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Anti-Outsourcing Bill Stirs Fears In India, Philippines

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First Posted: 01/09/12 11:51 AM ET Updated: 01/09/12 01:38 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- A bill that would punish American companies for sending their customer call centers overseas has caused an uproar in India and the Philippines, where politicians and corporations fear lost business due to the U.S. bill's protectionist measures.

The legislation, pushed by Rep. Tim Bishop (D-N.Y.) and the Communications Workers of America (CWA) union, would make companies that outsource their call center work ineligible for guaranteed federal loans and grants for a period of five years. The bill, entitled "U.S. Call Center Worker and Consumer Protection Act," would also require those companies to report themselves in advance to the Labor Department, which would maintain a public list of the companies who outsource.

Home to the largest call center industries in the world, India and the Philippines would stand to lose the most if such a law succeeded in deterring American corporations from taking their customer operations out of the U.S. in order to save on labor costs.

Last week, a Filipino parliamentarian publicly urged President Benigno Aquino III to dispatch "a strong lobby team" in Washington to stop the bill in its tracks, warning that it would "kill" the industry in the Philippines. Similarly, India's ambassador to the United States has suggested that country also plans to lobby hard on the bill.

When asked about such reactions, Bishop said that the fears in India and the Philippines reinforce the argument for the legislation.

"Frankly, the fact that both the Indian government and the Filipino government are reacting like this says that our bill is very badly needed," he said. Most of the call center jobs lost in the U.S. are "sent primarily to India and the Philippines. So I hope [the bill] does have an impact."

According to CWA statistics, American call centers account for about three percent of the country's jobs, although about half a million such jobs have been lost over the last four years due to offshoring. In a statement released Monday, the CWA called the legislation "an actual, honest-to-God, bi-partisan bill focused on U.S. jobs," as well as "a measured step towards helping foster job growth in the U.S." The CWA represents 700,000 workers in the U.S., roughly 150,000 of them call center employees.

In addition to making them ineligible for federal loans, the call center bill would place stiff mandates on companies that chose to outsource their call centers. Customer service reps working in those companies' call centers overseas would be required to disclose their locations when asked by American callers, as well as provide callers with the option of being transferred to a call center in the U.S. -- stipulations likely aimed at pleasing constituents who are tired of dealing with customer service reps based in other countries.

While discussing the call center legislation last month, Bishop said that "outsourcing is one of the scourges of our economy and one of the reasons we are struggling to knock down the unemployment rate and reduce the number of Americans who are out of work ... We can't prohibit it, but we can certainly discourage it."

So far, Bishop has found a pair of Republican co-sponsors for the legislation in Reps. Dave McKinley (R-W.Va.) and Michael Grimm (R-N.Y.). In a statement, Grimm said, "This bill ensures that companies receiving taxpayer-funded federal aid or tax incentives don’t use those incentives to move their call centers abroad." Even so, the bill will probably be a long shot for passage in the GOP-controlled House, where many Republicans who support free markets and free trade would bristle at its protectionist flavor.

To help push the legislation, the CWA released a report last month documenting higher instances of fraud and security breaches at foreign call centers, as well as instances of "sub-outsourcing," in which contractors in India outsource to even cheaper labor markets in other countries.

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WASHINGTON -- A bill that would punish American companies for sending their customer call centers overseas has caused an uproar in India and the Philippines, where politicians and corporations fear lo...
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omobob 01:06 PM on 01/09/2012
> A bill that would punish American companies for sending their customer call centers overseas has caused an uproar in India and the Philippines, where politicians and corporations fear lost business due to the U.S. bill's protectionist measures.

Call centers? The very tip of the iceberg. Hello. The US  Read More...
05:02 AM on 10/25/2012
where in the world do you come up with these figures? More jobs are leaving the country than are being "created". What a stupid thing to say. Just exactly what does "created" mean? As in fairytale?
05:47 AM on 10/04/2012
I think outsourcing to Philippines, and other countries, is now becoming a necessity for some companies. If it is stopped, then a lot of companies might go bankrupt.
04:55 AM on 10/25/2012
It's not a necessity. My job went to the Philippines, What about me going bankrupt? I almost lost my house, my son had to quit college...U.S. companies need to stay in this country, pay a decent wage to U.S. citizens and stop being so greedy.
09:38 PM on 06/03/2012
hey dear this is very excellent readiness.this outsourcing bill is low hanging fruit or a red herring? I believe the Americans should be focused on somehow getting their manufacturing jobs back from places like Others country.Oursoourcing
05:02 PM on 02/03/2012
The Tide has Turned. Even the bought and paid for politicians the lackeys of Corporations are smart enough to know it. The survival instinct will kick in, and the politicians may actually start to do things that are good for our own country instead of India, China, (insert 3rd world dictatorship here). It's about God damn Time. I for one am sick of our country feeding these leeches. Bring back our jobs. Stop subsidizing Corporations and Countries that do so. TAX the Hell out of the ones that do.
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01:40 PM on 02/02/2012
And why is this bill the least bit controversial??? Denying federal grants to company shipping jobs overseas is not only NOT protectionism, it it COMMON SENSE.

But of course -- unlike Americans -- these countries already have lobbyists in Washington DC.

