghanistan in 2009 as Ron Paul wanted, how would we have gotten bin Laden?

politician818: "The CIA found Bin Laden, and they would have done so at the same time no matter who was President."

2) WRONG! In 2005, the Bush administration disbanded the CIA task force hunting bin Laden. How could they have found him with no task force?

3) Obama restarted the CIA bin Laden task force. Obama refocused the military on Afghanistan. Obama took heat from the GOP for sending 30,000 more troops there in 2009. Obama greatly increased operations in Pakistan, despite GOP whining. Obama deserves credit for all those tough calls that could have gone very wrong. Do you really think all that smart, courageous policy change had NOTHING to do with getting bin Laden?

politician: "Any President would have given the order to either kill or detain after that."

4) WRONG AGAIN! Are you really not aware that the GOP (Greedy One Percent) president ALSO had bin Laden and FAILED to kill or detain?

5) Do you need me to explain to you about Tora Bora?

Obama 2012
01:29 AM on 12/31/2011
go youtube search 'ron paul predictions'

You people don't know the slightest thing about this man.
predicted 9/11 in the 90's because of clinton's horrible foreign policy -
predicted the market crash - predicted that middle class would shrink -

His desire to audit the fed (for those who don't know should probably look into) should bring enough praise for him that no matter what your personal opinion - you would have to admit - he's only doing the country good.
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RepublicanDepression
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01:28 PM on 01/01/2012
Here is what Justinbeg is hiding from. (See below in the thread)

I have debunked this "Ron Paul predicts 911" silliness, and justinbeg has NEVER been able to produce a quote saying “major attack on Sept 11, 2001”. or “fall of 2001.” or “planes into the WTC!”

Ron Paul DID NOT PREDICT 911! That claim is a JOKE! Only a religious cultist would believe it! LOL! PROOF FAIL!

We knew that Islamic terrorists wanted to attack us at home and aboard! How is it a prediction to say what EVERYBODY knows?

In 1990, Ron Paul, at the far-right extremist John Birch Society predicted the UN would take away Americans’ gun rights, property rights and their right to practice religion freely. When did that Ron Paul prediction come true?
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12:41 AM on 01/02/2012
RepublicanDepression

BS! The atmosphere Pre-911 was pure arrogance. Much much less than 1% of EVERYBODY was NOT inclined to believe it was going to happen. I have seen multiple video clips with Ron Paul predicting it - your research is FAIL!

Ron Paul 2012
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MissMapleLeaf
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12:45 AM on 12/31/2011
For those of you out there crowing that Ron Paul is winning over Democrats I tell you this: in the two party system of the USA, there are extremes in both parties. The fact that Ron Paul has followers in both parties only proves that there isn't much difference between extremists. Much less, in fact, than they'd care to admit.
01:15 AM on 12/31/2011
i would say that ron paul appeals to both parties because he's not an extremist - i'm an independent - voted for obama last time cause i heard how good dems were with money and the budget, and how they stood up for civil liberties -

1 term of obama fixed me right quick - i'll probably never vote for a dem again - and only vote republican if it's ron paul - or gary johnson
01:51 AM on 12/31/2011
If you're against the Civil Right Act and say that Medicare is unconstitutional, you're an extremist.
11:23 AM on 01/01/2012
Your dumb! you will not vote democrat ever again? You should stand for the issues and the person, not the party....
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arevireba
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11:10 PM on 12/30/2011
A Ron Paul presidency makes absolutely no sense. We're talking about a man who paints Americans with a broad brush, understands no points of view besides his own, cannot agree with his congressional colleagues on practically any issue, and whose supporters would blindly follow him, not holding him accountable for any of the irresponsible comments he's made in his long political career.

This is the man in 1st/2nd place in Iowa? I hate to say it but I actually feel terrible for Republicans in 2012.
01:13 AM on 12/31/2011
accept for the fact that he stands up for civil liberties more than your democratic ticket. must suck to hear your man never even mention marijuana - how many abuse or overdoses has marijuana caused - ... none? and that compared to alcohol and cigarettes? ...

And when obama is questioned all he says is - we should really look into the war on drugs...

This isn't rocket science obama - 0 deaths and no abuse charges .... grow a pair.
01:53 AM on 12/31/2011
I'm a conservative who agrees with Paul on marijuana, but there are more important issues. Don't expect any liberal to vote for a man who opposes any and all government healthcare programs.
01:54 AM on 12/31/2011
Liberals and even many conservatives don't buy Ron Paul's line that charities will magically take care of everybody if we get rid of Medicare and Medicaid.
02:14 AM on 12/31/2011
Don't feel terrible for the Republicans, since Ron Paul has no chance whatsoever of winning the nomination.
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08:38 PM on 12/30/2011
Who was responsible for Ron Paul's newsletters?

For the answer:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-64g26jbqMNk/TvyBiDs5BHI/AAAAAAAADO0/oM_qufB-4fs/s1600/Slide1.jpg
09:54 AM on 12/31/2011
that diagram is about the saddest thing i've ever seen -

I hope your employer knows that your writing on this blog - cause he should be held accountability for your opinions.

