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SETI Signals Are Not E.T., Scientists Say

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/09/12 08:59 AM ET Updated: 01/09/12 08:59 AM ET

Don't start making tinfoil hats yet. The 12 intriguing signals published this week by SETI researchers at UC Berkeley weren't created by aliens, despite what some commentators have said.

The 12 'candidates' are signals that "look similar to what we think might be produced from an extraterrestrial technology." Berkeley SETI made it clear that "these signals are interference," but that didn't stop the amateur speculation on Twitter.

Highlights from the Twitter reactions included: "SETI DETECTS ALIEN SIGNAL, AGAIN; HAWKING WARNS AGAINST ALIEN CONTACT From PHANTOMS & MONSTERS...," "Anyone else hearing whispers the #SETI guys have found a candidate signal in the Kepler data? The SETI site seems logjammed atm" and "Alien signal? Could this be ET running up a mobile bill? Can [French President Nicolas Sarkozy] auction spectrum on other planets?"

But the Berkeley team would need much more data to confirm that signals such as these really came from an intelligent source. The false signals, known as radio-frequency interference (RFI), are the bane of any radio astronomer's existence, and can be caused by everything from satellites to aircraft radar to WIFI. As Berkely SETI Project Scientist Andrew Siemion told the Huffington Post, "Any human technology that produces radio emission in a [frequency] band radio astronomers observe is considered RFI."

SETI scientists use a variety of techniques to rule out candidates, including "requiring that the signal be coming from only a single direction on the sky and looking for changes in the signal caused by the relative motion of the Earth with respect to a very distant transmitter," according to Siemion.

Siemion went on to explain the unique dilemma SETI scientists face in looking for alien-made signals: they'd probably look a lot like human-made signals. Where other astronomers can reject data that appears technologically produced, such data is the heart of SETI observation, and trying to pick out a real ET signal from among the RFI is difficult. A large part of a SETI scientist's work is ruling out potential candidates to avoid making any rash announcements. With all this effort devoted to parsing real signals from fake, it's cringe-worthy to imagine a non-SETI astronomer--looking at (say) quasars--coming across a genuine alien transmission and ignoring it because it just looks like RFI.

Even though the vast majority of candidate signals can be attributed to RFI, errors can still produce interesting results. One 1967 signal, which was thought to be E.T. because it bleeped such a consistent rate, was finally identified as a new type of celestial body, called a pulsar.

Antony Hewish, who supervised that research and later won a Nobel Prize for it, made a relevant point: "It is an interesting problem - if one thinks one may have detected life elsewhere in the universe how does one announce the results responsibly? Who does one tell first?" Twitter, clearly, isn't the answer.

A document called the "Seti Post-Detection Protocol" exists for just such an occasion, but Siemion is skeptical that it will be followed in the event of a major observation. They'd try quietly to verify it, but "Even if we were very careful about who knew what we were doing," he says, "if [Berkeley SETI Chief Scientist] Dan Werthimer or I showed up at Arecibo [Observatory] and were awarded immediate 'Director's discretionary time' on the telescope, people would probably start to talk."

Disclosure: I worked at Berkeley SETI in the Spring of 2010 as a technical writer.

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10:51 PM on 01/22/2012
If the signals are interference, why report them as "candidates"? Why report them at all, in fact? The researchers who detected them seem to have verified they were interference BEFORE they reported them. I'm not sure I see the point. They're NOT candidates if you've already eliminated the possibility that they're ETI signals....
03:39 PM on 01/12/2012
In other words... we are getting there IN OPTICAL ASTRONOMY... another one or two generations of instruments and we will be in the club that can, potentially, communicate. Now all we need to hope for is that there is someone else within 1000 light years who can (and wants to) do the same thing.
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02:57 AM on 01/13/2012
It’s like that old story of the drunk that is down on his hands and knees under a lamp post looking for his lost car keys because ‘the light is so much better there’. That poor stupid drunk. That poor stupid SETI community. Still off looking where they have a chance to find something rather than off in a corner where they are totally blind.

You call RF SETI a religious belief. That’s a foolish observation from a non-serious person. It’s the same thing you hear from Intelligent Design defenders who use the term ‘scientism’. If RF SETI is a religion then bald could be a hair color.

