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Palestinian Officials Denounce Impending Direct Talks With Israel

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First Posted: 01/ 2/2012 12:51 pm Updated: 01/ 2/2012 12:53 pm

JERUSALEM -- On the eve of the first face-to-face talks between Palestinian and Israeli officials in more than a year, officials on both sides seemed to be positioning themselves for the meetings to disappoint, with Palestinian officials in particular denouncing the talks as a waste of time.

"I don't think people should have any expectations or hold their breath in any anticipation," Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the Palestine Liberation Organization's executive committee and frequent critic of her group's policies, told The Huffington Post Monday.

Saeb Erekat, the top Palestinian negotiator, and Yitzhak Molho, the chief negotiator on the Israeli side, are set to meet Tuesday in Amman, in talks that were quietly arranged by officials in Jordan, along with the Quartet of sponsoring nations -- the European Union, the United Nations, Russia and the U.S.

But both Erekat and Mark Regev, a spokesman for the Israeli government, made it clear over the weekend that the talks would begin with both sides deeply divided, even over the very premise of their meeting.

While Palestinians have said they will not engage in formal peace talks until Israel suspends settlement activity, the Israelis insist that they would only negotiate without such preconditions.

"The Quartet put out a statement calling on the parties to return to the direct talks without preconditions," Regev told HuffPost on Monday, adding that while Israel had embraced that call, if talks stumbled Israel would consider it the fault of the Palestinians.

"We hope that the Palestinian side is now rethinking their previous position."

Palestinian officials, meanwhile, contend that until Israel halts settlement activities in the West Bank, talks between the nations can be little more than superficial chatter.

"Coming to the table now doesn't mean anything except that Israel will use it to avoid any accountability, and the U.S. will use it to say that they're engaged in negotiations without having to do anything," Ashrawi said.

"What is needed is not just negotiation for the sake of negotiation, or even lip service or even a photo op," Ashrawi added. "This is ridiculous. ... It is just the semblance of a so-called peace process with no reality."

On Monday evening, top officials with Hamas, the other leading Palestinian organization, joined the chorus of naysayers, calling on the Palestinian Authority to boycott the talks.

"These meetings are a repetition of a track that had failed over the past years," Hamas spokesman Sami Abu Zuhri said in an emailed statement, according to Ha'aretz, an English language Israeli paper.

The talks in Amman come just a few weeks before a three-month deadline to return to the negotiating table laid out by the Quartet during hasty discussions at the U.N.'s general assembly in September, part of an attempt to forestall a Palestinian statehood bid.

On Sunday Secretary of State Hillary Clinton welcomed the news that Palestinian and Israeli officials would meet face-to-face.

"We are hopeful that this direct exchange can help move us forward on the pathway proposed by the Quartet," Clinton said in a statement. "The status quo is not sustainable and the parties must act boldly to advance the cause of peace."

Defenders of the talks argue that much of the posturing over the past few days may be only a smokescreen, a "face-saving way back" to the table, in the words of Robert Danin, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and consultant to the Quartet process.

"Let them call it whatever they like," Danin tweeted Sunday in response to cynical comments about the prospects of Tuesday's talks. He added: "Intentions less important than interests. Still, only one way to test it."

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07:29 PM on 01/07/2012
Basically, the palestinian position can be summed up as, "We have no desire to compromise for peace and our position is not that bad, so we will wait for the world to unilaterally impose a solution on israel".

Something that will never happen.
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50Yard
07:07 PM on 01/04/2012
The Jews made peace with Egypt, Jordan and...Germany. The Palestinians can't make peace with each other.