America, our government is badly corrupt.
04:24 PM on 01/22/2012
Is this outsourcing bill is low hanging fruit or a red herring? I believe the Americans should be focused on somehow getting their manufacturing jobs back from places like China. Everybody says "Tax the Rich" like corporations but to stimulate a good business environment in the US, there should be less taxes for everyone. What made big corporations go overseas in the first all the regulations and taxes. Just ask Paul Otellini of Intel, who claims he takes a billion dollars more to setup and operate a factory in the US vs overseas and a lot of this expense is NOT LABOR but the corporate tax rate.
11:55 PM on 01/19/2012
I tried to call the good Congressman to thank him for pushing this bill but the call got forwarded to a call center agent in the Philippines who received the message for the Congressman. I wouldn't have know till I ask her to say hockey puck. Damn it!! Bring back the good old days when you a call a help line they will forward your call to a Canadian call center.
10:12 AM on 01/19/2012
American's, Wake Up! Do you know why your corporations are outsourcing jobs outside of your country? Because most of you guys are too lazy to do it on your own or too stupid to understand a simple manual. Please see below:

1. Calling to ask why his computer's coffee holder is broken. WTF is a computer coffee holder?? Turns out, it is the CD/DVD Drive.

2. Calling to dispute an NSF Fee incurred on her checking account. Why the hell did you issue a check without even verifying if you have enough money left in your account?

3. Calling to add a newborn baby to health benefits. Sorry you should have called us within 31 days after the baby is born. You just need to wait for next Annual Enrollment. For crying out loud woman, this is you benefit, this your law, why are you not aware of it.

In the end, call center job is not really a necessity, it is your laziness and stupidity fueling this type of industry.

Since your require customer service for stupid and lazy questions you have, your corporation's expenses increased and needs to either increase the cost of their product/service OR find a way to keep prices at bay but be able to provide the customer service you need.

In the end, your corporations decided to please you by keeping the prices at bay and providing customer service by outsourcing to locations such as India and the Philippines.
05:04 PM on 02/03/2012
your clearly an Indian/ Corporate Cooliey
05:08 AM on 10/25/2012
Seriously? Let's see you get your electricity, phone service, cell phone service etc. in this huge country without call centers. You wanna take a trip down to your local electric company and get your electricity or gas or water hooked up at the same time as thousands of others? Get in line and wait and wait and wait and go home and come back tomorrow and get in line again. Unless you live in a very small town, it won't happen. Seriously?!!
04:03 PM on 01/17/2012
They should outsource it to Mexico and setup call centers there...

It will solve some of our illegal immigrant problems
05:08 PM on 01/16/2012
Look at the label. If it says Made in USA then buy it. If it says Made somewhere else, don't buy it. Problem solved.
12:55 PM on 01/18/2012
So no more electronics, toothbrushes, cars, musical instruments, cookware, silverware, plates, hygiene items, applicances, or tools?
12:41 PM on 01/16/2012
This is long overdue. I worked for years as a Personal Banker for a global bank. When the call center was shipped overseas to India, there were two complaints that stood out the most. One, there spoken English is so thick with the accents that some of the reps are impossible to understand. Two, when you open an account at a bank, you must provide date of birth, social security number and other sensitive data as required by the Patriot Act. The customer service rep sees all of this information and uses it to identify you before assisting you with your questions. This was a MAJOR concern for many of my clients that feared identity theft since their sensitive data can be retrieved outside of the US. While this is no guarantee that identity theft occurs, or will not occur with a US based customer service center, this will relieve this fear.

Now, on a personal note, my in-laws are Filipinos. My Mother-in-law says that the Philippine government is so corrupt and steals money every chance they get that should be used to support their own citizens. If they could end the corruption, the government could build it's own country to support the citizens, not the politicians pocket.
06:44 PM on 01/27/2012
Some guy who spells 'their' as 'there' is complaining about English !!
05:05 PM on 02/03/2012
metalone, your a corporate stooge
04:28 PM on 01/14/2012
President Obama has done right by not allowing corporations by abusing the L1 Visa in the IT Sector.. this has helped Americans workers a bit.. it has given some breathing room.

IF and when Romney gets to the white house, the corporations would be at it again by issuing infinite number of H! and L1 Visas for IT sector works and we would be real trouble yet again.
04:26 PM on 01/14/2012
This is a toothless bill. Call centers are small potatoes... the biggest culprit here is China and the entire manufacturing base in China. Thats the real fish.,
12:59 PM on 01/18/2012
Thank you. When American manufacturing jobs were shipped overseas, it stopped being a matter of "if the job market falls apart" but rather "when the job market falls apart". Without manufacturing, the middle class has vaporized. Many ended up in the lower class collecting food stamps and welfare, and many ended up in major college loan debt for useless degrees. The American middle class got shafted by the exodus of manufacturing.

How do we fix this? Lower the corporate tax rate. Make the business environment one that American businesses will want to return to. Our effective corporate tax rate is the highest in the world... it's just too expensive to run a corporation here.
05:09 PM on 02/03/2012
Your a Corporate Schill. It's incredibly cheap to run a corporation here. The Corporations are never taxed at the nominal rate. NEVER! Ex: GE who paid zero taxes last year. In fact WE the People Paid them millions!!! Tax the hell out of Corporations that Outsource Jobs. Give Tax Breaks to those who have the Patriotism (and long term thinking ability) to support their own country. If it's good enough for China, then it's good enough For The U.S.A.
06:46 PM on 01/27/2012
True !
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04:07 PM on 01/13/2012
It would be funny if it was not actually sad that USA after out sourcing its manufacturing to China, is trying to introduce bills targeting companies that are involved in the Services sector. Bring back the Manufacturing from China, Services will return too.