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Christopher Portier, CDC Scientist, Says Tests Needed On Gas Drilling Impact

By KEVIN BEGOS   01/ 4/12 04:24 PM ET   AP

PITTSBURGH -- One of the government's top scientists says much more research is needed to determine the possible impacts of shale gas drilling on human health and the environment.

"Studies should include all the ways people can be exposed, such as through air, water, soil, plants and animals," Dr. Christopher Portier wrote to The Associated Press in an email.

Portier is director of the National Center for Environmental Health at the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

While other federal and state regulators are already studying the impacts of gas drilling on air and water, Portier said research should also include "livestock on farmed lands consuming potentially impacted surface waters; and recreational fish from potentially impacted surface waters."

Portier made clear that the science on the issue isn't settled yet.

"We do not have enough information to say with certainty whether shale gas drilling poses a threat to public health," he wrote. "More research is needed for us to understand public health impacts from natural gas drilling and new gas drilling technologies."

He also suggested pre- and post-testing of private drinking water wells near drilling sites.

Another prominent scientist said the answers won't come quickly.

"I think it will take three to five years to sort through this," Duke University researcher Rob Jackson told AP in an email.

Jackson said that doesn't mean there isn't evidence of water contamination by drilling in some communities_ Wyoming, for example, or Dimock, Pa.

"On the other hand a handful of cases of contamination is not enough to shut down an industry," he said.

Jackson was part of a team behind a much-discussed study last spring on possible water well contamination from drilling in Pennsylvania. Environmentalists hailed the study, while others, including the head of the state Department of Environmental Protection, criticized it.

The question of whether gas drilling causes health impacts has led to angry debates. Some environmentalists and people in communities where drilling is occurring say there are clear and major risks, while the industry says those fears are exaggerated, and that the process been used safely on tens of thousands of wells nationwide. And though regulatory agencies in some states have determined the practice is safe, other states – and recently, the Environmental Protection Agency – have found evidence of contamination from either methane or the fluids used in fracking.

Jackson said both sides in the debate should be prepared for mixed news.

"I suspect what you'll see over the next year or two are new papers that won't find significant evidence of contamination and new papers that will. The best response would be to try and understand what causes the difference," he wrote, adding that extremists on both sides will try and spin all the news.

"Many people outside of the scientific community won't want to accept a mixed message. They'll dismiss one set of papers outright as biased and latch on to the other set that upholds their belief system_on both sides of the issue," Jackson said.

Jackson said researchers may find that drilling is overwhelmingly safe in one area, but not everywhere.

"What's safe in Oklahoma might not be an acceptable risk somewhere else, where the population density is higher. And you have different geology," he said.

Vast deposits of natural gas that couldn't be produced economically just a decade ago are now being unlocked by hydraulic fracturing, or fracking, which involves pumping pressurized water, sand and chemicals underground to open fissures and improve the flow of oil or gas to the surface.

Thousands of the deep wells have been drilled across the nation in recent years, and the shale gas boom is expanding to more and more states. It's generating jobs and enormous profits and is helping to keep energy costs down.

Adding to the confusion, some water wells in Pennsylvania and other states were contaminated with naturally existing methane gas even before drilling began.

Portier said one huge issue is that there is no accepted medical standard for the symptoms that may come from exposure to gas drilling activities.

"This poses an extremely complex problem for epidemiology researchers, given the range of possible environmental exposures that are currently not well defined," he said.

In layman's terms, that means that if a person who lives near a gas drilling site gets sick, doctors don't have enough information to say whether the drilling or other environmental or physical factors are to blame.

But Jackson said the complexity doesn't mean waiting is the only answer.

He's working on a list of recommendations that could help researchers and industry answer some of the key questions about possible methane contamination of drinking water.

In December, the U.S. EPA announced that fracking may be to blame for groundwater pollution in a Wyoming community. But the agency said the findings are preliminary and need more review, and that the fracking that occurred there differed from methods used in other regions with different geological characteristics.

EPA is also working on a nationwide review of fracking, with plans to examine drilling sites in Pennsylvania, Colorado, Louisiana, North Dakota and Texas. The earliest results will be available this year.

EPA has already taken steps recently to boost federal regulation of fracking, announcing it will develop national standards for the disposal of the briny, chemical-laced wastewater and proposing controls on air pollution at oil and gas wells, particularly where fracking is used.

Drillers and many states have resisted enhanced federal regulation, saying it should be left up to individual states.

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ZeraLee
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02:02 AM on 01/09/2012
"On the other hand a handful of cases of contamination is not enough to shut down an industry," he said.