Any questions??
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
08:42 PM on 01/04/2012
When were the Jews at war with Germany?
Rosin the Bow
Hail to the Victors Valiant
08:18 AM on 01/05/2012
You're right. Germany never did anything offensive to Jews!
11:22 AM on 01/05/2012
Many Israelis can't make peace with each other either.
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50Yard
11:54 AM on 01/05/2012
I am an Israeli, and as far as I know we have 1 government, 1 Army, 1 President, 1 Prime minister. You know exactly what I mean, don't be cute.
03:27 PM on 01/04/2012
The whole world thought Israel wanted peace, turns out they only want land and power.
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
03:38 PM on 01/04/2012
That will come as a shock to Egypt, with whom Israel gave up land and power for peace. But by all means, don't let facts rain on your hatefest.
05:31 PM on 01/04/2012
The land that Israel gave up was egypts,,, so what
05:50 PM on 01/04/2012
That's was probably a joke, "Israel gave up land and power", ha ha ha! Claiming the Sinai belonged to Israel now?
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Cyrus Trance
04:21 PM on 01/04/2012
The whole world never thought the Palestinians wanted peace but this is further proof.
09:11 PM on 01/04/2012
Don't try to confuse Hamas with the entirety of the Palestinian people....they are NOT the same.

And bear in mind that there are enough religious fanatics among the Israelis who also demand that there be no peace and no Palestine.
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
03:23 PM on 01/04/2012
The true, ugly face of the Palestinian people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRyyyUM1Z8s

All you need for Palestinian violence is a car with Israeli license plates driving by. How is ANYONE supposed to make peace with people like that?
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
04:00 PM on 01/04/2012
So a group of teenagers attacking a car is your evidence for concluding that Palestinians are peace hating people. I'm not sure what kind of world you're living in but here in America some people still attack or kill others because of the color of their skin or their ethnicity. Go to south central in Los Angeles, you'll see more violence than just a group attacking a car. Does that conclude that all Americans are peace hating people?
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
04:27 PM on 01/04/2012
Silly sonic, you really think this is the first time such a thing has happened? It happens ALL THE FREAKING TIME, practically on a weekly basis. Most of the time the Israelis get away with their lives but not always:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Ramallah_lynching

But my point stands: All the Israelis need to do is be in proximity to Palestinians and suddenly violent extremists come out of the woodwork to try and kill them. Would *you* make peace with people like that?
07:42 PM on 01/07/2012
Are you honestly suggesting that a similar thing would happen to a white person in south central?

A white person can walk around with no more danger to themselves than a black person in even the most destitute and disadvantaged african american majority areas in the country today. Because while there may be a violent crime problem in some of ameica's urban areas, the overwhelming majority of african americans, even in the worst neighborhoods, don't have a violent hatred of white people. Your comment was incredibly bigoted.

This has everything to do with the fact that the entirety of palestinian political thought is violent anti-zionism.
05:39 PM on 01/04/2012
yes like the ethical settlers marching and destroying olive trees... never look into a mirror and see the realities..
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
07:29 PM on 01/04/2012
People aren't olive trees.

Stop deflecting.
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Bar Kokhba
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01:12 PM on 01/04/2012
The unchallenged canard that Israel is impeding a peace deal due to "settlements" is in complete contradiction to the facts. The very act of making such a demand (cessation of building) constitutes a violation of the Oslo Accords, or more precisely of the Interim Agreements between the Israelis and the Arabs, signed and witnessed by the European Union, Egypt, Jordan, Russia, and Norway, and of course by the United States, on 28 September 1995 (see Article XVII, para. 1). See inter alia annex to UN document A/48/486-S/26560 dated 11 October 1993.

Article 27 of Annex III (Civil Affairs Annex), grants full rights for construction powers to the respective authorities (in this case, the Israeli Government, and the 'PA' or 'Palestinian Authority'). Judea & Samaria were split into three zones: A, B and C. In Zone A, all control (including security) was handed over to the PA. In Zone B, all control except security, was handed over to the PA. Only in Zone C - which includes Israeli villages and Israeli military installations, was full control retained by the Israeli authorities. In all of these zones (including C), the situation was agreed upon by the Israelis, the 'Palestinians', and was given official sanction in the aforementioned UN documents (supra).
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Sonic hedgehog
A true word needs no oath
04:57 PM on 01/04/2012
That's not what that article says. Your paraphrasing is not even close what that article says actually:

"ARTICLE 27
Planning and Zoning

1. Powers and responsibilities in the sphere of Planning and Zoning in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip shall be transferred from the military government and its Civil Administration to the Palestinian side. This includes initiating, preparing, amending and abrogating Planning Schemes, and other legislation pertaining to issues regulated by Planning Schemes (hereinafter: "Planning Schemes") issuing building permits and supervising and monitoring building activities.

