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SEAN MURPHY   01/10/12 05:04 PM ET  AP

OKLAHOMA CITY — A proposed constitutional amendment that would ban Oklahoma courts from considering international or Islamic law discriminates against religions, and a Muslim community leader has the right to challenge its constitutionality, a federal appeals court said Tuesday.

The court in Denver upheld U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange's order blocking implementation of the amendment shortly after it was approved by 70 percent of Oklahoma voters in November 2010.

Muneer Awad, the executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma, sued to block the law from taking effect, arguing that the Save Our State Amendment violated his First Amendment rights.

"This is an important reminder that the Constitution is the last line of defense against a rising tide of anti-Muslim bigotry in our society, and we are pleased that the appeals court recognized that fact," Awad said. "We are also hopeful that this decision serves as a reminder to politicians wishing to score political points through fear-mongering and bigotry."

The amendment read, in part: "The courts shall not look to the legal precepts of other nations or cultures. Specifically, the courts shall not consider international law or Sharia law."

State Sen. Anthony Sykes, who led the Senate effort to get the measure on the ballot, said Tuesday he would continue to fight to lift the injunction.

"The federal appeals court in Denver attempted to silence the voice of 70 percent of Oklahoma voters," Sykes said in a statement. "At some point we have to decide whether this is a country of by and for the judges, or of by and for the people. How far will the people let them go? This ruling is right along with legalizing abortion and forced busing of school children."

Backers argued that the amendment intended to ban all religious laws, that Islamic law was merely named as an example and that it wasn't meant as a specific attack on Muslims. The court disagreed.

"That argument conflicts with the amendment's plain language, which mentions Sharia law in two places," the appeals court opinion said.

The court also noted that the backers of the amendment acknowledged they did not know of any instance when an Oklahoma court applied Sharia law or used the legal precepts of other countries.

Awad argued that the ban on Islamic law would likely affect every aspect of his life as well as the execution of his will after his death. The appeals court pointed out that Awad made a "strong showing" of potential harm.

"When the law that voters wish to enact is likely unconstitutional, their interests do not outweigh Mr. Awad's in having his constitutional rights protected," the court said.

The case now returns to federal court in Oklahoma City to determine the constitutionality of the proposed amendment.

"My office will continue to defend the state in this matter and proceed with the merits of the case," Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt said in a statement.

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honor1
11:14 PM on 02/02/2012
So tell me. What is the difference between right and wrong? This is the underlying question. Everyone has a different interpretation on the issue. How can this country be strong if it is so divisive? How can this big "mix" of differing opinions, cultures, and religions unite us? I hear the word "tolerance" a lot. I don't think that anyone will ever tolerate what they truly believe in their heart is wrong. I wasn't like this when I was growing up, and all of a sudden there was this big invasion and attack on this country where I was born and raised. Now I am called a hater. No, I will never accept wrong for right.
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09:12 PM on 01/16/2012
Those who think that sharia law is acceptable because it poses no danger to local laws need to read this letter sent by Anne Marie Waters of the One Law for All campaign to the ACLU in the wake of its support for the Oklahoma decision:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2012/01/16/aclu-how-can-you-simultaneously-defend-sharia-and-rights/

Waters criticizes the decision on the basis of her experience of sharia law as implemented in the UK. (!) Her points underscore the problem with the alternative legal system when they are used to settle civil issues:

1. Under sharia law, as it is practised in Britain, a woman’s testimony in family matters is worth only half of that of her husband.

2. Under sharia law, a man has a unilateral right to divorce, whereas for a woman obtaining a divorce is extremely difficult; she needs either the permission of her husband or of a sharia judge.

3. In sharia law, women are not party to their own marriage contract – it is a contract between her husband and her male “guardian”.

4. Domestic violence is trivialised in sharia law, and does not constitute grounds for divorce.

5. No acknowledgement of marital rape. (Despite the fact that it is illegal in the UK.)

6. Under sharia law, custody of children is awarded to fathers from a preset age regardless of the circumstances of the case.

