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For Many, A Life Of Losing Religion

Spiritual Apathy

First Posted: 01/ 5/2012 4:53 pm Updated: 01/ 5/2012 4:53 pm

By Cathy Lynn Grossman
USA Today

When Ben Helton signed up for an online dating service, under "religion" he called himself "spiritually apathetic."

On Sunday mornings, when Bill Dohm turns his eyes toward heaven, he's just checking the weather so he can fly his 1946 Aeronca Champ two-seater plane.

Helton, 28, and Dohm, 54, aren't atheists. They simply shrug off God, religion, heaven or the ever-trendy search-for-meaning and/or purpose. Their attitude could be summed up as "So what?"

"The real dirty little secret of religiosity in America is that there are so many people for whom spiritual interest, thinking about ultimate questions, is minimal," said Mark Silk, professor of religion and public life at Trinity College in Hartford, Conn.

Clergy and religion experts are dismayed, fearing for souls' salvation and for the common threads of faith snapping in society. Others see no such dire consequences to a more openly secular America as people not only fess up to being faithless but admit they're skipping out on spirituality altogether.

Only now, however, are they turning up in the statistical stream. Researchers have begun asking the kind of nuanced questions that reveal just how big the "So What" set might be:

  • 44 percent told the 2011 Baylor University Religion Survey they spend no time seeking "eternal wisdom," and 19 percent said "it's useless to search for meaning."

  • 46 percent told a 2011 survey by Nashville, Tenn.-based LifeWay Research that they never wonder whether they will go to heaven.

  • 28 percent told LifeWay "it's not a major priority in my life to find my deeper purpose." And 18 percent scoffed at the idea that God has a purpose or plan for everyone.

  • 6.3 percent of Americans turned up on Pew Forum's 2007 Religious Landscape Survey as totally secular -- unconnected to God or a higher power or any religious identity and willing to say religion is not important in their lives.

Hemant Mehta, who blogs as the Friendly Atheist, calls them the "apatheists," while the Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, the new Episcopal bishop of Washington, D.C., calls them honest.

"We live in a society today where it is acceptable now to say that they have no spiritual curiosity. At almost any other time in history, that would have been unacceptable," Budde said.

She finds this "very sad, because the whole purpose of faith is to be a source of guidance, strength and perspective in difficult times. To be human is to have a sense of purpose, an awareness that our life is an utterly unique expression of creation and we want to live it with meaning, grace and beauty."

Nah, Helton said.

Helton, a high school band teacher in Chicago, only goes to the Roman Catholic Church of his youth to hear his mother sing in the choir.

His mind led him away. The more Helton read evolutionary psychology and neuropsychology, he said, the more it seemed to him, "We might as well be cars. That, to me, makes more sense than believing what you can't see."

Ashley Gerst, 27, a 3-D animator and filmmaker in New York, shifts between "leaning to the atheist and leaning toward apathy."

"I would just like to see more people admit they don't believe. The only thing I'm pushy about is I don't want to be pushed. I don't want to change others, and I don't want to debate my view," she said.

Most "So Whats" are like Gerst, said David Kinnaman, a Christian researcher and author of "You Lost Me," a book on young adults drifting away from church.

They're uninterested in trying to talk a diverse set of friends into a shared viewpoint in a culture that celebrates an idea that all truths are equally valid, he said. Personal experience and personal authority matter most, and as a result Scripture and tradition are quaint, irrelevant, artifacts.

"'Spiritual' is the hipster way of saying they're concerned with social injustice. But if you strip away the hipster factor," said Kinnaman, "I'd estimate seven in 10 young adults would say they don't see much influence of God or religion in their lives at all."

The hot religion statistical trend of recent decades was the rise of the "Nones" -- the people who checked "no religious identity" on the American Religious Identification Survey -- who leapt from 8 percent in 1990 to 15 percent in 2008.

The "So Whats" appear to be a growing secular subset. The Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life's Landscape Survey dug in to the Nones to discover that nearly half said they believed "nothing in particular."

Neither raging atheist scientist Richard Dawkins, author of numerous best-sellers such as "The God Delusion," nor religious broadcaster Pat Robertson would understand this fuzzy stance, said Barry Kosmin, co-author of the ARIS and director of the Institute for the Study of Secularism at Trinity College.

