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Would Mormons Try To Influence A Romney White House?

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First Posted: 01/09/12 06:10 PM ET Updated: 01/09/12 06:10 PM ET

By Matt Canham
Salt Lake Tribune

WASHINGTON (RNS) When Switzerland passed new employment rules that ban foreign religious groups from sending unpaid missionaries, 13 Mormon members of Congress pleaded with the Swiss ambassador for an exception.

The Swiss ambassador sent a respectful, yet perfunctory, letter in response, and while some meetings took place, the rules went forward. Sen. Orrin Hatch, a Utah Republican and a Mormon, called it "very disappointing."

But for some, the fact that Mormon lawmakers waged the battle at all is troubling, and they point to it as evidence that if elected president, Mitt Romney may use his post to promote his faith and protect its interests.

"I think it is a very serious problem that would arise if he is president," said Fred Karger, a gay rights activist from California who is running a fringe campaign for the Republican nomination.

He argues top officials at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints coordinated the letter to the Swiss ambassador, and says it shows the influence the faith's First Presidency can wield simply by picking up a phone. That influence could grow greatly if, instead of calling senators, those church leaders could call the White House.

"How can a President Romney turn down a call from the First Presidency?" Karger asked. "He has been an obedient, faithful Mormon his whole life; he won't just disregard it. I think the separation of church and state is designed to prevent exactly that."

Mormon lawmakers and scholars say there is nothing illegal, unethical or untoward about the LDS Church petitioning its government for help on such matters. Still, they recognize that a Mormon in the White House would bring new levels of scrutiny from Republicans uneasy about the faith, and from Democrats concerned about its conservative political posture.

"In the event that Romney were elected president, both sides would be anxiously looking for any signs that he was promoting his faith or doing the bidding of the LDS hierarchy," said Grant Hardy, a history and religious studies professor at the University of North Carolina-Asheville.

Hardy, a Mormon, expects a Romney administration would be reluctant to nominate Mormons to top government positions or to invite too many to participate in White House events. And while most would expect him to work with prominent Mormons in Washington, such as Hatch, his interactions with Democratic Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who is also Mormon, would likely draw extra attention.

"Any reaching out to Harry Reid would be carefully scrutinized for indications of putting religious ties above party loyalty," Hardy predicted.

Romney's campaign did not respond to a request for comment, but the former governor of Massachusetts talked extensively about the intersection of his faith and politics in a 2007 interview with The Salt Lake Tribune.

"I don't try and distance myself in any way, shape or form from my faith, but my church doesn't dictate to me or anyone what political policies we should pursue," Romney said during his first run for the White House. "There has never been a time in my four years as governor, that anyone from my church called me or contacted me and asked me to take a position on an issue."

Alice Ross of Butler, Pa., is a Republican voter who says she won't support a Mormon presidential candidate, in part because she distrusts the top-down and tightknit structure of the worldwide faith.

"They are a very strong movement in America," she said. "The president would make decisions based on his Mormon beliefs, and that would not be good."

Ross participated in a Salt Lake Tribune national poll commissioned in mid-December that showed 60 percent of likely voters would be comfortable voting for a Mormon presidential candidate, but 26 percent were uncomfortable to some degree; 14 percent said they didn't know.

The survey asked the people who were uncomfortable with a Mormon candidate to explain why. The most common responses were polygamy, concerns the faith isn't Christian and that its members were too conservative.

Karger's constant jabs at Mormons stem from his involvement in California's Proposition 8 fight on gay marriage. As an activist, Karger was upset at the faith's hefty financial involvement in the 2008 ballot measure. He has since worked to highlight Mormon donors, leading to boycotts of their businesses.

Romney backers, including Hatch, say critics should examine Romney's tenure as governor, where he enforced abortion laws that he disagreed with and, while he fought against gay marriage, he didn't stand in the way of any same-sex unions after the state Supreme Court deemed them legal.

