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Weekly Jobless Claims See 10 Percent Drop Since January

Weekly Jobless Claims

By CHRISTOPHER S. RUGABER   12/29/11 04:53 PM ET   AP

WASHINGTON -- The long-suffering job market is ending the year better off than it began.

The number of people applying for unemployment benefits each week has dropped by 10 percent since January. The unemployment rate, 8.6 percent in November, is at its lowest level in nearly three years.

Factory output is rising, business owners say they're more optimistic about hiring and consumer confidence has jumped to its highest level since April. Even the beleaguered housing market is looking slightly better.

"We are ending the year on an up note," says Joel Naroff, president of Naroff Economic Advisors.

Still, 25 million Americans remain out of work or unable to find full-time jobs. Most analysts forecast a stronger economy and job growth in 2012 – and rule out a second recession – but they caution that could change if Europe's debt crisis worsens or consumers pull back on spending.

On Thursday, the Labor Department said the number of people applying for unemployment benefits last week rose 15,000 to 381,000. But the four-week average, a less volatile measure, dropped to 375,000 – the lowest level since June 2008.

When applications for unemployment benefits consistently fall below 375,000, economists consider it a reasonable sign that hiring is rising enough to push the unemployment rate lower. The four-week average has remained below 400,000 for seven weeks, the longest stretch since April.

A mildly positive report on housing also came out on Thursday. The National Association of Realtors said the number of people who signed contracts to buy homes rose in November to its highest level in a year and a half.

The association sought to temper enthusiasm by noting that the number of canceled contracts is also on the rise. But financial markets seized on the good news in both reports.

The Dow Jones industrial average rose more than 113 points in afternoon trading.

"The recovery in the labor market is maintaining its momentum," says Michael Gapen, an economist at Barclays Capital.

That's noteworthy for an economy faced with a debt crisis in Europe and, as recently as last summer, scattered predictions of a second recession at home.

There was plenty of reason for gloom. A political standoff over the federal borrowing limit brought the United States to the brink of default and cost the nation its top-drawer credit rating.

Most analysts now say another recession is unlikely.

The economy likely grew at an annual rate of 3 percent or more in the final three months of this year, analysts say. That would top the 1.8 percent growth rate in the July-September quarter, and the 0.9 percent growth rate in the first half of the year.

Employers have added an average of 143,000 net jobs a month from September through November. That's almost double the pace for the previous three months. Although it's below the pace from the first quarter of 2011,

Next year should be even better for hiring. The Associated Press surveyed 36 economists this month who said they expect the economy to generate an average of about 175,000 jobs per month in 2012. That's almost double the pace for the previous three months, but not as high as job growth in the first quarter of the year.

Job listings website Indeed.com says its revenue has more than doubled in the past year as companies spend more on recruiting. CEO Paul Forster says the healthcare, energy and information-technology sectors have the greatest increase in job openings.

More small businesses plan to hire than at any time in three years, a trade group said earlier this month. And a separate private-sector survey found more companies are planning to add workers in the first quarter of next year than at any time since 2008.

Consumers are also growing more confident. The Conference Board said Tuesday that its consumer confidence index rose to 64.5 in December, the highest reading since April.

Still, the economy and job market remain vulnerable to setbacks.

Economists view Europe as the biggest threat to the global economy in 2012. Europe is expected to fall into recession as banks reduce lending and countries cut spending and raise taxes in response to a simmering government-debt crisis.

In the worst case, a government default could destabilize the eurozone financial system and trigger a global panic.

Economists are also concerned that consumer spending in the U.S. could taper off if wages – which did not keep up with inflation in 2011 – do not rise faster or if families decide to purchase less on credit.

In November, the unemployment rate fell to 8.6 percent from 9 percent to its lowest level since March 2009. About half that decline was attributed to the 315,000 people who gave up looking for work. When people stop looking for a job, the government no longer counts them as unemployed.

Economists surveyed by the AP predict the unemployment rate will fall to 8.4 percent by Election Day.

About 7.2 million people are receiving unemployment benefits. Congress agreed last week to keep the emergency benefits that half of them depend on for another two months, instead of letting them lapse at the end of this year.

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03:48 PM on 01/06/2012
The corporations would make sure that you work minimal hours so you do not qualify for unemployment. People are not getting the hours required to sign up for unemployment. This is no recovery and nothing to be proud of.
nothingchanges
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11:13 AM on 01/01/2012
IMPO the "Quantity" of jobs isn't nearly as important as the "quality" of the jobs.

If we're losing 100,000 jobs that pay middle class wages, and adding 150,000 jobs that pay minimum wage, how is that a benefit?

The jobs added TOTALS are very impressive, but the amount of money put into circulation through employment is still shrinking.

Time to look at the total picture, not just the numbers.