But it is enough to justify greater regulation.
Oginikwe
I think therefore I'm dangerous
12:27 AM on 01/06/2012
So why not stop it until we know for certain that it's safe? Why do we let this go on, let the harm be done, and then decide it's not safe?
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
03:11 PM on 01/05/2012
All those millions of tons of liquid injected deep into the Earth where it is warm must be a breeding ground for the evolution of even more dangerous microbes than we all ready have. As this liquid under pressure moves up though rifts in the rock caused by a constant array of booming earthquake shocks caused by the liquid lubricating and pressing down on the rocks below, it slowly creeps to the surface of the Earth where toxins and deadly microbes get us all. All around us the Earth shall boom, rock, and roll as some kind of evolved toxic radioactive purple stuff oozes out of the ground and claws it way into our homes and beds.
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MilesToGo
01:09 PM on 01/05/2012
Jackson says it will take 3 to 5 years to sort through these fracking issues. In the meantime, we can be certain oil & gas interests will, with ever-increasing intensity, continue drilling--because they control virtually all policy involving hydraulic fracturing, having the politics safely on their side. Recent reports insisting they'll reveal what chemicals they use in their processes is just a side-show to assuage the fact that the drilling is going to happen regardless.

As usual with the energy corporations, once the negative impacts are realized, it's always too late.
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ttigerlilyx2
02:09 PM on 01/05/2012
F&F. Disgusting fact of our life that a handful of greedy people is able to control our lives and health. Whats worse is, they could do so much better and still maintain a huge profit margin yet selfishly choose not to in their quest for money and power.
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ttigerlilyx2
12:08 PM on 01/05/2012
Wow, nearly 11000 comments about a girl shooting an intruder, but a story impacting all our futures only garners 64?
Wheres the sensationalist headlines now? Could it be a case of:
http://naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=39548FF4687EE675D6C5B234338B3E1E
If the link wont work, search SNL's banned episode 'Media Controlled Conspiracy Theory Rock ' Its on youtube. I was not one darn bit surprized it was suppressed, SNL is a little extreme sometimes and this ditty was like a knife to the heart of advertising mysteries we keep asking ourselves about, making many things crystal clear.
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
12:38 PM on 01/05/2012
Earthquakes and toxins are intruders too. If only we could undo them with a double guage shotgun, all would be well. Gun sells must be booming these days.
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ttigerlilyx2
02:11 PM on 01/05/2012
Oh they are, the conspiracy theories have many people 'stocking up'.
The financial crisis is making even reasonable people wonder if they might not ought to follow the 'better safe than sorry' rule.
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
11:29 AM on 01/05/2012
They have just shown with seismic data that the earthquake in Youngstown, Ohio was two miles deep. The wastewater injection well was 9000 ft deep, or about two miles, and the epicenter of the quake was only 100 meters from the injection well. So this is no ordinary quake. France is having trouble with fracking where they are considering a ban, and Britain shut down a well in Blackpoll last year cuz it caused little earthquakes. The landscape seems to be booming, rocking, and rolling all over the world. Now drinking water is at risk.
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11:22 AM on 01/05/2012
"Many people outside of the scientific community won't want to accept a mixed message. They'll dismiss one set of papers outright as biased and latch on to the other set that upholds their belief system_on both sides of the issue," Jackson said.

Mr. Jackson must read HP comments.
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Roshi98
Dum spiro, spero
08:27 AM on 01/05/2012
The United States is becoming the developed world's version of Nigeria.

Anyone who thinks ordinary folks are going to see ANY lasting financial/economic upside to the extraction of these natural resources is fooling themselves. Nearly all of the product will be shipped overseas and once the area has been sucked dry the economic security these communities thought they had will evaporate like a mirage. Midwestern communities are already tearing themselves apart to kowtow to these false prophets (profits) of hope and prosperity. They're willing to endure the possible contamination of their water supplies, destruction and toxification of local habitats, and now even earthquakes in the futile pursuit of the American Dream.

