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Tibet Monks Set Themselves On Fire, Group Says

Tibet Monks

01/ 6/12 10:41 PM ET   AP

BEIJING -- A Tibet activist group says two people have set themselves on fire in southwest China in the latest in a series of apparent self-immolation protests against Chinese rule.

The London-based Free Tibet said in an emailed statement late Friday night that witnesses saw a man set himself on fire Friday near a monastery in Aba prefecture in Sichuan province. It says security forces put out the flames and took the man away. His condition is unknown.

Free Tibet says someone else died about the same time in a self-immolation nearby. It gave no other details.

The claims could not be independently confirmed. A woman who answered the phone at the prefecture government office on Saturday said she did not know anything about the incidents and hung up without giving her name. Calls to local police offices rang unanswered.

Aside from the latest claims, at least 12 monks, nuns and former monks are believed to have set themselves on fire in the past year in what are seen as acts of desperation in the face of tightening Chinese controls over Tibetan life and culture. Most of the incidents have occurred in heavily Tibetan areas of Sichuan.

Most of the protesters who set themselves on fire are calling for Tibetan freedom and the return of their spiritual leader, the Dalai Lama, who fled to India during an abortive uprising against Chinese rule in 1959.

China says Tibet has always been part of its territory, but many Tibetans say the Himalayan region was virtually independent for centuries.

Chinese authorities routinely deny Tibetan claims of repression, although they have confirmed some self-immolations and accused supporters of the Dalai Lama of encouraging such acts. The Dalai Lama and representatives of the self-declared Tibetan government-in-exile in India say they oppose all violence.

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southingtonian
"I'm a Capricorn and you can't make me do sh*t.."
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HanMeiRen
May already be guilty by association...
09:55 PM on 01/09/2012
I want to be provocative.

Not many still hold power like the Dalai Lama does in this day of age.

Who else in this world still holds such CULT power over his/her followers other than the Dalai Lama, as some of “HIS” believers are willing to self-immolate, one after another, while calling for “HIS” name?