Remember we have absolutely no idea what ET would do or not do to communicate with us. They may be beaming their gravity wave beacon at us this very minute – or they could be just turning their waterhole beacon toward our third rate star out on the edge of the galaxy. Who knows? Do you?
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02:59 AM on 01/13/2012
I don’t understand why you assume that I am ‘emotionally invested’ in SETI. I have calculated the noise floor of my system and range at which it can detect a signal and am fully aware of its limitations. I also know that it IS capable of detecting a directed beacon from the Sun/Earth Lagrangian points and so I regularly scan that portion of the sky for a signal. I know it’s a long shot to say the least but since no one else is doing it but me - why not.

Another thing I know for sure is that for many months this year my system was the only station in the entire US scanning the waterhole for signals. Now that ATA is back on line it’s still the second and as near as I can tell there may be as few as five on the face of the Earth. My point is that at this rate our chance of detecting ETI is approaching zero for lack of trying not for any other reason.

I am building this station because I have an interest in the tools and techniques necessary for SETI and find that I learn best by doing rather than simply thinking or posting about it. I didn’t build an OSETI station because I don’t have the knowledge and equipment for it. It’s the same reason I didn’t build a gravity wave SETI station. I do understand microwaves, computers, and software so that’s what I built.
03:37 PM on 01/12/2012
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that one of the major problems with inter-stellar communications is parallax. If one were to aim a beam directly at another planetary system, it would miss because of the relative velocity of the sender and the receiver. In order to aim in the correct direction, one will need precision information about the relative speed vector AND the distance of the other system. I would estimate that parallax measurements need to be precise to micro-arcseconds and distance needs to be known to one part in thousand, or better, to achieve the precision required for successful communications with highly collimated beams. Earth's orbital diameter appears under an angle of 1 arc second from one parsec away, which happens to be close to the average distances between stars in our region of th galaxy. So if someone wants to aim at a thousand times smaller focal diameter (roughly earth moon distance instead of orbital diameter) from up to 1000 times farther away, they need 1micro-arc second aiming.

ESA's Gaia mission will get us into the 10micro arc second range, I believe, so that's getting good enough for stars within 100 light years, or so. If we assume that we need to go out by another order of magnitude to 1000 light years to find another technical civilization, then we need to learn to do at least 10 times better, still.
02:13 AM on 01/11/2012
Q: So what is the advantage of this light communication scheme over a thousand or ten thousand times larger radio intereferometer for intragalactic species?

A: Communication speed.

Q: And what do you need communication speed for?

A: I want to travel on the lightwave.

Q: WHAT????

A: If what we know about physics is fairly complete, traveling as a matter packet in space is slow, risky and expensive. Getting any sort of spaceship for human size passengers to near the speed of light takes ridiculous amounts of energy. It's also dangerous... hitting any kind of dust would be very bad...

But if I could encode myself as an information packet, which then gets re-assembled on the other side to a living being (biological or technological), then I can travel at the speed of light, which means instantaneously (in the language of special relativity). MUCH preferable to any matter based scheme, indeed. Well... and in order to arrive at a pretty good description of myself, I will need a lot of bits.

Q: Isn't that... a little ... far out?

A: Yes.

Q: ...and...?

A: And nothing. I have some other ideas how to travel between the stars which are also compatibel with known physics and imaginable technology... but none of them are as simple, as fast and as affordable as this one.
12:47 AM on 01/11/2012
I would use light for communication. Why?

Well, power output of a sun like star is about 4e45W. In a distance of one lightyear that's a photon flux of about 4e8/sm^2, assuming that all photons emitted are in the green (I am too lazy to do the spectral calculations, so I am off by probably one order of magnitude).

An optical communication device at the same distance focusing just 1W of light output (1e19 photons per second) on an area of 1e12m^2 (1000km pixel size, the same as the resolution required for planetary imaging), has a photon flux of 1e7/sm^2 at the receiver.

So even with a minimal power output of 1W, we are only a factor of 40 below the background of the star. To achieve a sufficient signal to noise ratio for communication, we need to have a mild spectral filter, plus a mild suppression of the star corona (both of which the imager will do easily). But since we can make both of those background suppression factors as large as 1e4 (or more), we are getting signal to noise ratios that are on the order of 1e6 and more... plenty for high speed communication.

So unless I made a mistake in my back of the napkin calculation, the communications device becomes an upgrade to an already required optical telescope for planetary imaging.
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04:05 AM on 01/11/2012
"signal to noise ratios that are on the order of 1e6 and more"

1 to the sixth power is still just 1.
I think you made a mistake in your back of the napkin calculatio­n.
09:33 AM on 01/11/2012
1e6 denotes ten to the power of six in scientific/engineering notation, i.e. 1 million. That's 120dB of SNR. But I think in practice one can do much better than that, pulling all the stops. That would allow communication even over tens or hundreds of lightyears without any repeaters.
11:05 PM on 01/10/2012
You can call me an old grouch. I am. But I am just not expecting a signal in the radio spectrum.