Look at the situation in Nigeria and you have nearly a mirror image of what we now have in the States. Dependency on multinational corporations whose ONLY concern is getting the stuff out of the ground as cheaply as possible with no fealty or lasting connection to the communities from whose ground they take these resources at bargain basement prices.
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12:59 PM on 01/05/2012
So we don`t drill my friend?? That is where you guys lose everyone as to what we are suppose to do. You guys are against anything except solar and wind and some future energy that we haven`t seem to have yet. Oil and gas will be a major part of our lives for years to come. Please explain how we are going to have energy including yourself if we can`t get the oil and gas we need to survive.
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ttigerlilyx2
02:44 PM on 01/05/2012
I'm not against it at all, I just think we are being foolishly short sighted in not getting other forms of energy going now, to ease the transition.
And, sorry, its not about our survival, if you note the record gas EXPORTS.
Its about squeezing Americans, trying to make us think theres a crisis so we put that fire out instead of seeing the big picture.
Use your head, they have manufactored one excuse after another to keep us looking in the wrong direction: advertising energy independence, while using US troops lives to assure their supplies of oil in the middle east. More drilling to lower prices in the US, while they post RECORD profits and record exports.
I'd like you to picture the drought in Texas this last summer, then consider the millions and millions of gallons of water fracking and drilling require.
Now, think where that water came from, and where the waste water is going to?
Who went without, who died of thirst or died desperately trying to drink the brine that replaced the lakes, ponds and well water? All to post more obscene profits by companies who could care less about the suffering, pollution and poisoning left in their wake. Watch 'Tapped' and ask yourself what we REALLY need, and whats just profit mongering.
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Roshi98
Dum spiro, spero
04:45 PM on 01/05/2012
Yours' is a common argument, one which I once shared, until logic and cold water bath of reality woke me up.

It's true that oil and gas will not be supplanted overnight, if ever, entirely. But we need to start basing our decisions on how we use these finite resources in the most intelligent ways. Oil derives MANY different advances in technology, science, medicine. This is a resource we should be striving to avoid using for everyday things, like plastic bags, packaging, transportation, housing, as MUCH as possible. It's not going to last forever and nearly everything we have is based on it. Everything shuts down as it runs out IF we don't change how its consumed.

So we start with efficiency, we start with responsibility, and we start with a shift in consumption. Take the light bulb issue as an example. Who do you think funded the absurd campaign against phasing out inefficient incandescent bulbs - not that class of bulbs, just inefficient ones. Light bulb manufacturers? Nope. They supported the standards. It was oil, gas, and coal companies. They don't want efficiency because efficiency cuts into their profits. Extrapolate that effort to broader issues of building standards, LEED certification, climate change, you can see that the opponents of what we actually need to survive are NOT friends to what we need to do in order to ensure that we do survive.

That's the bottom line.
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alafonse
It's definitely a crap-shoot.
08:05 AM on 01/05/2012
Proof, schmoof. Do a little critical thinking, this is NOT rocket science. Everybody acts like the subterranean rock is just one big contiguous layer with no fault lines in it.
The earth is a constantly moving entity. It may be slow, but it moves. And if it moves, you can bet that there's fault lines. And if there's fault lines, then anything liquid will move over time. And top that off, the frackers are generating more micro fault lines and possibly making small fault lines bigger.
To think that you can pump liquid toxins under pressure into the earth and it won't go anywhere is total bullpucky, promulgated by corporate profiteers.
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
08:22 AM on 01/05/2012
Yes, the Earth is a dynamic system, but Frackers and Injectors foolishly treat it as if it's a static system. All that toxin from those 500,000 injection wells shall travel through rifts in the Earth and enter our drinking water as time passes. It's a slow, but steady process. By the time we realize it's happening it could be to late to save ourselves from the consequences. If Geologist have no way of proving that something is not happening, then they should move with caution. I'm sure that they have no way to find and map all the ever occurring underground rifts. Solid rock isn't always what it seems to be. Rocks move and crack!
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mhh310351
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11:26 AM on 01/05/2012
Proof, schmoof, do a little critical thinking - this occurs a mile below sea level! Do you have a concept how deep that is?
cosmicdart
paragon of paradigms
11:52 AM on 01/05/2012
Lack of the ability to prove that a geological event is happening isn't proof that it isn't happening! Geological science has its limitations. Rifts can form through miles of rock and toxic liquid under pressure could easily move through these rifts flowing for hundreds of miles to the surface. What Geologist must do is prove that it doesn't happen, but they have no way to do so. Perhaps they should frack with explosive nitrogen gas instead of water.It works with airbags, and quit building wastewater injecting wells. I'm not against fracking if it can be done safely.
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MCTSilverlakeCA
retired Sr Litigation Insurance Fraud Manager
04:17 AM on 01/05/2012
Dr Portier's research request will probably be buried under the Chinese's paperwork for buying up majority shares in the oil shale fields the hydraulic fracking is going to happen "In" - According to the "Wall Street Journal" (1/4/2012, pg B-3) Petro-China has of today bought out the entire Athbasca Oil Sands Mackay oil sands field in Alberta, Canada - for multiple billions, (previously buying 60% of it in 2010), and also bought out 1/3rd of 5 US shale* oil sands (*one is limestone) owned by Devon Energy Corp, principally in Ohio and Michigan, "following a path already trod by fellow Chinese oil major Cnooc Ltd." - which ..." in 2010 and 2011 bought into Chesapeake Energy Corp's oil-rich shale fields in southern Texas, as well as fields in Colorado and Wyoming"---. Just selling Our natural resources to a major power country that already has threatened us several times in the last 5 months about our not continuing our defense of our allies and trading partners in the Pacific Rim - and also deliberately telling our US Navy-that China has developed new weaponry that will defeat our Carrier Defense fleet - is no one we should be selling anything of America to -- not to mention the environmental disasters that likely will occur with the type of "oversight" for public safety - that China has practiced so well in recent years....
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contactjohn
03:16 AM on 01/05/2012
Everyone call out the paid liars on all of these sites, as if you cannot tell who the liars are for industry.
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MCTSilverlakeCA
retired Sr Litigation Insurance Fraud Manager
04:20 AM on 01/05/2012
it's the one's with oil smears on their campaign donations now allowed in unlimited amounts under "Citizens United v. FEC" ...
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mhh310351
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11:34 AM on 01/05/2012
I must be somewhere in the middle between the paid liars and the scientifically illiterate. The scientific illiterate that make their judgments based on feelings.