"But a lot of these people are concerned more with the tangible, the real stuff like mortgages or their favorite football team or the everyday world," Kosmin said.

When church historian Diana Butler Bass researched her upcoming book, "Christianity After Religion," she found the "So Whats" are "a growing category."

"We can't underestimate the power of the collapse of institutional religion in the first 10 years of this century," she said. "It's freed so many people to say they don't really care. They don't miss rituals or traditions they may never have had anyway."

Cathy Lynn Grossman writes for USA Today.

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bobcatt53
Only Jesus!
04:05 PM on 01/24/2012
I have been a Christian for many years. The ONLY thing about Christianity that sustains me is my
personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I have witnessed God's faithfulness in my life many times
over. I have known His loving kindness in times of grief, and His wonderful presence during the
joyful times. The Christain life is indeed a journey. One's frame of reference is that much broader
with each passing year of life. If you're looking for a quick fix with everything figured out, you won't
succeed in the Christian life. It will seem meaninglessand utterly frustrating.
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rtgmath
There has got to be a better way!
07:17 PM on 01/12/2012
Religion has lost its power. American Christianity has focused on being "holier than thou" and has often been opposed to social justice and equality. Televangelistic adulterers have shown that money, power, and sex are the gods of the powerful. The most strident religious politicians have been caught with their finger pointing toward heaven while their underpants are around their ankles. Megachurches and megasalaries and megafraud promoting a megalifestyle with the message that if you give till it hurts God will bless you with all those things the evangelist has are finally being exposed as a megapyramid scheme.

Priests and pastors practice pedophilia, and church officials hide the truth. Even among Baptists, the leading cause of preachers leaving the ministry is adultery! Religion is used to demonize people who are different and to deny people their rights.

Wow. Any wonder that people are fed up with "the Church" in America? Oh, I believe that Faith can be a good thing. I am still a Christian, but I am no longer conservative! Real Faith is hard to find. Who stands up for the poor? Who stands up for justice in the here and now? Why don't more preachers stand up against corruption in high places? Or against shipping jobs overseas for mere profit?

Religion will be seen as relevant when it assumes responsibility for its actions and demands accountability by the mighty.
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CoastalNC
Good thoughts create good things
11:33 AM on 01/13/2012
My reasons for changing my beliefs from being a Mormon/religion believer to not believing in any religion was much closer to home but the things you stated sure don't hurt my current belief that all religions are man made and bogus....just used to control the masses.

No matter what they do, religion will never be relevant to me again.
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Brooke123456
God is ....(fill in the blank how you like)
02:35 PM on 01/12/2012
This is great!
Maybe there really is a waking up going on and people are realizing there is no magic sky daddy to make everything ok!
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
11:29 AM on 01/12/2012
For those who are "lost" its the religious groups who left them in the lurch or orphaned them by ignoring their needs.

Faith? Hah. There's buckets of faith, but it won't put out any fires. Now WORKS, that's the real thing for me, and you thumpers can all sing Dixie for all I care.

BZ.
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wutrup
We are here to Evolve
11:16 PM on 01/11/2012
Life is evolving into the next stage of reality. Religion is slowly dying because it doesn't offer substance. Faith only last so long when it is not based on elements of truth. The internet has exposed what really happened some 1700 years ago when a Roman emperor decided what was acceptable to believe. Spirituality on the other hand, is wide open belief system. It looks for elements of truth, it tries to identify with them, until new information comes through to the soul and replaces existing ideals. Being inbetween is okay at the same time. Souls know on one level or another... that we are eternal beings. There is plenty of time to experience whatever.
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
06:55 AM on 01/11/2012
Just started reading the Dalai Lama's "Beyond Religion." It makes a lot of sense so far.

One of the main points he makes is that it is impossible in our globalized world for religion to remain the primary system for morality and ethics because religion has a tendency to be territorial (both philosophically and geographically.) BUT, most religions have a common base of beliefs and goals, so taking those and distilling them into a secular moral code (ala the Declaration of Human Rights,) can create a better world using religion and spirituality as a foundation.