The effect on women's rights has been an unmitigated disaster.
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Anne Rutherford
08:59 PM on 01/17/2012
In a religious court, not in the civil court in the US. Don't know British law. Many people engage in things I find appaling in the name of religion, but as long as it doesn't violate federal or state law, and the parties agree to it - not much to be done about that. If you ban Sharia religious laws for Muslims, then you must do the same for any other faith. Catholics and Jews might take exception to this - and I sure some other demoninations with specific requirements wouldn't be happy either. No one is suggesting that sharia replace civil law.
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09:30 PM on 01/17/2012
There is currently no legislation (to my knowledge) that limits these alternative civil courts in the US. I know they have been banned in Canada and other jurisdictions.

Did you read the letter in question? How can you so cavalierly dismiss the concerns Ms. Waters raises?
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GaryNOVA
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11:00 AM on 01/15/2012
I am absolutely against religion being interjected into law, but I know that the first amendment provides a wall of separation between church and state that prevents this. If the state wanted to simply add an amendment to their state constitution mirroring the United States constitution, then have at it. You'll get no opposition from me. But that's not what this was. It specifically left out Christianity and mentioned Sharia law for one purpose. They want to speak out against sharia law, while at the same time, like hypocrites, inject Christian fundamentalist ideals into law.

and not only that but the language reads that no consideration to international law should be considered either, which would attempt to nullify U.S. federal treaties (which is unconstitutional as well).
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
08:57 PM on 01/15/2012
Incorrect. There is no "wall of seperation". A judge will still have his religious beliefs, a senator, a congressman, a president. And those beliefs will shape how they view the world and who they act and react. There is no possible way to seperate religion from those who are elected, appointed or hired into a government position.

And those who sit on juries also bring their beliefs with them, and those beliefs can not be divorced frm the decisions they reach.
08:58 AM on 01/20/2012
Seperation of "Church and State". It is because of the explosive nature of combining the two that creates caos when the law is meant to bring order.
We cannot allow it. However if a religion threatens the existance of either of the two than state law should reflect a clear message to the contrary. We as a nation of many religions need to remember that the freedom to worship as we choose should without a doubt be protected. But no "one religion" has the right to impose it's will upon another. In my view, this is what's at the heart of the matter.
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09:17 PM on 01/13/2012
The fact that polls show that 70% of Oklahoma Americans don't want Sharia law in their state cannot POSSIBLY be a reason to go against a ruling of judges. What Senator Sykes is proposing is to ban the constitutional independence of the courts, in other words the separation of powers that characterizes every modern democracy. When it comes to the law, citizens have the power to vote new laws, IF those laws are constitutional. And it's the task of the SC to verify which laws are constitutional and which ones aren't. This isn't a job ordinary citizens can do, it's something only independent experts can do.

Moreover, I'm rather certain that most of those 70% don't have an adequate idea about what Sharia is at all. So it would be even more absurd and dangerous to try to bypass the courts in order to pass a law that creates a lot of violence and that is merely based on ignorance.
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04:00 PM on 01/14/2012
What is Sharia? Look at Iran and KSA.
05:04 PM on 01/14/2012
Uh ... do you know how big Iran is? How could "looking at Iran" somehow make us understand what Sharia is?

There's only one way to know it, and that's studying the books that contain it, studying the different interpretations (from extremist to liberal), and studying the many different ways Sharia has been practiced, today and in the past.
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
09:01 AM on 01/15/2012
That's not a valid barometer.

KSA practices an extreme form of Islam that most of the world's 1.4 Billion Muslims don't support -- and KSA represents just 1.5% of all Muslims.

Iran represents 4% or so, and anyone who follows the news knows that the people of Iran don't exactly support their current government.

"Sharia(h)" is actually just a term for the underlying principles of Islamic law. For most Muslims, it just means their own religious law, period. That's why using that term, and suggesting that Muslims in general want to promote it as a replacement for secular law, is such an effective tactic, on the part of anti-Islam proponents.