2. In Area C, powers and responsibilities related to the sphere of Planning and Zoning will be transferred gradually to Palestinian jurisdiction that will cover West Bank and Gaza Strip territory except for the issues that will be negotiated in the permanent status negotiations, during the further redeployment phases, to be completed within 18 months from the date of the inauguration of the Council.

3. a. The Palestinian side shall ensure that no construction close to the Settlements and military locations will harm, damage or adversely affect them or the infrastructure serving them.

b. Accordingly, when the Palestinian side considers that a proposed Planning Scheme pertains to construction which may fall within subparagraph a. above (in particular: waste disposal sites; electric power stations and projects regarding sewage, hazardous materials or which may have a polluting impact), it shall provide the CAC with a copy of such a Planning Scheme prior to its entry into force..."
12:27 PM on 01/04/2012
Tiny Israel (just about the size of New Jersey, one of the smallest of the 50 U.S. states), trying to exist as a normal country like any other, with its citizens just going about their lives like everyone else – working, raising families, studying, listening to music, playing sports, etc. – while some of its most creative minds try to make the world a better place for all.

It's ALSO the nation that has been dubbed an “illegal occupier”, the stumbling block to peace and a threat to its neighbors in the Middle East, throughout decades of baseless, hate-filled propaganda. In actuality, it is surrounded by neighbors who are constantly inciting hatred and violence against it and working towards its destruction, while much of the rest of the world, including politicians and the media, tries to cut it in half and make it even more vulnerable!
02:08 PM on 01/04/2012
Outnumbered it is always depicted as the one acting wrong when it defends itself or builds a home.
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GZLives
06:08 PM on 01/04/2012
F&F
03:12 PM on 01/05/2012
when you build a home on non disputed land build away..when you build a security wall on your land biuild away...when you take someone elses land or property.. then you cross a line? true
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adamben
yes i said yes i will yes
12:07 PM on 01/04/2012
blah, blah, blah...anything to keep not negotiating alive and well.

yes, netanyahu isn't so interested in peace but why hand him such a victory if you really care about palistinian statehood, as part of a two-state solution? lay out a plan that everyone can live with instead of hamas' one-state solution, when they are strong enough after a truce, plan.

israel will keep building so you can act like you have the moral high ground by refusing to negotiate while they are building and then you'll have no land left to negotiate over. nice plan; been working for ya?
04:21 PM on 01/05/2012
No one took land away, so Israel is building on what it rightfully considers to be Israel. The fact that Pals, who have no state, say they disput that , is silly. If they live in Israel but are not citizens then say they want to be considered a stste then go further and say that you cannot build a home while they make disputes, HUH?
Pals are disputing what? Yes tehy live there and were once Jordanians but now they live in Israel and are not citizens but want to dispute it is Israel? And don't let Israelis build homes? They are claiming it is their territory though they are stateless.
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Fireslayer
11:37 AM on 01/04/2012
As an advocate for Palestinian human rights and the Israeli peace movement I fail to see the point anymore in boycotting anything that appears to be talks, direct or indirect, with Israel.

If anything this could be the pulpit Abbas needs to press his case. It is not clear that Netanyahu ever intends to give up an inch of the West Bank and the continuing of the illegal settlement expansion is atrocious. But why forgo the opportunity to shame them in front of the international community and media on these points?
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
11:44 AM on 01/04/2012
Because everyone is pretty much convinced that this is the case already with Netanyahu. How many more times does it have to be shown up? The fear is that this is just more of the "talk'n build" policy on the part of Israeli negotiators. I hope it isn't, and that the Israelis actually come up with something more concrete to the Palestinian proposals.
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erehwon2
12:29 PM on 01/04/2012
(Part 1 of 2)

Frankly, I think that any opportunity to talk is better than none. But I'm perplexed as to how pro-Palestinian folks can say with a straight face that Israel presents the only impediment to peace. A brief review of the two sides' positions:

Israel: The far right has more power in Netanyahu's coalition than they should, but even Netanyahu endorses a two-state solution as part of a peace deal. A strong majority of Israelis likewise favor this and if the Palestinians appeared both willing and able to compromise and forge such a deal, the political pressure on Netanyahu to overcome those right-wingers would be overwhelming. Any deal signed by whatever government is in charge would be enforced and valid.
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12:31 PM on 01/04/2012
(Part 2 of 2)

Palestinians: The "unity" government is anything but unified. Hamas very clearly rejects not only any talks with Israel, but any peaceful solution to the problem. They openly continue to endorse violent means to "liberate" all of Palestine, i.e. destroy Israel. In an effort to promote unity, the PA is moving in policy closer to Hamas. Polls of Palestinians have shown a strong majority favor a two-state solution only as a step to gaining control over all of Israel. Even if the PA makes the unprecedented move of agreeing publicly to make concessions for peace (land swaps, limited ROR), it is unclear whether they have the clout and the support of their own people to back that up with action.

While I'd love to see the PA do just that (as I believe it would be a great first step toward convincing the Palestinian public that it's the right thing to do) it really would be only a first step, as they don't have the mandate from the people to make a deal for them and they would have no way of keeping control of Hamas's violent rejection of any such deal even if they wanted to.

So tell us again how Israel is the only impediment to peace.
Rosin the Bow
Hail to the Victors Valiant
11:58 AM on 01/04/2012
"As an advocate for Palestinia­n human rights and the Israeli peace movement I fail to see the point anymore in boycotting anything that appears to be talks, direct or indirect, with Israel."

Why don't you care about Israeli human rights?
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Fireslayer
03:32 PM on 01/04/2012
Apart from issues of peace and non-violence I do not see any significant human rights issues to raise regarding Israeli human rights. They may be suppressing rights of their citizens and certainly the 22 to 35 (depending on who believes) or so laws that discriminate against Palestinians- primarily in housing, perhaps needs a look. But otherwise Israel has one of the best human rights records in Israel proper compared to anywhere in the region.

On the other hand, the sub-apartheid occupation regime in the illegally occupied West Bank is a human rights horror show for the Palestinians.

I hope that clears that up for your. Shalom and salam.
11:25 AM on 01/04/2012
Remember, Israel only wants peace---or is it piece--a piece of this and a piece of that.
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Gui Montag
Former Palestinian Supporter
11:29 AM on 01/04/2012
That's what the Palestinians want you to believe. Fortunately, informed people know better.
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12:57 PM on 01/04/2012
as opposed to the Pals who want a piece of an entity that never existed
12:11 PM on 01/05/2012
Actually THe Pals want to build their state on the ashes of an annihilated Israel. Not gonna happen

Keep dreamin Palsabarist terrorist apologists
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pkafin
11:00 AM on 01/04/2012
I still don't understand why the Palestinians hold out on this precondition. It gets them nowhere and it hands the ability to prevent negotiations to a small section of intransigent hard right Israelis.
01:29 PM on 01/04/2012
because they just cannot get past that "we want it all" mentality
03:27 PM on 01/05/2012
Greater Israel.. remember both sides right wing wants it all....save the gaza strip...
12:11 PM on 01/05/2012
Arafat - in charge for decades never stopped because of house building. Neither did Abbas till Obama mentioned it

Funny that
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pkafin
01:38 PM on 01/05/2012
So you think Obama is in league with the Israeli rightists? That's a new take on things.
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Sam Adamson
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08:52 AM on 01/04/2012
One can only admire the Palestinians' consistency in turning any Lemonade into Lemons.
08:45 AM on 01/04/2012
"While Palestinians have said they will not engage in formal peace talks until Israel suspends settlement activity, the Israelis insist that they would only negotiate without such preconditions."

Memo to the Israeli government and their reptilian spokesman Regev: Your continual effort to spin the suspension of settlement activity is not a precondition. It's your sneaky way to further prevent any negotiations.

