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Saudi Arabia: Only Women Can Work In Lingerie Stores

01/ 2/12 10:33 AM ET   AP

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi Arabia said Monday it will begin enforcing a law that allows only females to work in women's lingerie and apparel stores, despite disapproval from the country's top cleric.

The 2006 law banning men from working in female apparel and cosmetic stores has never been put into effect, partly because of view of hard-liners in the religious establishment, who oppose the whole idea of women working where men and women congregate together, like malls.

Saudi women – tired of having to deal with men when buying undergarments – have boycotted lingerie stores to pressure them to employ women. The government's decision to enforce the law requiring that goes into effect Thursday.

The country is home to Islam's holiest site in the city of Mecca and follows an ultra-conservative form of the religion known as Wahhabism.

The kingdom's religious police, under the control of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, enforce Saudi Arabia's strict interpretation of Islam, which prohibits unrelated men and women from mingling. Women and men in Saudi Arabia remain highly segregated and are restricted in how they are allowed to mix in public.

The separation of men and women is not absolute. Women in Saudi Arabia hold high-level teaching positions in universities and work as engineers, doctors, nurses and a range of other posts.

The strict application of Islamic law forced an untenable situation in which women, often accompanied by uncomfortable male relatives, have to buy their intimate apparel from men behind the counter.

Over the past several weeks, some women have already begun working in the stores. Although the decision affects thousands of men who will lose their sales jobs, the Labor Ministry says that over 28,000 women, many of them South Asian migrants, have already applied for the jobs.

Saudi's Arabia's most senior cleric, Sheik Abdul-Aziz Al Sheikh, spoke out against the Labor Ministry's decision in a recent sermon, saying it contradicts Islamic law.

"The employment of women in stores that sell female apparel and a woman standing face to face with a man selling to him without modesty or shame can lead to wrongdoing, of which the burden of this will fall on the owners of the stores," he said, urging store owners to fear God and not compromise on taboo matters.

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07:18 PM on 01/04/2012
So, I presume the quotation at the end is from the sermon by Sheik Abdul-Aziz Al Sheikh?
This means the issue is really that if women can’t purchase things themselves but are embarrassed by getting a male relative to ask an unknown man to handle their ‘personal’ items in the transaction,
that they’d prefer that the male relative purchases from a woman whom they wouldn’t feel embarrassment over the personal nature of women’s wear.

If this is not the case and women can make purchases directly then surely SA-AAS can see the equivalent immorality in a woman purchasing from a man as the current situation seems to suggest rather than purchasing from a woman.

If the situation is a man purchasing a surprise for his wife then he purchases from a man not a woman so I presume that situation is ok.

The simple solution is a lingerie store divider where men are on one side and women on the other. A bit like their parliament building. Why not? They’ve loadsa money?

Or another issue might be that this all has to do with the assimilation and struggle of Neo-Platonism versus Aristotelian philosophies into the Islamic tradition resulting in logical inconsistencies being exhibited down to this very day?

It’s certainly a problem in Christendom, but on the wane since the renaissance (resurgent a bit in America though)
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Seaniebhoy
01:07 PM on 01/04/2012
Is this really news? Even in western countries you don't get a glutton of men working in lingerie shops...hell, I wait outside of Victoria Sectret if me wife is shopping rather than go in.
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rhettphive
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02:06 PM on 01/04/2012
That is the point of the story. The women feel uncomfortable having a man sell them undergarments. They want women to work there so they feel comfortable. If you read closely the article states that only men can work in the stores, before this passed. In western cultures without these laws men and women can choose to work anywhere.
11:31 AM on 01/04/2012
I was once given a book whilst aboard an Iranian ship that was called, "A woman's place in Islam". It was written in English and when I returned home to the UK, I told my wife, "Well that does it, I'm changing my religion" and then passed the book on to her to read. Needless to say, she didn't get the joke after reading some of it and the neighbours could hear her shouting at me from the other end of the street. They do have a very strange attitude to a woman's worth and that will never be accepted in the West. Women are considered unclean and are only placed on this earth for man's pleasure...you can imagine what kind of reaction that got from my wife.
01:10 PM on 01/04/2012
Nice story, I belive you.
02:03 AM on 01/05/2012
That's because it's true. I spent three weeks aboard that Iranian ship installing a maintenance computer. During that time, the ship sailed from Kharg Island, Iran to just south of the Suez canal. As the ship was too large to pass through the canal, the oil cargo was pumped into tanks ashore and from there it was pumped to more tanks at the north end of the canal. It was during that pumping operation that a miracle happened....the oil changed nationality and this is why I laughed when I read that the EU were going to impose further sanctions on Iranian oil imports.
02:50 AM on 01/05/2012
Further to that story and my experience on board an Iranian supertanker. On the bridge one day I was talking to the Iranian 2nd officer and he was complaining about his conditions and pay. I explained that I couldn't understand this since they'd had their revolution and everyone was suposed to be happy. His main complaint was that It appears he was only being paid the equivalent of US$19 a month. I suggested that since he had qualifications, why didn't he just jump ship and seek employment elsewhere. His reply was that his passport and qualifications certificates had been taken from him on joining the ship and should he desert, his entire family would suffer from the authorities as a consequence. Now you have to consider that this guy was in control of a massive tanker, on the bridge and on his own and yet he was only considered to be worth US$19 a month. I pointed out to him that the ship was full of Iranian crude oil worth many millions of dollars.....where does all the money go? He smiled, rolled his eyes up into his head, turned around and tapped his back pocket, implying that the powers in Iran were syphoning it off.
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Dallas D Snell
09:50 AM on 01/04/2012
One step forward two steps back.
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Seaniebhoy
01:08 PM on 01/04/2012
How exactly?
09:11 AM on 01/04/2012
Okay, but who will watch the security cameras watching the women sell to women?
And who will watch the watchers? And who will handle the money that is used to pay for
girly things? Shouldn't this money be put in a separate bag and that bag be sent overseas?
So many questions! How does one say 'tref' in Arabic?
08:07 AM on 01/04/2012
LOL,this country is as lame as Egypt where they ban women from touching any fruit or vegetable that looks like a penis.
07:01 AM on 01/04/2012
Obviously this is 10000000000% America/Israel's fault.
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Nick Mages
05:18 PM on 01/04/2012
I see where you are coming from. Here:

