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1 Percent Fail Indiana Job Training Drug Test

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First Posted: 01/04/12 01:50 PM ET Updated: 01/04/12 01:58 PM ET

Just 1 percent of participants in an Indiana workforce training program failed their drug tests, according to the state's Department of Workforce Development.

The department launched its drug testing scheme last July in response to complaints from local businesses that job applicants couldn't pass drug tests, a department spokeswoman said. But of 1,240 job applicants tested from July to December, only 13 failed the test. Three additional people refused to provide a urine sample and seven submitted urine that was too watery.

The Indiana results, which suggest Indiana jobless get high at a lower rate than everyone else, come as Republicans across the country and in Congress clamor for new policies to drug test the poor and unemployed. Though the government's national drug use survey says the jobless are twice as likely to use drugs as the general population, proponents of drug testing haven't cited the survey or specific examples of drug abuse when pushing for stricter policies. Instead they've said drug use is a problem they hear about all the time back home.

"We proposed in the House that states have the ability to drug screen people on unemployment," Rep. Tom Reed (R-N.Y.) said in December. "Why? Take the words of a workforce director back in my congressional district. When he talks to me, he tells me, 'Tom, we spend thousands of dollars trying to reemploy people to get back to work. And then when they go in and take the drug screening test from those potential employers, they fail.' What a waste."

The workforce director in Reed's district, Dan Porter, told HuffPost that over the past three to five years, local businesses report job applicants failing drug tests at a rate of 10 to 30 percent -- but he couldn't provide more precise information.

The low rate of positive tests in Indiana mirrors the experience in Florida, where the local legislature required mandatory drug testing for all welfare applicants over the summer. Just 2.5 percent failed the test before a federal judge halted the initiative on constitutional grounds.

Indiana Workforce Development Commissioner Mark Everson told the Associated Press that Indiana's testing regimen could pass constitutional muster should the American Civil Liberties Union challenge it like the civil rights organization did the Florida law.

Everson said Indiana's drug testing, which cost the state $45,000, at least shooed some people away from the state's job training program. "When people understand you're going to drug test them, they walk away," Everson said. "It discourages people from going through the process."

In the three months before drug testing began, 1,903 people took part in the program. In the next three months, 1,689 participated -- though a department spokeswoman cautioned the start of drug testing coincided with the end of a 2009 stimulus program that helped workers pay the costs of continuing education or training. Precise data on the number of people who participated in that program were not immediately available.

Rep. Dave Camp (R-Mich.), chairman of the Ways and Means Committee in the U.S. House of Representatives, said the panel will hold a hearing on drug use among the unemployed this year.

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Just 1 percent of participants in an Indiana workforce training program failed their drug tests, according to the state's Department of Workforce Development. The department launched its drug testi...
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Miss Muffett 04:28 PM on 01/04/2012
Everson said Indiana's drug testing, which cost the state $45,000, at least shooed some people away from the state's job training program. "When people understand you're going to drug test them, they walk away," Everson said. "It discourages people from going through the process."

Time for a nice, fat cost-benefit analysis!! I don't know what welfare benefits are like in IN (and I'm having some  Read More...
03:52 PM on 01/09/2012
Tell me this then: When are the idiots, morons and the fools who deliberately tanked this economy (and who keep it there) going to be drug tested? God knows. if there was ever a reason to test anyone, this is it!
12:37 PM on 01/07/2012
I've just had the astounding experience of being asked to take a drug test and criminal background check in order to take a volunteer position subsidized by the federal government ( in a program designed to help older workers make the transition back into the labor force). To add insult to injury; I was told that I would have to pay for it myself! Needless to say, I told them to "stuff it". I would be happy to join in any legal action the ACLU wants to initiate in Indiana. It seems that some are trying to overstep the provisions of federal program requirements; and should not be allowed to continue on this path.
01:14 PM on 01/07/2012
I was also told that I had to set up a bank account with direct deposit; or I couldn't be paid the "stipend" the program offers ( minimum wage for 16 hrs of work per week). Otherwise, my supervisor in the program would receive my stipend and I'd have to rely upon this person to pay me! I think this is a mis-interpretation of the law concerning direct deposit of gov't benefits by 2013--I can't believe that the gov't would require you to shell out money to set up a bank account, prior to actually paying you a dime.
This program is operated under a Dept. of Labor grant; and needs better oversight to prevent abuse by contractors given the funds, IMO.
12:59 AM on 01/06/2012
Well, it has been years, but I took a drug screening at a "big box" store (Posted signs read something like: "If you use drugs, do not apply for work. We drug test!" Notice was included as a cover sheet with job applications, and online applications.

I passed (of course), but it was NOT the urine test. Having never seen that drug test before, I asked the HR person about it, and the reply was that 2/3 of applicants fail! Even given that this was years ago, and in a different area, I wondered if the "detox" products and techniques had become effective in defeating the urine drug testing. The extreme difference in the Indiana results and the anecdotal (and self-serving) 2/3 info have me wondering about randomly applying the alternative testing, and comparing results then.