So what would I use to communicate to a planet around a nearby star? Light.

Look at the overwhelming success of Kepler... we are generating a large planet catalog with an experiment that can only access about 1% of all planets that are in its field... the rest doesn't make a transit from our point of view.

The next step will be stellar coronagraphs to detect all planets, not just the transiting ones. The step after that should be actual surface imaging of planets, first coarse, but, eventually, with sub-continental resolution for nearby worlds.

Yes, that will require giant space based instruments, but they can be built based on the laws of nature and I fully expect that they will be built. And once we will have those, we will also have excellent communications platforms... within the limits of known physics. And not only that, but we will also have much more likely targets to point them at!

How long before we are going to build these? I would guess about 50 years, maybe a bit sooner for the first generation of viable detectors. Not that long... our children might get to see it. At least I hope so.
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03:51 AM on 01/11/2012
Light, exactly. Highest energy, greatest speed and where time doesn't exist.

Tell me if you think there's a legitimate possibly consciousnesses could be somehow related to the light spectrum. I understand entropy suggests otherwise. And I understand the limitations of neurological impulses, and yet, it has always seemed if we are to find evolved intelligence in the Universe it would be in the light spectrum.

Nothing in science allows me to make this leap, and yet, I can't shake the feeling both are connected. I'd like you to tell me what you think, SJ.
10:03 AM on 01/11/2012
I don't think there is consciousness without time (that's more of a religious belief, of course, since we don't have a physical model for consciousness, so we can't do either theory or experiment). The light wave "freezes" whatever it encodes. This encoding is nothing but the perfect twin-paradox. The travelling copy/twin doesn't age, at all!

If you want to epand that thought to the whole universe, the light universe IS, and it IS STATIC and it IS EVERYWHERE at once, at least in the picture without acceleration. Light from the first galaxies that was emitted 13 billion years ago is "in the same state" it was in when it left. We couldn't see that far, if it wasn't.
10:03 AM on 01/11/2012
Relativity is a curious thing... it's easy to think that it separates the universe, because it doesn't allow anything to go beyong the speed of light. But because it also stops time, it really ties the local universe together (it might put an impenetrable wall between the non-local and shrinking parts, though, depending on the future expansion).

Cosmology forces us to think in terms of topoligical connectivity... "when we are" is a function of "where we are". And if one wants to see "the far", one has to give up ones past. Nothing in life comes for free. That choice is the payment the universe demands.

To us much of this may seem unnatural, but that's because we haven't made the evolutionary steps required to actually live in the full universe... our ecological niche is still the surface of this planet. If we want to go further, we have to adapt to what's out there... and that means becoming a new species before we embark on exploring the stars.
10:49 PM on 01/10/2012
Kinda spooky...I have always wonder what would happen if we end up bringing back some weird space Microbe that would spread and destroy the world.
Wonder what would happen if it was life? what would the next step be....Would we Bomb there planet, take there resources and then save one or two for science projects? Or maybe even the other way around. All my thoughts from to much Sci-Fi I suppose...
10:54 PM on 01/10/2012
Or to much reality?
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03:54 AM on 01/11/2012
We fear what we know most about ourselves.
03:40 PM on 01/10/2012
FALSE ALARM ... It was me, I had GAS
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06:32 AM on 01/10/2012
"One 1967 signal, which was thought to be E.T. because it bleeped such a consistent rate, was finally identified as a new type of celestial body, called a pulsar."

The article fails to mention SETI's most famous possible E.T. contact - the Wow! signal:

The Wow! signal was a strong narrowband radio signal detected by Dr. Jerry R. Ehman on August 15, 1977, while working on a SETI project at the Big Ear radio telescope of The Ohio State University then located at Ohio Wesleyan University's Perkins Observatory, Delaware, Ohio.[1] The signal bore expected hallmarks of potential non-terrestrial and non-solar system origin. It lasted for the full 72-second duration that Big Ear observed it, but has not been detected again. The signal has been the subject of significant media attention.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!_signal
03:21 PM on 01/09/2012
Some people on here are so stupid and ignorant to think there is no life out there......... stupid skeptics and doubters are small and closed minded.
03:31 PM on 01/09/2012
There is plenty of life out there... but it takes a lot of stones to believe that it actually wants to talk to us over radiowaves. SETI is just another expression of geocentrism... the extended belief that even if you are not at the center of the universe, you are (maybe) still at the center of its attention.