"Anybody who thinks Mitt Romney is governed by church leaders is just plain wrong," said Hatch, who said Mormon authorities don't pressure elected officials. "Give me a break. I've served in the Senate for 35 years now. I never had any leader in the LDS Church tell me what I've had to do. Never once."

Former Utah Sen. Bob Bennett, who is Mormon and a Romney supporter, said it shouldn't shock anyone that the LDS Church asks national politicians for help on occasion.

"Quite naturally any organization of that size is going to have issues requiring contact with their elected officials," he said.

Bennett said it wasn't uncommon for him to speak with foreign officials in places like Russia and Ecuador on matters involving missionaries or LDS land disputes. He predicted the LDS Church would be more hesitant to weigh in on a political issue if Romney was in the White House.

"I think the brethren would be sensitive to the fact they were dealing with a Mormon, and Mitt would be sensitive to the fact he would not want to subject the church to criticism," he said.

Hardy, the history professor, said he expects that gay rights and immigration are the two hot-button issues most likely to put Romney and the LDS Church in a bind.

Romney, in his 2007 interview with the Tribune, cited one example of taking a position that ran contrary to that of the church: legislation that would allow the sale of alcohol on Sundays in Massachusetts.

"I signed it," Romney said. "I believe that in our state allowing the sale of alcohol on Sunday is good for the consumer and therefore I didn't oppose it. That isn't saying that I disagree with my church. I simply did what I thought was in the best interest of the state, which I was elected to serve."

Matt Canham writes for The Salt Lake Tribune.

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dinm76
It's the most disgusting thing ever to happen in A
01:26 PM on 09/21/2012
Joseph Smith was shot while jumping out of a second story window by a mob of townspeople because he had raped a 12 year old daughter of one of his followers.
That's a far cry from Christ who was nailed to a cross for preaching love and forgiveness don't you think?
Bringham Young (who was away at the time) of Joseph Smiths death had his rival as the next leader of the cult poisoned!
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09:42 AM on 11/04/2012
He was jailed in Carthage, Illinois for the legal actions voted on by the Nauvoo City Council regarding the Nauvoo Expositor whose first edition sought to libel Smith and disturb the peace of the city. John C. Bennett had lost his high status in Nauvoo and made the same charges he was found guilty of against Joseph to try and make it look like Smith had instituted the false practices he and others introduced into the community. Bennett and Brigham Young profited from the sale of alcohol and prostitution. To try and hide his secret lifestyle, Dr. Bennett offered abortions to women who would sleep with him, should they get pregnant. Bennett and other devote Freemasons like William Law were also angry that the temple ceremony called the "Endowment" portrayed the character of "Lucifer" wearing a Masonic apron. Bennett fired the shot that killed Smith, using a weapon he procured from the Nauvoo Legion Armory. So why don't you follow the example of Christ and "judge not" and learn forgiveness for things you do NOT understand!
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dinm76
It's the most disgusting thing ever to happen in A
10:43 AM on 11/04/2012
You will know them by their fruit...that would be Romney by the way...Thats enough for me! Along with... beware of FALSE PROPHETS!
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ProCynic
Those that govern intend to be our masters.
03:13 PM on 08/29/2012
I claim a cultural connection. I dislike the church, I despise the lies and half truths about it and its people. I am liberal to progressive on social issues. So, food for thought...

The nation has survived all these Mormons in Government:

Exhibit 1: "Ronald Reagan truly admired the Latter-day Saints. His administration included more members of the Church than any other American president, ever. Three of us, David Fischer, Gregory Newell and I, served on his personal White House staff. Richard Wirthlin was his chief strategist. Ted Bell served as Secretary of Education, Angela Buchanan was Treasurer, Rex Lee was Solicitor General. His White House included Roger Porter, Brent Scowcroft, Richard Beal, Blake Parish, Jon Huntsman Jr., Dodie Borup and Rocky Kuonen, and there were many other Latter-day Saints throughout his Administration. President Thomas S. Monson served on a Presidential Commission on Volunteerism. Others were ambassadors. LDS senators and representatives were held in special regard, and the Tabernacle Choir was his special inaugural guest." -Stephen M. Studdert, Special Assistant to President Reagan

Exhibit 2: Ezra Taft Benson, later a President and Prophet of the LDS was Secretary of Agriculture under Eisenhower. At the same time, he was already in the Quorum of Twelve Apostles.