"There are three kinds of lies. Lies. Damned Lies. and Statistics"
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johnnymainstreet
12:38 PM on 01/01/2012
Nothingchanges, great post, totally agree. That's the problem with all this statistics they spew out, there half truths. You know the old saying if something is a half truth, what's the other half? and as you point out this is exactly the problem It isn't the number of jobs, it's the quality of jobs. Our economy is replacing well paying middle class jobs with minimum wage jobs and somehow they spin this into "things are getting better". As the article mentions, claims for unemployment benefits are going down, but that's just because people have been giving up. The spin they try to put on things is truly unbelievable.
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Timma
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03:36 PM on 12/31/2011
Good news for Obama! Eat crow Repubs...
11:58 AM on 12/31/2011
Where are the jobs Boehner?

Too busy voting to end Medicare and replace it with a voucher.

These Republicans are too extreme and only care about the top 1% and their donors.
11:55 AM on 12/31/2011
The Republicans are doing their best to hurt the economy for political purposes.

These are cold, cruel and heartless people.

The party of "I've got mine and you are on your own" need to be voted out of office so that they can see what it is like to be unemployed in America today.
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kemcha
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05:38 PM on 12/30/2011
I find it absolutely hilarious that the media always reports on how unemployment has dropped since almost a year ago. That is no indication about unemployment. Let's talk about the *still* 15 million unemployed Americans who continue to remain without jobs and who have exhausted their unemployment.

Why isn't anyone speaking for the 99ers, the longest termed unemployed?
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MiddleMolly
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07:17 PM on 12/30/2011
Unfortunately, there are no real numbers on how many have lost their benefits and are still without jobs. There are all kinds of speculation, but nobody keeps these figures. However, if people who have exhausted their benefits are still actively looking for work, they are counted among the 13,300,000 "official" unemployed.

Only about 7,000,000 of the 13,300,000 "officially" unemployed now collect unemployment benefits. We don't know how many of the people who are not getting benefits never qualified for benefits and how many have exhausted their benefits. We do know that 1,000,000 of the officially unemployed are job leavers, who do not get unemployment benefits. Another 3,300,000 are "job reentrants", few of whom are collecting benefits, and another 1,200,000 are new entrants into the job market, so they will also not be eligible for benefits. So 6,300,000 minus 5,500,000 means that at most 1,000,000 of the officially unemployed have exhausted all of their benefits and are still actively looking for work.

There is another figure, people unemployed who "want a job" but haven't looked recently which is now at 6,595,000 . Again, we don't know how many of the people who "want a job" are people who exhausted their benefits and have given up looking for jobs. (We can't count people as exhaustees if they are no longer looking for a job, and no longer even want a job, can we?)

Therefore:
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MiddleMolly
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07:18 PM on 12/30/2011
The total number of people who are not working at all, who still want a job, and who have exhausted all their benefits could be as low as a few million and could be as high as 7,600,000. To get that high number of 7,600,000, you'd have to assume that all people who "want a job" (6,595,000) and all of those who are officially unemployed, not receiving benefits, and not job leavers, job re-entrants, or new jobseekers, (leaving about a million people out of the officially unemployed) are people who have actually exhausted all of their benefits.

Now 7,600,000 is a big, big number. And those people are among the last of the people to be rehired.

But people who actually received 99 weeks of unemployment compensation may actually be lucky compared to people who got laid off in late 2010 or 2011. Those people, still entering a really lousy job market with a high unemployment rate, will get at most only 79 weeks or even 59 weeks if the Repubs get their way.
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kemcha
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11:31 PM on 12/30/2011
The "official" reported numbers do not count the unemployed who have exhausted their benefits. The only unemployed that are counted are those who are searching for employment by filling out applications and those who are collecting unemployment or who have filed new claims. The 99ers simply aren't counted in the official tally because they have dropped off ...
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vippy
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02:25 PM on 12/30/2011
XMAS Business was so lousy that the day after XMAS Sears/K-Mart announced to close 120 stores and Walmart, bless their CEOs, are cutting their full time employees to 34 hours per week.  Now tell us again how the job market will be better next year with government and states still laying off because of lack of revenue.  Lack of revenue low income for the masses, the rich not paying their taxes and the corporations not paying their taxes.  But is our government downsizing?  Nope, they will find extra trillions for the looming Iran War.
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Bart DePalma
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09:19 AM on 12/30/2011
"The number of people applying for unemployment benefits each week has dropped by 10 percent since January. The unemployment rate, 8.6 percent in November, is at its lowest level in nearly three years."

Please.

The first time applications for unemployment benefits are a function of layoffs and their normal rate during full employment is around 250,000 per week - 120,000 less than today. The current figures merely show that businesses are laying off people at a somewhat lesser rate than over the summer.