The ironic part is that “HE” had abandoned them for good long time ago.
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03:54 AM on 01/09/2012
Remember the monk in Vietnam who immolated himself sitting in a meditative position? He had entered the Jhanas and passed away before the fire consumed him. If you burn yourself to death with frustration, sadness and anger, as a Buddhist then what do you think the rebirth will be? Please, this question is posed only to a Buddhist reading this comment.
09:03 PM on 01/09/2012
Khanti..why you say like this?Your question you only want Buddhist to reply?Would be as if I say I only want Chinese to respond to my comments. But this is open global forum.
You are Buddhist? Yes?No? Then you tell us what you think the answer to your question is.
I think we are atoms now & atoms after.
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09:48 PM on 01/09/2012
No offence meant Kakertkatzz. my purpose is to help Buddhist to understand more about Buddhism. I am not interested in politics.
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03:38 AM on 01/09/2012
They didn't get paid.
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diamondlotus
walk softly and carry a big stick
05:52 PM on 01/08/2012
It is so sad to hear this, because it will not influence the Chinese government at all, and these beautiful souls have now died in about the most gruesome and painful way possible all to no purpose.
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07:10 PM on 01/09/2012
"Beautiful soles" don't torture themselves to death over politics. I do agree it is very sad that this child was brought up to feel so radical about the issue.
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07:59 AM on 01/08/2012
No number of committal of suicide by burning or otherwise would deter the Chinese from taking over Tibet even at the peril of death. India is day dreaming of help from Israel as it did to win in Gilgit with the help of Israel. India should read the writings on the wall.
04:10 AM on 01/08/2012
Killing oneself over religion is a sure sign of heavy brainwashing. The monks' deaths will have little effect on China's policy on Tibet.
03:58 PM on 01/08/2012
Religion & Politics:
Which one is worst?
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diamondlotus
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05:49 PM on 01/08/2012
Sadly I think it's even up.
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09:23 PM on 01/08/2012
The worst is to combine religion with politics.
Satirist1
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12:12 AM on 01/08/2012
This act of Delusion which will result in tremendous karmic damage for all those directly involved.
Naraka is guaranteed.
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10:32 PM on 01/07/2012
Lots of pro-Chinese propagandists on this thread. Do not listen to them. China is control by a very oppressive communist party. In china, you have to rights, period. The USA is quickly headed to a system of government closer to this. Unalienable human rights are the most important issue in politics. We must fight to keep our rights and to spread them to others.
11:00 PM on 01/07/2012
We visited China twice to adopted our daughter. You couldn't be further from the truth. People there are as free as we are here. Don't think we ever even saw a policeman or a military person either time. The only difference seems to be semantics in how we describe democracy and communism. In practice it seems a colonial world dominating "democracy" is very little different from a lenient and benevolent "communism". - Just different words.
11:39 PM on 01/08/2012
Xie xie ni for being openhearted towards us & for giving a loving home to the girl.Of course really we do see many policemen & soldiers but they only bother those who who cause bother.Maybe you saw them but were unaware?Hope you raise your daughter not to be 'xiangjiao, waimianhuangse, limian baise'(banana, outside yellow, inside white)& to do so requires you study yourselves our past & present history & see why we don't view our reformed Communism as negative. Why we are proud, How we have struggled. How so much improves. How in last 3decades now 500 mill people no longer in poverty. Still long way to go. We are lucky to be able to look at how west did things, learn not to repeat mistakes in our reforms. Yes, our style of 1 party/2 systems differs from the west. So do we as people. As does our long history.Doesn't mean we can't get along.West style democracy no good for here.We need our own style best suiting our situation.Glad you acknowlege the domination of the colonial past. Their attempts here failed. Maybe that is what really bothers those who continue to ignorantly criticise us.Xin nian kuai le to you & your family.
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04:44 AM on 01/09/2012
Communism has never been benevolent. The Chinese Communist Party has murdered and starved tens of millions of Chinese. Individuals in America are protected by the constitution and although there have been abuses here, there has never been a mass murder of US citizens by the US military or etc. I can write what I want without fear of our Government. That is not the case in China where dissenters are punished harshly and sometimes killed. Personally I believe that government abuse is bad, no matter what country it occurs within. I am not trying to criticize the people of China, only the abuse by the leadership in the CCP.
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12:15 AM on 01/08/2012
With a screename like too-cool- for-school such misinformed comments are to be expected.
11:40 PM on 01/08/2012
I tend to agree with you.
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04:37 AM on 01/09/2012
Please respond to my comment with a rational argument instead of an insult.
09:34 PM on 01/07/2012
Within Tibet there are 7 different Buddhist factions..they do not agree with one another..disharmony..sadly seems to be a facet of all religions..the sect the Dali was the leader of when in Tibet is the one that holds the major reins..but like the Pope of the Roman Catholics...The Dali wants to be sitting on his throne again & subjecting the people to feudalism..no oppressive regime deserves backing..(including the Dali's one)...whatever political or religious ideology..in the history of this dominant Tibet Buddhist sect there are instances of invasion of other places equalling many regimes who did the same. As with all religions Buddhism holds fear over the heads of its followers..they also believe in hell for non believers & give offerrings of alcohol to their fear inducing god (Makala The Terrible)who is the war god whose job is to destroy all non believers. The same superstition within other religions exists in Buddhism. Especially amongst the Dali's sect of Buddhism.
11:27 AM on 01/09/2012
Your comment is shockingly misinformed. I'll take the points one by one. The number of Buddhist sects in Tibet, or broad institutional lineages, is usually given as four (4): Nyingma, Kagyu, Sakya, and Gelug (the Dalai Lama's own lineage, of which you erroneously said that he is the leader, but the actual leader of the Gelug is the Ganden Tripa). HHDL added the Bon religion, Tibet's native religion which has adopted many Buddhist elements, as a fifth sect. If you also add the small and often overlooked Jonang, you get six (6). Another way of enumerating the lineages is as eight practice lineages. No enumeration I know of yields seven "factions," so I don't know where you got this number. More importantly, although there has been sectarian strife in the past, nowadays an ecumenical spirit prevails, thanks to the openmindedness and nonsectarian attitude of the man you revile, His Holiness the Dalai Lama. "The Dali wants to be sitting on his throne again & subjecting the people to feudalism." This is pure conjecture and contradicts the fact that 1) HHDL has established democracy in the Tibetan Government in Exile and 2) that HHDL recently abdicated his political role as head of state to the Prime Minister, who is now a layperson, Lobsang Sangye. If HHDL has designs to return to Tibet and reinstate feudalism with himself on the throne, instituting democracy and devolving authority to a democratically elected office seem a counterproductive way to accomplish this nefarious plot.
11:44 AM on 01/09/2012
Buddhists believe, actually, in 18 hells, but they are not for "nonbelievers," as any non-Buddhist can achieve the highest state in samsara, the "peak of existence." The Buddhist hells are where beings are reborn who have committed acts of violence and hatred. Moreover, the Indian master Shantideva has said that the torments of the hells are actually hallucinations of the beings who suffer these rebirths. These hallucinations of torture are the ripening of the karma of hatred, the outcome of the laws of cause and effect; they are not punishments for not believing in Buddhism.