Just like the Duke Study that said more testing is needed the CDC scientist says more testing is needed. I believe the fracking process is a sound and safe way to extract not only hydrocarbons but also geothermal energy as well!

As for flaming faucets I saw that trick in PA in the 60's. Seems there were over 180,000+ oil & natural gas well drilled in PA before they started keeping records of their locations.

From the records provided so far, I wish the airline industry was as safe as fracking to but it in perspective!
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ttigerlilyx2
12:33 PM on 01/05/2012
Part 1
They told everyone the mining done in NE Oklahoma was perfectly safe, now its one of the biggest Superfund sites in the US. The town grew up around the mining, when the mines played out, so did the prosperity. 40 or 50 years of prosperity, several lifetimes worth of clean up. If it can be cleaned, they havent come up with a way yet, and nothing can ever be built there safely. Funny no one ever questions, when contaminated soil is removed, where does it go? Who's communities are unknowingly having it dumped on them?
The EPA had to buy out the entire town of Picher.
It destroyed several communities, from pollution and the earth suddenly caving in, taking homes and businesses. Those companies are long gone with their profits, leaving us to foot the bill for the clean up. This is SOP with energy companies as well.
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ttigerlilyx2
12:39 PM on 01/05/2012
Part 2
If you think fracking is safe, you are a corp man or just determined not to see the truth. We DONT know, theres no way yet to be able to tell yet. The USG guy and the news stations in Oklahoma had lots to say the first 2 days after our fracking quakes, then the real owners of the State, Devon, Chesapeak etc, told them to zip it and zip they did!
I cannot understand how you dont see this is a clear case of theft, they are stealing our health and safety, putting nothing back to redeem the damage they do.
Making out like bandits, laughing all the way to the bank yet you just sit there saying its perfectly safe because theres no evidence YET to the contrary? Wake up.
Your anology of airlines isnt in the same ball park, we all know theres a risk of dying in a crash, but its a risk we all can take PERSONALLY, theres years of disclosure. And a crash wont contaminate everything for miles around for hundreds of years.
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fireofenergy
Promote freedom AND science
02:36 AM on 01/05/2012
If there is a way to frack safely, then do it, because if used as transpo medium, NG would cut excess CO2 by half!... but by all means, realize that politicians have buried all the good solutions!
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alteredstory
Hold on to the center
07:50 AM on 01/05/2012
False savings. NG doesn't cut CO2 emissions.
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beckjr2000
been there done that & tired of it
11:11 AM on 01/05/2012
It would appear that the DoE has a different opinion.

"In a study of CNG and diesel United Parcel Service (UPS) delivery trucks, CNG trucks produced 75% lower carbon monoxide emissions, 49% lower nitrogen oxides emissions, and 95% lower particulate matter emissions than diesel trucks of similar age." See United Parcel Service (UPS) CNG Truck Fleet: Final Results.

http://www.afdc.energy.gov/afdc/vehicles/natural_gas_emissions.html
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Roshi98
Dum spiro, spero
08:19 AM on 01/05/2012
Really? Are all the rigs, vehicles and materials needed (along with the production of those materials) fabricated and run on natural gas? Is the refinement and transportation of that product done using natural gas? Nope, it's not.

Also, this product is NOT staying in the States. Why? Because pretty much everything in this country is 30-40 years behind where it should be (thanks, Ronald Reagan). Instead of being even close to where most of Europe is now, which is predominantly run on NG, we're still an coal/oil/gasoline based society. Probably 90% of that NG is headed overseas.