It's not true, though, as anyone who knows how to use Google, and who is willing to look at sources other than anti-Islam sources, can verify for themselves, fairly quickly.
DUSAA-1775
never moon a werewolf
02:49 PM on 01/13/2012
So this court thinks it is unconstitutional for a state to demand that their courts use the US Constitution to rule on constitutional issues.... It sounds like that court has been on a long bender.
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
07:12 PM on 01/13/2012
That's not what they're saying. They are saying "You can't preclude a future law based on "ABC" JUST because it is based on "ABC". We need to see the law you're trying to pass first".
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08:16 PM on 01/14/2012
In the 1950's, capitalistic democracy was in a competition with communistic statism.

Americans did several things as a nation to declare their opposition to the competing ideology.

I believe the same thing is happening now between secular liberal democracy and government based on Sharia law. That competition is one of the driving forces in the Arab Spring.

That same competition is happening in the Muslim Diaspora, including in America. Some American Muslims support liberal democracy as a permanent improvement over Sharia law, some do not. As in the Middle East, the deep conflicts between the two ideologies cause polarization.

The efforts we are seeing to oppose Sharia law in America and to support liberal democracy in Muslim countries is a replay of the 1950's to some extent.
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02:29 PM on 01/13/2012
Sharia law has no place in any civilized country.
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
04:01 PM on 01/13/2012
10 to 1 you couldn't define what Sharia law is without googling it.
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11:12 PM on 01/13/2012
Huff Post has defined it.
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04:04 PM on 01/14/2012
There you go, I guess you have problems with underage child marriage and stoning.
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honor1
10:40 PM on 02/02/2012
I agree with you 100%. America, tragically, is divided in so many different ways that those that live here feel that this country is not worth protecting. At least years ago we all stood together as one and I think that all this diversity has done way more harm than what the government said it would. Now if don't agree on gay marriage your considered a "hater". Same way with other religions. Cannot we even define what is right and wrong anymore? What's worse is having a justice system that is too afraid to stand up for what is right and wrong. Pitiful.
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Anne Rutherford
01:38 PM on 01/13/2012
The judge ruled correctly. Sharia law applies to Muslims and governs things like marriage, artifical insemination, contractual obligations between Muslims - just as the Bet Din governs those things for the Jewish community. Catholics can get a civil divorce, but in order to be remarried, they must get an annulment from their church. To ban Muslim religious law would mean that all these functions for other faiths would come into question and could also be banned. Doubt anyone wants that. If the law is incorporated within the context of the Constitution, it already applies, if not, it applies to their reglious community. To be terrified of something that you have little knowledge of based on someone else's interpretation is ignorance.
02:35 PM on 01/13/2012
Absolutely. The people on this thread seem to be genuinely surprised that religions come with strange rules that not everybody agrees on. And they also are genuinely surprised that the Constitution is the Supreme law of the land (even though it's written right in there) and that having a set of values that they don't agree on should be outlawed.
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03:10 PM on 01/13/2012
So you're OK with somebody in your community relinquishing what is entitled to them under their civil rights in favor of another set of laws? What about those who do not know what is entitled to them under their civil rights?
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
04:02 PM on 01/13/2012
o.0
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Anne Rutherford
04:42 PM on 01/13/2012
Yes, if they are a member of that faith, they should have access to their religious court. The Constitution trumps Sharia law with regard to civil rights. In no way would Sharia religious law apply to a non-Muslim. As for your last question - you're grasping at straws to support your argument. If they live here, they can find out - but to deny them access to their regilious court also violates the Constitution.
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iLdoRight
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03:04 AM on 01/13/2012
Perhaps some who think they are Orthodox Jews will start stoning people to death again.
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11:18 PM on 01/13/2012
@2iLdoRight Noahide Laws
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special38x2
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12:11 AM on 01/18/2012
Excellent example of why this can't work...Geez and they gripe about waterboarding...
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
08:24 PM on 01/12/2012
All you silly people who think you can vote to override other people's Constitutional rights are the same people who think Muslims can vote to over ride your rights. ALL laws have to conform to the Constitution, without exception. If a law, that was once based on some concept from Sharia law is written and passed and it is Constitutional that is what we call "a law". If it is based on some concept from Sharia law is and passed and is NOT Constitutional that is what we call "not a law".