I assume by "Makala" you mean Mahakala. He is a Dharma protector, a wrathful emanation of the bodhisattva of compassion, not a "war god" as you so ignorantly characterize him. His purpose is to protect the Dharma from aggression, enemies and other outer obstacles, and to goad practitioners by striking at the inner enemies of ego-clinging, anger, attachment, and ignorance. His activity is a wrathful form of compassion and has nothing to do with making war on infidels, as you so ludicrously imagine.
07:43 PM on 01/09/2012
We are all misinformed to some degree but compared to that load of religious claptrap on just another controling religion you make me appear incredibly enlightened. What you describe I already have studied also, besides other interpretations which you are obviously unaware of..you need to keep turning the pages...what a load of superstition. Good luck with that.
08:19 PM on 01/07/2012
The Dali is nothing more than a jet setting fraud..he ransacked the palace before he fled..he was the leader of an oppressive regime himself..he ponces around the globe pretending to care & saying he has no attachment to material wealth but owns luxury dwellings in many places including in the US.About Buddhist monks, why is there no articles querying the whereabouts of the 100's on monks in Myanamar who led the people in protest against the military regime there. Monks were meant to be unharmed in Myanamar but this all changed. The military attacked them in their monastry , destroyed the monasrty & arrested all monks. No one knows where they were taken. A monk was found dead (shot & beaten) floating down a river.Why so little reactions & global help to the people of Myanamar & the monks?The Dali is a fraud compared to the brave monks of Myanamar.
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08:14 AM on 01/08/2012
There was no room left to respond on the other thread to respond so I'll say thank you to you here. Your posts were not too long at all and I appreciate learning some additional things that I did not know. You're a very educated person and I have great respect for your ability to remain civil to some of these people who are less informed about the actual facts and ; that is a quality that I hope to be able to emulate one day. My opinions on these matters changed dramatically when I actually started visiting China and other Asian countries and became aware of the other side to these stories. I too was guilty of just assuming that everything I had heard growing up was the simple and answer "truth". Too many people look at world affairs, and even war, as if it were a football game and we just wear the colors and root for our favorite team for no reason whatsoever except perhaps that we live in the same city.
Again, Xiè xie nǐ, and I hope you have a wonderful Spring Festival!
09:09 AM on 01/08/2012
Bu yong ke qi ,Mei Guo penyou...you also shine as one of the smarter. I try to maintain a civil method of response. At times it tries me though. Especially comments from some US people saying that China took all their US jobs. If they knew the truth of the plight of many of our already poorer rural people who go to manufacturing cities, they are what are termed 'migrant workers' within China, (such as in Guang Dong) to work such long hours for not so much money (but more than they can earn back in their villages)for foreign manufacturing companies who only shift their manufacturing here to take adavantage of the lower costs in production then the same US commenters may not be so critical of the Chinese workers but more ashamed of their US companies who exploit in this way..
09:16 AM on 01/08/2012
Furthermore, on this same subject of the migrant Chinese workers within China..since the economic crisis in US (caused as we know by some major US corporations & their greed & by Wall St)1000's of these same workers in these foreign owned factories are now out of work as these companies have either 'folded' or moved onto even cheaper developing countries where production costs are even lower than here..like in Vietnam.Yes, Spring Festival is almost here. It means 630million Chinese migrant workers will be travelling back to rural homes over next 40 days.8thJan-16th Feb. On trains alone 5.8 million per day on trains alone (approx).Those that can afford to.Even if in terms of US money it seems a pittance for the ticket. That's why with every bit of progress & positive govt reforms to help that improves lives here we are thankful.Xin nian kuai le. Tian Tian Kuai le.Happy New Year. Happy every day. To you.
11:52 AM on 01/09/2012
As I recall, the "Saffron Revolution" in Myanmar received quite a lot of news coverage--when it was going on. Since then Myanmar has undergone reforms and the democratic opposition leader, Aung San Suu Kyi, has been released from house arrest.