New hiring needs to average about 150,000 a month just to keep up with the new entrants into the workforce and has not done so in 2011. The only reason the U3 unemployment rate is down is because the civilian labor force against which it is measured is shrinking to its lowest levels since women worked as homemakers because the long term unemployed are going onto SSI and the young folks are staying in school accumulating debt hoping to wait out the recession.

We are in the trough of the first L shaped recession since the Great Depression with no one predicting anything close to a normal business cycle recovery.
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vippy
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02:26 PM on 12/30/2011
5% unemployment is considered full employment for a country.  Look around, by my own gathered figures I come up with 36% unemployment and I believe it to be higher since they don't count certain
employment categories or people that did not hold a job long enough to qualify for the UI.  Why again did our government change the way they report figures, yep, guess why, all to deceive the real picture!
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MiddleMolly
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07:37 PM on 12/30/2011
Come on, vippy: 36%? I'm stunned at the misinformation that surrounds unemployment/employment numbers. Where did you get those numbers? Would you count people who say that they don't want a job?

Now, if you count people who are actively looking for work (That's 8.6%) and people who "want a job" but haven't looked lately, you get about 13%. If you add the part-timers who want full-time work, you get about 17.6%. Those are big numbers, but they compare to about 9.8% for those same categories at the peak of the economy in 2007.

The unemployment rate has NOTHING TO DO with whether or not people get unemployment benefits. Those two reports, the monthly report with jobs numbers and unemployment rates, come from different sources than the weekly report with unemployment claims. People are counted in the 8.6% unemployment rate if they are unemployed and actively looking for work, whether or not they are new jobseekers, whether or not they get unemployment benefits.

The government has not changed the way it reports the base unemployment amount for decades. It made adjustments in 1994 and changed the way it counted discouraged workers, but nothing else. Actually, the adjustments it made in 1994 came up with a higher unemployment rate by about 500,000 people.

The 5% considered full employment is based on the same calculations as the 8.6%. Most countries now have similar ways of calculating unemployment.

Again, where do people get such misinformation?
09:07 AM on 12/30/2011
Just taking the opportunity to wish everyone God's richest blessings as we approach the New Year. Thanks also to the Huffington Post for providing a forum where we are all able to express our opinions and share with a broad and diverse audience. I also pray that God will intercede in their continued success in upholding same standard. I absolutely love this avenue and will continue to utilize throughout 2012. In the meantime, Jesus lives, he loves, he cares, he redeems, he promises hope through the power of our almighty God who created heaven on earth. Focus on him, focus on the positive, explore our personal potential and figure ways in which we can make an active and constructive contribution to the healing of a nation. Forget about our selfish desires and meet a need, eg. $1.00 to a man that is hungry is far more than a million. It is always the little things that matter so let that be the resolution. How on earth do we expect God to shower down blessings when we don't even want to call on his name or listen to his word. WAKE UP AMERICA. One Love.
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vippy
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02:27 PM on 12/30/2011
God does not provide anything, people do!
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Norma Ward
07:21 AM on 12/30/2011
If you look behind the jobless claims and unemployment headline numbers, you will find that over 20 percent of metropolitan areas in the United States still have U3 unemployment rates in excess of 10 percent. While this is down marginally from peaks in 2009 - 2010, employment and by extension, economic health, is far from robust as shown here:

http://viableopposition.blogspot.com/2011/11/life-in-metropolitan-america-is-it.html
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MiddleMolly
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01:56 AM on 12/31/2011
Ay! I don't know who wrote that article about unemployment, but whoever wrote it completely misinterpreted one of the graphs, making me skeptical of the whole article.

In particular, in the second graph, the author references and includes a Table D from the BLS LAUS report (Regional and State Employment and Unemployment), which was released in November. However, Table D does not show unemployed people, as the author states, but it shows JOBS. Georgia lost jobs in the 12 month period mentioned; all of the other listed states gained jobs!

BLS reports monthly numbers from two main sources: The first is the Current Population Survey; the second is the Establishment Survey. The CPS is used to determine unemployment rates, and it shows how many people are employed and unemployed, breaking down the working population by age, sex, race, education, etc. The Establishment Survey reports numbers of jobs as reported by employing companies and agencies.

To complicate matters, the DOL ETA publishes those weekly reports which are based on reports from the state labor/unemployment insurance agencies. Those numbers are the weekly "initial claims" reports.

A big difference in unemployment rates nationally seems to be based on race and education. Most of the large struggling metropolitan areas have large numbers of minorities who have been hit particularly hard by this recession and have been slow to be rehired.

MORE..
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MiddleMolly
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01:57 AM on 12/31/2011
Part 2..

Considering the mess that the Repubs left the Dems to clean up, starting with the housing bubble which burst before the Dems took over Congress in 2007, it is amazing that there is any recovery at all. This recession should only be compared to the Great Depression. If I recall, it took WWII before the unemployment rate got back down below 10%.