Obviously America/Israel's actions over the last 60 years in the middle east have done nothing to provoke any sort of animosity towards the west. They just hate us for our freedom and that's why 9/11 happened.
03:18 AM on 01/04/2012
They look like slaves. Why is it we cannot drill for oil in the US?
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Nick Mages
05:20 PM on 01/04/2012
We can, Alaska wildlife reserves, Florida everglades - and let's really start getting down to business in the Gulf. But first loosen some of these environmental regulations, they're strangling job creators!
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ScarlettMocha
The Truth is Relative, relatively speaking
05:40 PM on 01/04/2012
How about we start in your backyard and contaminate the water your children drink. Or are you going to vote it be done only in poor neighborhoods. Geez your republicans make me sick.
03:17 AM on 01/04/2012
Obama bowed to the sudie King? Maybe he is a big fan of womens right.
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ladyangelnyc
Living on a prayer...
12:01 PM on 01/04/2012
Maybe you should check what the Republicans have done with him when women's rights were worse in the the few decades and than comment.
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fireart
I got mine the hard way.
02:51 PM on 01/04/2012
uhhhhhhh ????
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Nick Mages
03:15 AM on 01/04/2012
Why did Obama kiss the ring and bow to the Saudis King? How could any American bow to a King that enslaves women ?
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caseyjosh
faber est quisque fortunae suae. aut viam inveniam
09:18 AM on 01/04/2012
Why did both Bushes and Regan hug, kiss and hold hands with the same person.
PS Obama did not kiss any ring.
11:19 AM on 01/04/2012
Well, he can kiss mine.
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Seaniebhoy
01:09 PM on 01/04/2012
I don't see how this is a damaging thing for women's rights?
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mmerteuil
I'm pretty sure I'm connected to the moon.
11:31 PM on 01/03/2012
Well, I'd rather buy my underwear from guys. I've been hit on while paying for knickers and that wasn't the most pleasant experience...
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Kritikos
Intelligence is not a science
10:01 PM on 01/03/2012
فيكتوريا سيكريت
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ScarlettMocha
The Truth is Relative, relatively speaking
05:43 PM on 01/04/2012
english please.
09:50 PM on 01/03/2012
This has more to do with Saudi racism than true concern for women.

In Arabia most of the males who work in such stores are not from Saudi Arabia but are Syrian or Jordanian. The Saudis regard both (but especially the Syrians) as a bit louche.

One more example of the true hypocrisy of pan-Arabism.
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Seaniebhoy
01:10 PM on 01/04/2012
Or maybe women don't feel comfortable buying knickers infront of men...
09:38 PM on 01/03/2012
Finally! I grew up in Saudi Arabia and it was men-only working in all the stores. Though trying on the lingerie was also prohibited...making for a lot of expensive, yet ill-fitting, imported European lingerie.
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Pointless Agony
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08:02 PM on 01/03/2012
I wish American women can dress more conservative as the Saudi Arabia women. Maybe our marriages will last longer
09:51 PM on 01/03/2012
Maybe you should just have your eyes removed rather than dress women up in tents.
11:21 AM on 01/04/2012
Good point..and perhaps take the mind out of the gutter.
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04:09 AM on 01/04/2012
Perhaps Middle Eastern men should learn to accept the full humanity of women, and learn that they are responsible for their own actions and behaviors... not the women who might inspire them. Perhaps teaching normalcy, acceptance of each other, and learning each other's ways might foster greater understanding and trust between the sexes. Marriage should not exist at the expense of liberty, but should be a full partnership equally entered into.
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Seaniebhoy
01:11 PM on 01/04/2012
What does that have to do with the Saudi's banning men from working in knicker shops?