The reason there is an article here on monks burning themselves in Tibet is because currently monks are burning themselves in Tibet, not Myanmar. But I suppose when monks protest in Myanmar, they are brave and noble; when they protest in Tibet, they are stooges of the fraudulent Dalai Lama.
04:38 PM on 01/07/2012
Yap, Yap, Yap....The US can do NOTHING, will do NOTHING - The Chinese have us by the economic balls...right where they planned to have us the moment they signed the "Open Door Policy" with Nixon and Kissinger. The Global design was presented to them then, they liked it, went for it, threw cheap goods and money at us, and now they'll shove it down our throats to choke on it. We'll be lucky if we survive this one.
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04:53 PM on 01/07/2012
Don't be so paranoid. The Chinese don't wage wars on our borders yet we've fought many on theirs. The open door policy has been positive for both sides and for human rights in China.
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08:18 PM on 01/07/2012
Lol Human rights? In China? lol
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10:25 PM on 01/07/2012
There is no such thing as human rights in china.
12:22 AM on 01/09/2012
You should not waste pride towards Nixon & Kissenger who have the blood of many more innocent civilians on their hands than any person in modern history. Don't behave ignorantly & blind & paranoid. Open your eyes to the past & present follies of your own regime as we do so here.
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04:22 PM on 01/07/2012
all power to the tibet people............
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04:55 PM on 01/07/2012
Yes, the vast majority of Tibetans want to be part of China and freely chose to be so, as they have been for centuries. Power to the people not the religious extremists!
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i am on the left so i must be right!
05:27 PM on 01/07/2012
for sure not the religious extremists­......
12:10 PM on 01/09/2012
"The vast majority of Tibetans want to be part of China." Then surely Beijing would not object to allowing Tibetans to vote on their status vis-a-vis China, whether they want to remain part of China or become independent. If what you say is true, the Chinese would have nothing to fear from a referendum and it would settle the issue once and for all.

"And freely chose to be so." How can they freely choose to be a part of China if they cannot freely choose the alternative?
09:38 PM on 01/07/2012
Fauxnews & if you're not a follower of the Dali's sect of Buddhism you will end up in hell..you have no idea about the true ideology behind this religion..let alone the differences within & between the many different Buddhist sects.
03:35 PM on 01/07/2012
Friendly Feudalism: The Tibet Myth

.michaelparenti.org/Tibet.html
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04:56 PM on 01/07/2012
Dui Dui Dui
11:07 PM on 01/07/2012
watch out mathops, the cia might get you for speaking chinese. lol i think we're supposed to be ramping up to hate them - just like muslims and mexicans and cubans and russians and african and and and
03:24 PM on 01/07/2012
This is what they want, discussion and their Country freed of Communism, freedom of worship and rule. Please keep the cause going after you forget about this Monks' supreme sacrifice!
09:39 PM on 01/07/2012
Ignorance of what this Dali sect of Buddhism really is is astonishing..let alone the ignorance of the differences between all the different sects of Buddhism..just another brainwashing religion..
11:12 PM on 01/07/2012
9 out of 10 tibet people want to be part of china. tibet was historically part of china for decades and the chinese actually returned to liberate them from the dali lamas after world war 2. they don't really care about the stigma on communism they're just happy to be free from religious totalitarianism under the lamas and serfdom under the feudal system