Sounds about as adult as an average 14 year old who wants to be popular with the pretty girls? You betcha.
03:52 PM on 01/09/2012
Well first maybe you should learn how to read instead of speculating off my comment. Where in my comment do I say anything about SETI? Jonny needs to settle down. Guy thinks he knows everything there is to know about this LOL.
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07:52 PM on 01/09/2012
What makes you think anyone is suggesting that?

It's called the search for Extra Terrestrial INTELLIGENCE

It's NOT called the search for Alien CHIT CHAT
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02:44 PM on 01/09/2012
I managed to see this same signal on my own SETI station (www.SETI.Net). I get a hit like this every 5-6 hours.
03:01 PM on 01/09/2012
And you are wasting electricity (thus adding to global warming) and your computer's lifetime... because?

Having said that, I did participate in a climate study once. After about 9 months it killed the CPU board... the Dell design that used electrolytic capacitors right next to the CPU, which got hot all the time, of course. Very poor engineering... it was basically designed to fail, as every capable electronics engineer could have told them (and some probably did before getting fired).
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Compared to what?
03:07 PM on 01/09/2012
Your TV gulps up more juice! For WHAT?
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03:41 PM on 01/09/2012
Jonny - Do you have any idea how many SETI stations there are on the face of the earth?
Have you ever engineered something from scratch that has never been done before?
02:43 PM on 01/09/2012
SETI is the steam punk version of astrobiology. It's the religious belief that aliens will communicate with a technology across the galaxy which even NASA deems outdated to even communicate with their space probes within the solar system.

http://lasers.jpl.nasa.gov/
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03:42 PM on 01/09/2012
Jonny - You are clearly out of you league on this (among other things).
03:54 PM on 01/09/2012
I would love to talk to you about communications technology and why SETI is a waste of time. I have a strong feeling that, in comparison to you, I might actually have thought about this rather deeply.

But then... you are not much interested in that, are you? So far all we have heard was fan-talk and personal attacks.
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07:46 PM on 01/09/2012
Uh, you clearly don't understand SETI. It's has nothing to do with communicating with aliens. If you bothered visitng their website you'd see quite simply that SETI is an exploratory science that seeks evidence of life in the universe by looking for SOME SIGNATURE of its technology.

It's not looking for a chat.
09:53 PM on 01/10/2012
I understand the intent, I am just wondering why an advanced intelligence would be wasting GW or even TW on electromagnetic losses. So now, in addition to betting the house on certain frequencies, this experiment is now reducing its chances by assuming that "they" are also enormously wasteful.

That's NOT how succesful science usually works. Could they get lucky? Sure. But I doubt it.
02:21 PM on 01/09/2012
Aliens should send a signal to SETI which says "OMG!!! RU ON DA EATRH, LUZLZZZZ!!!!!"
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02:02 PM on 01/09/2012
As anybody knows who has run SETI at Home on their computer, the key to this is the Doppler shift of the signal. If there is no Doppler shift, the signal originated on Earth. You can get "candidate" signals but none have ever passed the Doppler test.
02:49 PM on 01/09/2012
The problem with that, of course, is the religious belief of the SETI crew that the aliens are not as advanced as the manufacturer of your cell phone and wireless modem, both of which compensate for doppler shift... so they might actually receive a doppler shift compensated signal from an alien source all the time without ever knowing.... it never passes their filters!
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09:39 PM on 01/09/2012
You are such a deuce. So aliens are going to correct the Doppler shift of their transmissions for the motions of the Green Bank observatory caused by the Earth's rotation and orbit? If they aren't sending a directional signal they can't even compensate for their own motions.

But SETI searches do look for zero acceleration signals rather than discarding them. They're also in the process of developing spread spectrum searches. But go ahead and pretend you know what they are doing. Continue to use the slur "Religion" just because you disagree with them. With a big enough telescope, ET could see Arecibo or at least determine equatorial corrections. They'd have to be pretty close because the telescope hasn't been there for that long.

So WTF do you do for a living, and why should you get paid? I think everything you do is a waste of resources that could be better used elsewhere.
12:27 PM on 01/09/2012
pretty funnk someone actually called up seti and pulled a prank on one their "so called scientist"

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