Exhibit 3: A list of other Mormon leaders (http://famousmormons.net/pol.html & http://famousmormons.net/pol2.html)

Ice Cream Exhibit: A list of people you probably have heard of and didn't know they were Mormon. (http://famousmormons.net/)
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Rubyfoo
08:08 PM on 08/25/2012
What do you mean will they try and influence Romney? He is THEY, a bishop. He's one of their top dogs.
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ProCynic
Those that govern intend to be our masters.
02:56 PM on 08/29/2012
And you don't understand what a Mormon Bishop is.
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dinm76
It's the most disgusting thing ever to happen in A
01:05 PM on 09/21/2012
But we do all know about the planet Kolob!....
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xxixpines
Truth often causes wailing and gnashing of teeth
09:46 AM on 07/24/2012
""There has never been a time in my four years as governor, that anyone from my church called me or contacted me and asked me to take a position on an issue.""

Mitt Romney

One can always glean what the real truth is out of such a carefuly worded quote. I will take that as 100% true, but then when you examine the truth, there are the reports in the media and the following documentation, that Willard Mitt Romeny, made many trips to see church officials and know doubt contacted them.

True to politics and politicians and the LDS, its all in how you say it.
IndependentBurgeoise
Belief in a cruel god makes a cruel man.
12:23 AM on 04/28/2012
I think the Mormons would try to influence it. But you know the East and West coast would be up in arms if they tried to implement ANY of their religious laws on the populace. The general liberal feeling, especially in the Northeast, is the antithesis of Mormonism. They wouldn't get away with it, though I still have a feeling they'd try.
Would Romney go along with it? I have no clue.
02:49 PM on 04/10/2012
Couple of insights
A: Most people do not understand the depth of the covenants Mormons make to the church. Every Mormon who has gone through the temple has promised to give everything to build up the church. This means EVERYTHING; time, family, influence, talents, careers, EVERYTHING is to be used to build the Church. Romney has promised under penalty of death to build up the Church. I believe this would be a danger to the U.S. Romney in the White House means LDS Church in the White House.
B: "Mormon Speak", is used to by Mormon leaders to communicate to clergy/members. They use a very intrinsic system of internal communication to relay what they want of their members. When Hatch says he has not received a phone call that is an example of “Mormon Speak”. It is meant to pacify outsiders, but church members know the leaders do not work that way. The church has been using this since the earliest days to keep outsiders at bay.
12:11 PM on 04/06/2012
What bothers me about the LDS religion is that they are so controlling, and they run the church like a corporation, and treat members of the church like resources. I have witnessed firsthand how they treat apostates; my wife is an “apostate”. It saddens me to see how her family treats her whenever they are forced together.

Utah is a prime example of how controlling the church can be and how they have little respect for the separation of church and state. Utah belongs to the LDS religion, and I for feel that they have their sites on nothing less than the world.

People say that Romney will not push politics based on the desires of the LDS church, but I simply do not see how that could be true. As a devoted member of the LDS church, Romney is the church; his beliefs are in line with those of the church. By pushing politics that are in line with his beliefs, he will be pushing politics that are in line with that of the LDS church.

The thing that perplexes me more than anything is how such intelligent people can allow themselves to be pulled into a religion that is so ridiculously silly. God has a human form, made from flesh and bone, and lives on a planet orbiting the star of Kolob? Seriously!!! Bottom line, I don't want a President who believes such nonsense, or would even take part in a religion that would believe that.
04:57 AM on 03/09/2012
Brigham Young and the entire Mormon hierarchy would have been hanged in 1857, had the Mountain Meadows Massacre been prosecuted to its fullest potential .. Whence some one hundred and forty, California bound Arkansas men and women..