I look forward to reading the rest and hearing his specific ideas on how to make this a reality.
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TheBlueCoyote
Random Opinion Generator
05:34 AM on 01/12/2012
Thanks for the tip, I'll go get that book in the morning. F&F
08:36 AM on 01/12/2012
So where does the concept of a Bill of Rights fit into this?
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
12:50 PM on 01/12/2012
I would think that the Dalai Lama likes our Bill of Rights.

Did I misunderstand your question?
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sweetlilthing
hurt no one but tell the truth
03:45 AM on 01/11/2012
What a crock to call Richard Dawkins a "raging atheist scientist" when he was always a calm and logical speaker and then describe Pat Robertson as a "religious broadcaster". This is the same religious broadcaster who now says God told him who the next president will be but he can't say, and that natural disasters are God's revenge.
As we see the decline of religion I'm sure we are going to hear more statements like "leaning to the atheist " (you either believe or you don't), "the rise of the NO's" (can atheists be any clearer when they say "NO" religion especially when it's the only choice on the page), the "So Whats", and "Secular Spirituality" (whatever that is).
Thank goodness "We live in a society today where it is acceptable now to say that they have no spiritual curiosity" or belief in God. It's been long over due. Athiests are not the bad people that the religious like to make them out to be. When we do good for the sake of good and not for reward or punishment then we can say we have evolved.
08:51 AM on 01/12/2012
"What a crock to call Richard Dawkins a "raging atheist scientist" when he was always a calm and logical speaker..."

I have less problem calling him "raging" than calling him a "scientist". He has done a huge disservice to science.
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pdferguson
Micro-bios? We don't need no stinkin' micro-bios!
11:44 AM on 01/12/2012
What a weird comment. In what way has he done a "disservice to science"?
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11:22 PM on 01/10/2012
"The most beautiful experience we can have is the MYSTERIOUS. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and science. I am satisfied with the mystery of the eternity of life. The ancients knew something which we have forgotten. All means prove but a blunt instrument, if they have not behind them a living spirit. It is only to the individual that a soul is given. More and more I come to value charity and love of one's fellow being above everything else. I want to know how God created this world. I want to know God's thoughts, the rest are details." ~ Albert Einstein
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wutrup
We are here to Evolve
11:19 PM on 01/11/2012
If good old Albert would have read Wingmakers.com ... about cosmology, a lot of his question might have been answered...
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Kojak007
05:52 PM on 01/10/2012
It just isn't that important anymore. People can explain their existance without invoking the supernatural. People realize that they have the ability to live a moral life without taking part in the dogma that goes along with religion.

www.currentlychicago.com
08:13 PM on 01/10/2012
Where does that 'morality' come from?
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skyleg
unreconstructed liberal
08:42 PM on 01/10/2012
A desire to live and the recognition that one has to respect one's fellow human being if you yourself is to be respected. Cognition. Intelligence.
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10:57 AM on 01/11/2012
NOT the bible.
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Billy Fritts
I love the Lord Jesus Christ
10:55 AM on 01/10/2012
That if thou confess with the mouth the Lord Jesus Christ --Believe in thou heart that God have raised him from the dead-Thou shalt be saved--
04:20 PM on 01/10/2012
Where is the proof for that?
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wutrup
We are here to Evolve
11:34 PM on 01/11/2012
The proof is at the start of the race. The second step is a stumble and my the end of the race, to many questions have been asked and then nothing makes any sense. The ground under the runner shakes like an earthquake, old ideals vanish and are replaced with a new cosmology.
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crazydogchick
can you say sunnnnarkkkkyyyy?
09:09 AM on 01/10/2012
It seems to me that humans are less and less delusional with each generation. Religion is toxic.
08:14 PM on 01/10/2012
Humans are toxic - religion is the antidote.
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skyleg
unreconstructed liberal
08:43 PM on 01/10/2012
You are a very confused person. There is a Doctor near you and you need to make an appointment soon
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detroitblkmale30
Wise Men Still Seek Him
11:33 PM on 01/11/2012
Amen well said asmondius
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MrHomerS
Mmmmm...purple
01:13 AM on 01/10/2012
I wonder how much this decline has to do with a growing sense of individualism and narcissism in America today, especially because apathy seems to be driving this trend. Besides churches, I would guess that groups like the Rotarians, Lions, etc. are declining as well because most folks just don't give a damn about anyone other then themselves, their families, and their friends.
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Ranta
I don't need no ****** badges.
07:02 AM on 01/10/2012
I wonder how many church members only care about people just like themselves. How many have do good projects that tie these projects to proselytizing? I care about other people. That's why I vote progressive and when I give to charity, there are no strings attached.
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UnicornsOccur
They're invisible and yet pink.
09:39 AM on 01/10/2012
Atheism is a very misunderstood word. It's rare to find an article here that understands what it is. When I became an atheist it was a common misconception that atheism was synonymous with devil worship. Now Atheism is equated with anger, vitriol, and certainty. Its a step up, but saying that religion doesn't really concern me, or that I'm not really religious was an easy way to deflect having to argue this misconceptions for me a decade ago, and I'm sure they still are today too. I even still use it sometimes to avoid confrontation. Its sad that society thinks that atheism is something that needs to be confronted, but whines when theism is confronted.
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11:42 AM on 01/10/2012
The comment wasn't about Atheism it was about the apathy that people experience do to concern for only their own happiness and not helping others. I agree with MrHomerS on this. I do however see many Atheist serving their communities as they see beyond their own joy and think of others. Its the Apathiests I worry about.
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Dorothy Moody
Secular Humanist, Independent, Goofball
01:58 AM on 01/12/2012
You're right about that. Far too many articles about atheism use the word "angry" (or some variation thereof) in the headline. We're often frustrated, but angry? Not in the least.
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cleylol
Mad to live
07:46 PM on 01/09/2012
So, what's new?
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peter010908
The easiest way to control people is through fear.
06:12 PM on 01/09/2012
God gave man many laws... his top ten most important ones set in stone.