In addition, the settlement freeze is a Quartet and Oslo committment and an obligation Israel undertook when it signed on to the 2003 international roadmap for peace plan by Israel years ago and you have not honored ANY of those committments, no surprise there.

Then there is the Fourth Geneva Convention's strictures that absolutely forbid the transfer of the occupying power's population to those territories.

Do you really thinnk that none of us can read, google, or disseminate information.

A couple good things will come out of this. The Palestinians will eventually have to thank the you for building them all those nice houses free of charge and of course you jews can stay and live in Palestine if you want to but you will be subject to Palestinians laws - up to and including home dispossession, or you can continue to be shunned and de-legitimized by the world for your apartheid oppression of the people who live on the land before you arrived in 1948.

Is that clear enough for you? Good.
Rosin the Bow
Hail to the Victors Valiant
09:09 AM on 01/04/2012
Interesting how the Palestinians claim to be suffering so mightily under the occupation, but they can't be bothered to lift a finger to end it while evil Israel is letting Jews build houses.
09:13 AM on 01/04/2012
The Palestinia­ns will eventually have to thank the you for building them all those nice houses free of charge and of course you jews can stay and live in Palestine if you want to but you will be subject to Palestinia­ns laws - up to and including home
who said that the Jews could live in "palestine" - certainly not the pali's who have kept "palestine" Judeinfree thus far and will continue to do so
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Original Intent
Because "Shall" is a directive, not a suggestion.
12:18 PM on 01/04/2012
Meanwhile, back in reality... Palestine does not actually exist, except as a territory with Jewish folks living in it, much as Palestine was a territory with Jewish folks living in it before the state of Israel.
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Cyrus Trance
04:28 PM on 01/04/2012
Settlements are not under Palestinian law, they are being built on non sovereign land.
Michael II
Neither the one, nor the only
04:57 AM on 01/04/2012
So at the meeting, the Palestinians provided details of their border proposals and security arrangements. The Israeli representatives "promised to respond to the proposals in future meetings". So an offer has again been made and we will see how the Israelis react.
01:13 AM on 01/04/2012
This is the stated official policy of the Likud party with regards to an independent Palestinian state.
-The 'Peace & Security' chapter of the 1999 Likud Party platform rejects a Palestinian state.

"The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel’s existence, security and national needs."

The PA realizes that talking to Israel for peace and freedom is like talking to a dry wall. Only difference is that this dry wall has literally an entire wall built around your homeland.
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Json
Cynical dreamer, sarcastic idealist...
10:13 AM on 01/04/2012
And since 1999, Netanyahu has moderated his position and endorsed the 2-state solution.

How about the Hamas charter? Ever take a glance at that?
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pkafin
10:57 AM on 01/04/2012
The Likud party platform from 1999, when they were out of power and keen on opposing the Oslo process, has little bearing on today's situation. Netanyahu has endorsed a 2 state solution. And, despite the fact that he is currently prime minister, the Likud has not actually won a country wide general election anytime since 1996.
11:47 PM on 01/03/2012
Look, berating the Israelis will get no one anywhere; I have my own objections to their foreign policy outlook, and consider some of their long-term strategic thinking seriously flawed. I am not going to suggest that they pack up and leave, but it is not a knee-jerk Pavlovian response to hearing the word 'Israel'. They were told to fight for it in 1947, and they prevailed... Kudos.

By the same token, constantly reinforcing the view that paints the Palestinians as dupes at best and slope-browed atavistic savages worthy only of contempt at worst, is not particularly productive; Hamas are as power-hungry as any of the old guard at the top of the PLO and that just make their base of support wider. Most Palestinians in general are probably a fairly decent bunch if you are willing to meet them halfway. Same probably goes for most Israelis

I am proud to say that I haven't bought into anyone else's bulls--t in a very long time. If you get the impression that I'm being handy with a pitchfork, rest assured the mess is all mine.

Sometimes, when everyone leaves the negotiating table feeling miserable, it means that the people they are negotiating for will get a measure of justice and peace. Israelis and Palestinians have too much skin in the game not to try for both.
08:09 PM on 01/07/2012
Great, even-handed comment.

We need more people like you posting here.