Yes, we have a long, long way to go. Imagine where we would be if only the Repubs were as committed to the American people as they are to getting O out of the White House.art
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kemcha
Advocate for the 99ers
06:00 AM on 12/30/2011
It's simply amazing just how fast the speculators on our economy come crawling out of the woodwork. That's all it is because nobody can foresee job creation. It happens when it happens.
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Minty6
10:07 PM on 12/30/2011
Got a job recently. It's there still.
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modelaford
05:45 AM on 12/30/2011
Not great...but at least we're heading in the right direction. Every bit helps.
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vippy
Carpe Diem!
02:28 PM on 12/30/2011
We are?  How insane.  Go out in the real world and ask employees.  Walmart is cutting their full time employees to 34 hours starting now for the new year.  XMAS Business was so lousy and the WalMart heirs need more billions.
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Minty6
10:07 PM on 12/30/2011
Meaning they work less hours, but they don't earn less.
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MiddleMolly
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02:00 AM on 12/31/2011
We are heading in the right direction, though it is still dreary out there. I know more people working, and working in decent jobs this year than I did a year ago at this time. Some of the long-term unemployed people who post here and at other forums have reported getting jobs during this year. I'm still concerned that we will never get back to where we were unless the country as a whole makes a commitment to the US again being a leader in the world. We have too many people who seem to want the US to assume a Third World status.
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withonor
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03:02 AM on 12/30/2011
Did Tosh write this article? Dane Cook? It's comical.

Using an imaginary number, unemployment percentage, as a basis for an article is ridiculous. Then the "added jobs" figure... You can completely ignore the lost jobs figure to make the "added jobs" figure look better but we know the difference. Government jobs are being lost, and regardless of conservative "ideas" they are jobs. Consumers lost the ability to consume in a consumer economy... It's a bad thing...

2008 began 156 weeks ago. Unemployment is 99 weeks. Since people being unemployed isn't the metric we draw from, just those "applying for unemployment", it's easy to see why "unemployment" looks better.

Reality? Facts? Not important to the stock market. Stock gamble... Get your tickets now and see if the government will pay off again...
11:23 AM on 12/30/2011
The answers lie in the Labor Dept Out of Labor Force category (Employment-Population ratio or Labor Force Participation Rate) not in a fake, totally misleading 8.6 unemployment rate. The small print states BLS doesn't accumulate the unemployed in U3 or U6 more than 12 months. It permanently removes those it followed and annually flushes it's stats with estimated population growth numbers.

Where did all the jobless go? How are they surviving? It matters today and tomorrow.
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vippy
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02:29 PM on 12/30/2011
Thank you for thinking!
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MiddleMolly
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03:24 AM on 12/31/2011
I'm not sure what you are trying to say. This article is not based on an unemployment percentage; it is based on a decreasing level of initial claims for unemployment benefits, which means that employers are laying off fewer people. No, things still aren't great, and many, many people are still suffering.

In terms of lost jobs vs. added jobs, we have been hiring more this year than laying off. The Bureau of Labor Statistics puts out a monthly Job Openings and Labor Turnover Survey which is online.

Unemployment numbers ARE NOT THE SAME as the number of people collecting unemployment benefits. Those figures come from two different sources. People can be actively looking for work for 156 weeks or 200 weeks or 300 weeks. They would still be counted as officially unemployed as long as they were actively looking for work every month.

So... what more don't you understand about the facts of unemployment and unemployment counts?
01:57 AM on 12/30/2011
President Obama is the only person I want in the White House in 2012.
When he focuses on something it gets done. Period.

Obama Focused on Health Care. Done.
Obama Focused on Osama Bin Laden. Done.
Obama Focused on Bank Regulation Reform. Done.
Obama Focused on Saving The Auto Industry. Done.
Obama Focused on D.A.D.T repeal. Done.
Obama Focused on Bringing Home The Troops. Done.
Obama Focused on Increasing Foreign Relations. Done.
Obama Focused on Helping Small Businesses. Done.

President Obama has done everything he promised to do while he was running for President.

Do you honestly think in your heart of hearts that now that he is ready to focus on Job Creation and no longer has to worry about re-election after 2012 that it won't get done?

Vote President Obama 2012 for the future of America.
04:35 AM on 12/30/2011
Oh so focusing on re-election is more important than focusing on jobs...got it.
05:13 AM on 12/30/2011
That was never what I said or what he said. He focused on jobs from the beginning which is why we are in the good position we are in now. We were losing 900,000 jobs a month under President Bush which President Obama answered with a great stimulus package which slowed the bleeding and closed the wound.

Now we are in the healing stages of creating jobs and healing our country.

I will not expect you to see the greatness that President Obama has done for this country because that is not your goal hear on this site. Otherwise you would have answered on one of the many positive things he did instead of focusing on what order he did them.