Question: is the alternate test more sensitive, and is accurate? By the way, the watery samples mentioned -->could be
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Jim NLN
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02:18 PM on 01/05/2012
When the republicans take over they are going to start drug testing Social Security recipients and Medicare patients for drugs. Fail a test and get denied benefits. The AARP is on their side.
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dimplesmile7
01:48 PM on 01/05/2012
Republicans are bullying the unemployed for no reason other than they have no money or power. I bet the people working that have a steady incomes are the ones with the drugs.
12:20 AM on 01/06/2012
Agree!
11:04 AM on 01/05/2012
1% failed? I'm not suprised as Meth only stays in your body 3-7 days.
10:48 AM on 01/05/2012
Just another proven fact, that Republicians are part of the problem rather then part of a solution.
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Raccoon1
These are the times that try men's souls........
09:58 AM on 01/05/2012
Why not drug test corporate CEO's? Many get 'free money' from the government in the form of subsidies, etc.
09:03 AM on 01/05/2012
Drug tests by employers are an invasion of privacy and should be illegal. If someone does their job satisfactory then what does it matter what they do after work. If they don't do the job well, then fire them.

Drug tests by the govrnment to any law abiding citizen not convicted of any crime is an even worse invasion of privacy.

I do not use any drugs except alchohal, but I know lawyers, judges, policemen and profesionals of many sorts who smoke weed in the evenings. This does not effect how they perform the next day at work.

We need to stand on principal and refuse to submit to drug tests of any kind.
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09:55 AM on 01/05/2012
NO and

WRONG
10:01 AM on 01/05/2012
Go back to your flock.
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12:31 PM on 01/05/2012
I agree that it is an invasion of privacy. However, we have so vilified drugs that employers have opted to use drug tests to screen applicants, similar to their use of background checks and credit reports.

I absolutely agree that no government agency should be permitted to use drug tests as a reason to deny a citizen benefits.

But when it comes to private businesses and employment contracts, it is up to the parties involved to agree on the terms of the contract. An applicant may choose not to submit to a drug test, and an employer may choose not to use a drug test to screen applicants. In this situation, I don't think the government should get involved.

Now, if we were to end this senseless charade of the government trying to decide which substances are permissible and which are illegal for citizens to use, then we might be able to make some real progress...
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Jeanette DeBella Bogue
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08:14 AM on 01/05/2012
Only 1%? Come on!
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12:32 PM on 01/05/2012
People who were using illicit substances that knew there would be drug testing did not participate...
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grant06
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06:33 AM on 01/05/2012
You're unemployed and buying illegal drugs? Not likely.
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msanonymous222
Dismiss whatever insults your own soul.
10:23 AM on 01/05/2012
Well, that's the other part of this. When I was unemployed, I barely...and I mean BARELY...had enough to pay my rent, keep my lights on and get very little food.

These politicians really need to experience...just for one entire week, without any other help...what the unemployed go through living on these benefits, which are (depending on state) somewhere around half of what they earned.

Actually, what they REALLY need to experience is poverty--no money coming in--like the 99ers. I wish one of them had the guts to step up to the plate and walk the walk.
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12:45 PM on 01/05/2012
Right. Only people who are employed use drugs...
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grant06
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01:10 PM on 01/05/2012
What part of "NOT LIKELY" did you fail to understand? I did not make a declarative statement. If you were receiving $330.00 dollars a week BEFORE taxes, would you be out buying drugs? Or would you be feeding your family and trying to pay your housing?
You do realize the 1% number pretty much confirms my premise.
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grant06
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01:11 PM on 01/05/2012
Oh, and I said NOTHING about employed people. You did.
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mamasilverhair
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05:54 AM on 01/05/2012
Why is it, that all these states are crying "poor" when all they do is figure out new ways to WASTE money? I don't believe them. They have plenty of money and are busy looking for ways to spend more. What a bunch of criminals.
Setting up drug facillaties, then passing laws stating you must go to thier facilities. Yea... great way to make money you criminals...I am on to you. Most are...do what you will. The days of judgement will come.
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05:31 AM on 01/05/2012
They need to drug test CONGRESS
05:17 AM on 01/05/2012
While the economy and home prices are sinking____the only thing increasing inside the USA is the level of stupidity and ignorance. OK let's say we kick people off of unemployment and food stamps and welfare and deny them job training if they fail a drug test. What happens then to all those people who cannot earn a living???? Anyone care to guess how those people are going to feed and support themselves???
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mamasilverhair
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05:41 AM on 01/05/2012
I think we all know if you can't make a living legally, you will do it illegally. We all need to accept the fact that We all have a RIGHT to live.
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msanonymous222
Dismiss whatever insults your own soul.
10:24 AM on 01/05/2012
To hear many of these buffoons talk about it, apparently not.
02:42 PM on 01/05/2012
You have the RIGHT to die also.
If i have to be drug free to hold my job why shouldn't others?
Why should i have to support the person that is getting unemployment and food stamps and goverment housing thats working for cash getting high?
Why don't people get off there BUTT and do something for themselve instead of expecting a handout.
Let me see in my household i pay all the bills and guess what i make the rules why should these people be any different?
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clpblank
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04:39 AM on 01/05/2012
Lets see the LAWMAKERS take the same test. I'll put even money down that far more than 1% fail the same test.
07:45 AM on 01/05/2012
Especially if you include prescription medications that are abused.