Were slaughtered under a flag of truce, after Mormons decked out as Indians attacked their wagons .. Forty two white men were hanged at Gainesville Texas in 1862, for failing to support the Confederacy, the same year thirty eight Santee Sioux were hanged in Minnesota,

After five American settlers were killed by Indians, whose case rested on their assertion that the settlers had fired first, while eighty five Irish traitors, were justly hanged in New Mexico in 1846, they had deserted General Taylor’s command, and joined Santa Anna’s forces in Mexico.

Then crossing back into Texas, slew eleven of their former comrades from ambush, on the northern banks of the Rio Grande .. Fifty four Mormons took part in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, of whom thirty two were from England .. Brigham Y was up to his neck in it all.

As well he received livestock and property looted from the wagons! John D Lee Mormon Bishop and adopted son of BY, was the single Mormon executed by firing squad in 1877, twenty yrs after the event!
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dinm76
It's the most disgusting thing ever to happen in A
01:09 PM on 09/21/2012
More people need to know these facts....
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Timothy Unrine
Commit to the Lord whatever you do - Prov 16:3
01:54 PM on 02/13/2012
Every keeps bringing up the JFK Pope question, it's apples and oranges.

Romney held positions equivalent to being a Catholic Archbishop. Kennedy held no posts, Kennedy's involvement in the Church didn't go far beyond Pew Sitting and tithing, and being a squeaky clean looking Catholic - all the while laying pipe across town.

So there is concern to have an indoctrinated, theologian in the White House. I doubt he can separate Mormonism from Americanism - esp with his already wanting to add a gay ban to same sex marriages to the Constitution.

Huntsman would have been a better Mormon for Utah to place in the White House, more political, less religious posting. But Utah wouldn't have been able to control him as easily.

NoMormonInWhiteHouse blogspot com
02:01 PM on 02/19/2012
So Timothy, I take it that you think it's just dandy to impose a religious test for public office. Got it.

Just so you know, Romney is not a "theologian." The notion that an LDS Stake President is "equivalent to being a Catholic Archbishop" is ultimately not true. The positions are *analogous* in terms of the hierarchical structure of the two churches; but Romney kept his "day job" all throughout his Church service, in much the same way as Catholic clergy do not. Any regularly attending, "pew sitting and tithing" Mormon ends up getting something to do in the Church.

Of course his values will inform his political positions; see my post below. But he won't be taking orders from "Utah."
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Timothy Unrine
Commit to the Lord whatever you do - Prov 16:3
03:13 PM on 02/21/2012
Theologian accurately describes Romney. His training since birth, his blood line of Stake President and an Apostle, his total Mormon upbringing, his Seminary......rising up to Stake President. Reading ONLY Mormon-faith books on religion, because the Mormons frown on anti-Mormon literature, publications, research and books.

The power to determine is someone can be excommunicated - with advice of his counselors, but he ultimately determines if someone's actions are against the faith. He didn't refer matters to Utah. That rises to the level of theologian. Studying the Book of Mormon exclusively for a lifetime. That is more theologian than some Protestant scholars.

A voter CAN impose any test on ANY candidate - we do it by voting Republican, Democrat, or Pro-Life / Pro-Choice, Pro-2nd Amendment Less 2nd Amendment, Catholic, Lutheran, Mormon - - Voters CAN by the CONSTITUTION apply their own RELIGIOUS TEST, it is the AMERICAN way of voting.

If people like me don't want a lifelong MORMON cultist in the WHITE HOUSE, we are allowed to cast our vote against him - for being MORMON.

The CONSTITUTION only prohibits the requirements to run for office from restricting him from running for office. He is running for office.