Notice rape and peodphilia didn't make his top 10 list.
07:27 PM on 01/09/2012
That would be covered by the Tenth Commandment.
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afwxman adrop
What, no 1900 yr old believers?
07:49 PM on 01/09/2012
Really?!!!?

Not only are rape and pedophilia not referenced in the Ten Commandments, there are actually text to support the notion of rape and pedophilia.

I can supply the references, just ask.
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cleylol
Mad to live
07:49 PM on 01/09/2012
God gave more laws after the Ten Commandments, if you consider the New Testament. One of them is "do not lust", and in Deuteronomy, there are verses against rape and pedophilia. These are just a few examples
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peter010908
The easiest way to control people is through fear.
08:07 PM on 01/09/2012
Do not lust? that is SO brough it covers everything

i want a new car, im lusting
i want a new clothes, im lusting
i want a new plasm, im lusting
i want a new house, im lusting

A book that claims to cover everything actually covers nothing.
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Ekimus
True Believer
12:23 PM on 01/10/2012
Saying the OT was a different time is a cop out, especially from a Christian. It suggests that God's morality changed - the omnipotent, all knowing, loving, just god that Christians claim. Slavery, genocide and brutality were okay in the OT, but not after the NT? Bull from a Christian theological point of view.

Me thinks whats more likely was the realization by the NT time that Rome was not going to go away and loose power over its subjects anytime soon, so the brutality that the jews once enacted in the name of God against their enemies and malecontents suddenly became wrong when they became the victims.
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peter010908
The easiest way to control people is through fear.
05:38 PM on 01/09/2012
People are waking up to themselves and realising religion gives them nothing but false hope.
07:27 PM on 01/09/2012
What about the people that don't wake up at all?
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peter010908
The easiest way to control people is through fear.
07:46 PM on 01/09/2012
That there is no god... that religion is an ancient belief system... that it offers false hope... that there is no relevance to the real world and so on and so on.
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afwxman adrop
What, no 1900 yr old believers?
07:46 PM on 01/09/2012
You continue hoping falsely.
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bryanzth
Honest to Goodness USA Patriot!
11:38 AM on 01/12/2012
Peter, check out Lucretius, DE·RERUM·NATURA and S. Greenblatt's book about it, called "The Swerve - How the World Became Modern". I am not associated with Greenblatt or his publisher, but I think it's a heck of a good read.

On the Nature of Things
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_rerum_natura

Reading these two works (the second about the former) really confirmed what I have been thinking of all this time in bits and pieces, but what is now unified. Exactly what you say above.

FF'd! :)

BZ.