So much for a cleaner environment, and so much for energy independence. We are becoming the developed world's version of Nigeria.
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mhh310351
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11:43 AM on 01/05/2012
http://205.254.135.7/naturalgas/

" Probably 90% of that NG is headed overseas."

Wrong - not even close - most of what natural gas that is exported goes leaves Alaska for Japan.

Do you have a clue on how natural gas is exported?

As for us and the comparison to Nigeria - such Hyperboles makes it hard to take your post serious.
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Edward Alarcon
02:30 AM on 01/05/2012
Of all fossil fuels available methane aka natural gas is the most abundant fuel available. We produce it everyday as do all who leave waste as it decomposes it produces methane which is the main gas in the Natural Gas we use as fuel. Oil is finite! yet it produces products we could not live without in today's technology. We as responsible humans need to utilize all forms of power, wind, hydro, solar, the tides, to supply that all valuable energy form we can't live without, Electricity!!! In California 75% of the natural gas imported out of state is used to operate steam turbines for electric generation. During the winter months storage fields are used to make up for the lack of receipts, gas supplies from out of state. I worked in the second largest underground storage field in the nation. Number one in deliverability. 1.850 billion cubic feet of natural gas in a 24 hr period... it was fun...
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MCTSilverlakeCA
retired Sr Litigation Insurance Fraud Manager
04:26 AM on 01/05/2012
We'd use some of those alternate methods- but every time we get a stretch of land approved for electrical underground wiring for Wind Generators - the banks get contractors to build 16 room "stock" basic McMansions on the land and then enclose it with private gates and guards for new baby CEO's that only bring home a few millions in golden handshakes a year...We'd build more solar plants - but Edison insists that Nuclear Power accidents couldn't possibly happen here - despite building them on top of faults and next to oceans, and we'd try tide flow generators - except that any level beach not deemed State owned - has a Marina built - or planned- cluttering up it's bays and privatizing it's beaches...
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ttigerlilyx2
02:55 PM on 01/05/2012
Maybe those areas already ruined by pollution shoud be first up for consideration of solar and wind placement. Like Picher, Ok. Can't live or build there because of the mining pollution, so why not consider it a wind/solar array?
Heaven knows theres lots of wind and sun in Oklahoma.
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alteredstory
Hold on to the center
07:52 AM on 01/05/2012
Any product that is petroleum based can be made out of plant matter. We have the technology for it.
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blurredmolly
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08:23 AM on 01/05/2012
legalize the weed, it's the answer.
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fireofenergy
Promote freedom AND science
01:43 AM on 01/05/2012
"Environmentalists hailed the study, while others, including...
the head of the state Department of Environmental Protection, criticized it."
Criticizing a study? What good is the last agency? Should instead simply get rid of "it" and use that money to fund clean energy on a much larger scale.
How? Simple, revert back to the 1960's and implement all the cool stuff these crazy (and opposing) interests have shut down... the liquid fluoride thorium reactor...
AND the industrialism to create the advanced machine automation needed to build 250,000 SQUARE MILES of solar panels. The reactor does not use water for core cooling (which causes the idiotic LWR's of today to virtually guarantee eventual meltdowns!). And the industrialism that was shut down (by greedy corporations that now write our laws for us) "is not sufficient to compete with China". BS!
We the people WANT to exponentiate SOLAR on an ever increasing and cheaper scale... How do we do that? We all form a corporation and write some of our own laws!
12:52 AM on 01/05/2012
If the pipeline does go through, I want legislation that requires the extracted oil "TO STAY IN THE US", not exported to forign countries. If it's so important for our"national security" then make sure in stays HERE.
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MCTSilverlakeCA
retired Sr Litigation Insurance Fraud Manager
04:35 AM on 01/05/2012
Too Late - China (Red China- you know - Communist China?) has already bought up large stakes/shares in US oil Fields owned by Devon Energy Corp in Ohio, Michigan and some others, and from 2010 onwards also bought from Chesapeake Energy Corp - 1/3rd of their oil rich sands fields in southern Texas, Colorado and Wyoming. If you want any of Canada's oil sands- too late - Athabasca Oil Sands Corp sold it's entire MacKay Oil sands field to China- the last 60% very recently, the prior 40% in 2010, China also bought Canadian bankrupt oil sands OPTI Canada, Inc, and China's Sinopec Corp also bought Canadian oil and natural gas company Daylight Energy for 2.2 billion in 2011. --So if you want North America to have any of it's own resources... for US - better squeak up...
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ttigerlilyx2
02:57 PM on 01/05/2012
F&F!