VOTERS do not have to vote MORMON. We believe in God, Jesus Christ, things that the Mormons place second place to the plagarized verses of the KJV Bible found in it's comic book Book of Mormon - - you can't quote the KJV prior to it coming out after 1611.
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Timothy Unrine
Commit to the Lord whatever you do - Prov 16:3
01:48 AM on 04/04/2012
Romney's previous campaign staffs have used the comparison of stake president to archbishop - so I apologized, I believed a lie that MITT told - coming from a Mormon I should have taken it as false.

Romney's latest campaign is to use the term "lay pastor" since he getting too many questions about Bishop and Stake President.

I can understand Mormons being embarrassed to discuss their chain of command and responsiblilities - easier to lie if no one talks about it officially. That is why Mitt won't discuss Mormonism, or answer basic questions.

So I understand you Mormons being frustrated with Mitt's attention on your cult. But hey, if you are embarrassed, stay in the desert and dance naked around the moon, marry one or two or more underage girls and if caught, claim that member is acting on his own, and is really FLDS, like radical Mormons submitting names of Jewish Holocaust victims for Baptism.

You can repent, and retract your false belief in Mormonism, accept the true Christ in your life, and any of a number of Christ based churches will welcome the lost sheep home.

For brainwashed cult members, the older they are, it is harder to question the challenges to their beliefs, and the suicide rate increases when cult members want to not accept that their life was a joke in the cult.

Pathetic really, but legal under the First Amendment - the children are the innocent victims.
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inlight1
Learning to Fly
08:02 PM on 01/31/2012
A Mormon as POTUS is not an issue. An LDS church officer like Romney as POTUS is an issue.
02:37 PM on 01/18/2012
The question is not, "Would Mormons Try To Influence A Romney White House?" Everyone tries to influence every White house -- it's actually part of the concept of representative democracy that the elected leaders listen to the people -- so why should Mormons or Romney be any different?

The real question should be, "Would the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints exert undue influence over a Romney administration?" While the only real way to find out would be to elect Romney and see what happens, we can attempt to make intelligent guesses. My guess is no, it would not.

The Church does not have a professional clergy; every one of its leaders has had a "real job" -- in many cases, very successful careers in business, education or government -- before they were asked to step away from that to serve God full-time. They know from personal experience that a believer with a secular job has to work for his actual employer.

An elected leader should lead; his values should inform his decision-making, and the voters have a right to know what those values are going in. But he has to serve the interests of all his constituents, not merely those of his own group. With this in mind, knowing the leaders of my Church as I do, I expect they will keep their dealings with any putative Romney administration at arm's length.
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Timothy Unrine
Commit to the Lord whatever you do - Prov 16:3
03:41 PM on 02/21/2012
Cults serve their Supreme Leaders - not acceptable for a POTUS - therefore not acceptable to vote MORMON.
05:36 PM on 01/12/2012
Is the pope Catholic?
04:58 PM on 01/12/2012
We support this human 100%.......................Satan and all the demons in the abyss...including Joe Kennedy Sr.
05:04 PM on 01/12/2012
Funny stuff.......
12:57 AM on 01/14/2012
I like how you respond to your own posts with compliments. Funny stuff. Takes some cajones, too.
04:50 PM on 01/12/2012
Hollywood better stop dressing me in red,I don't even like red,white is my color..............The keeper of the Abyss
04:45 PM on 01/12/2012
I am ruler of this World,its mine! Get off of it you human rats!.........Please vote you this man,all of us here in the Abyss support him..............Lucifer(the most beautiful angel you will ever know)
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WesStrikesBack
A winegrowing secular humanist
02:31 PM on 01/16/2012
You think the Great Satan would at least have a Ivy League degree. I was hoping my great Dark Lord could at least write his way out of a wet paper sack.

Very disappointing, oh great Deceiver. Or are you trying to write like a third grader to Deceive me? Or maybe you were in a hurry to finish this and go bury some dinosaur bones to really confuse us?