If that's your idea of accountability - i hope you hire me to do a job someday - so i can debaisse black people, make fun of homosexuals, and when i'm charged for the hate crime simply say - 'well - it's my bosses fault - he hired me'
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01:37 PM on 01/01/2012
LOL! You may take Ron Paul at his word that he was ignorant of a decade of content in his profitable multi-million dollar newsletter venture (LOL), but it does not pass the sniff test.

Even if we believe him (LOL), his ghostwriters were working in a professional context, and therefore Ron Paul is responsible for their racist words- which Ron Paul was making MILLIONS from.

People posting on Huff Post are not working professionally, therefore their bosses are not responsible.

Amazing that Justinbeg cannot see that obvious distinction.

But then, the article is about how much Ron Paul followers ignore the FACTS of the newsletters.
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RepublicanDepression
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08:36 PM on 12/30/2011
Can't run a newsletter?

Can't run a country.
09:55 AM on 12/31/2011
can't predict 9/11 - can't understand foregin policy - (obama)
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01:40 PM on 01/01/2012
LOL! Justinbeg STILL fails to produce a single Ron Paul quote saying "On Sept 11 2001, terrorists will crash planes into the WTC"

or ANY specific quote "predicting 911." Until then, Justinbeg FAIL!

If Ron Paul was president in 2009 and pulled all the troops out of Afghanistan, how would he have gotten bin Laden?

What is the name of the person responsible for the racism and bigotry in Ron Paul's highly profitable newsletters?
08:11 PM on 12/30/2011
If you think Ron Paul has changed, think again.

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/153607/major_ron_paul_supporter_favors_death_penalty_for_gays

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews/article/666369/ron_paul_wasn't_joking_about_letting_uninsured_people_die_--_his_uninsured_staffer_died_of_pneumonia/
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01:41 PM on 01/01/2012
WOW!

Not surprising, there is no defense from the Ron Paul supporters.

Guess there is a LOT they can ignore besides newsletters.
12:34 AM on 01/02/2012
I would go head on over to the article about "Forgiving Ron Paul (and other white people)" and you can see just how much cognitive dissonance they possess.
07:37 PM on 12/30/2011
YouTube: "Ron Paul Is Not a Racist" by Stefan Molyneux. The only racists are the republican and democratic bank owned establishm­ent traitors.
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08:36 PM on 12/30/2011
Prove Democrats are racist.
"patriotmuck" FAIL!
10:55 PM on 12/30/2011
I do not have to prove anything to you, the the truth is self evident in society. You simply choose to ignore the the statements that I have made in my last post. Besides, racial intervention, unnatural social engineering through: ethnic, cultural and racial preference, that has been legislated since the 60's, has been a total and utter failure. Democrats went from natural born Constitutional rights of "Equal protection under the law" and "equal rights" to the statist enforcement of "equal outcome", regardless if it contradicts one's natural born rights with policies such as "affirmative action." BIG WHITE LIBERAL DADDY FOR THOSE LITTLE NEGROS THAT CANNOT TAKE CARE OF THEMSELVES. Be careful now, you democrats are starting to sound like conservatives, in the way you attack dissent and doge questions. Have a nice day.
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Yorksgal
'Conservative Christian' is a complete oxymoron.
06:57 PM on 12/30/2011
Why do both Pauls run as Republican if, as they say, they don't believe in the what the GOP stands for? Why did they not run as Libertarians or Constitutionalists - and please don't say because they wouldn't have gotten elected - beside being obvious, isn't that rather disingenuous?

Those supporting Paul need to research the John Birch society and its members.
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Kasado
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04:07 PM on 12/30/2011
Just keep on believing that the stuff shirted, big promising, celebrity type, corporate bought presidencial candidates (Obama included) are going to just tweek the federal government around the edges and lead America into another golden age.
It is this form of gullibility that has allowed the illusions of weapons of mass destruction, the lie that robots can provide jobs to replace the ones lost, they attack us because we are free, and we are not in the business of nation building.
America needs a major reset and Dr. Ron Paul can administrate it. The future maybe scary, but if we don't change the future, the future will change us.
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08:40 PM on 12/30/2011
WRONG!

Obama was NOT decieved by GOP (Greedy One Percent) Bush lies about WMD.

Obama called the GOP/Bush war "dumb" before it began and he was right. Obama said we needed to fight in Afghanistan against the real Al Qaeda, and he was right. Ron Paul was WRONG.

How would Ron Paul have gotten bin Laden if we had cut and run from Afghanistan in 2009 as Ron Paul wanted?
01:22 AM on 12/31/2011
uh actually ron paul has responded many times to this - but you people that get your information from the kindergarten network i guess never really look into the opponents of the democratic ticket - outside of their so called 'baggage'

Ron paul voted against the iraq war - actually he predicted the 9/11 events in the 90's when we were in the gulf illegally bombing their people.

As far as your ignorant comment about him going after bin laden - he voted to go into afghanistan - but he understands that it's not a country we're going to war against - it's a group of losers -

if a man robs a bank you don't send the federal government into the city and start bombing everyone looking for a small group of criminals -

once again - your comments about ron paul show that you don't know anything he stands for.
01:56 AM on 12/31/2011
I actually agree with you. Ron Paul's view on Afghanistan is shameful.