Are there any Sharia laws that ARE Constitutional which you are worried about or are you just running around in a happy Conservative "they're all out to get me" panic? Do you even know what it is your worried about?
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thorrsman
Why should I define myself by quoting others?
08:49 PM on 01/12/2012
I thought we were supposed to observe a strict and unyielding seperation of church and state.

How can we possibly do that if we allow the religious laws of one group into our courts?
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Chikkipop
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09:21 PM on 01/12/2012
We don't.
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AdamWest1313
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01:09 AM on 01/13/2012
...We don't. This law was unnecessary because the First Amendment already prevents religious laws from being used in the courts. It was deemed unconstitutional though because it only singled out one religion.
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11:19 PM on 01/13/2012
NDAA has over-ridden some of the Constitution---who signed it that indoctrination? A muslim.
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
10:48 AM on 01/14/2012
There is a long history of Constitutional violations in the name of "national security". The most likely short term use of the NDAA would be to lock up suspected Muslim terrorists.

What I can't figure out is how someone who thinks the President of the United States is a Muslim managed to turn on a computer.
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
09:16 AM on 01/15/2012
False.

The President is a Christian.

And what parts, specifically, of the Constitution, has the NDAA "over-ridden"?
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fireart
I got mine the hard way.
06:35 PM on 01/12/2012
So separation of church and state only applies to Christianity?
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Doug Sandlin
We See The World Not As It Is But As We Are
07:47 PM on 01/12/2012
No, why?
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UnderTheHedgeWeGo
Show me some evidence.
08:42 PM on 01/12/2012
No, it applies to every religion, that is why it is so absurd to worry about being overrun by Sharia law (beyond the fact that I can't imagine the circumstance where that could happen anyway).
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11:20 PM on 01/13/2012
Believe it-Sharia Law has started to over run, Non Muslims!
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caseyjosh
faber est quisque fortunae suae. aut viam inveniam
05:50 PM on 01/12/2012
From business perspective only:
Save Our State amendment prohibits considering international law.
If an Oklahoma company and a Chinese company entered into a contract that contained provision that the agreement shall be interpreted, construed and governed under Chinese law (this happens all the time), Save Our State amendment prohibits the Oklahoma court from considering Chinese law.
Consequently, if Chinese company does not adhere to contract rules (this happens all the time), chances of claiming anything in China by an American company are slim but since Save Our State amendment only permits state courts to adhere to certain federal and state laws, which do not include Chinese law
... guess who gets screwed ...
01:08 PM on 01/13/2012
Totally. The people who wrote this are so out of touch with the way things work and the issues of contract law.

With so many flaws in the ordinance, one has to wonder if it was ever to be taken seriously.
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
04:10 PM on 01/13/2012
As somebody said above, it was all about political posturing.
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mabinog
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05:03 PM on 01/12/2012
"The federal appeals court in Denver attempted to silence the voice of 70 percent of Oklahoma voters," Sykes said in a statement."

To put it another way the fed appeals court prevented tyranny by the majority and protect individual rights.
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fireart
I got mine the hard way.
06:37 PM on 01/12/2012
Your insane!!!
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mabinog
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07:01 PM on 01/12/2012
no just believe the 1st Amendment applies to all Americans no matter their religion.

Don't you?
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kareemachan
watashi ha tororu ga oroka da to omoi masu。
04:11 PM on 01/13/2012
"you're"
ScaredAcademic
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04:19 PM on 01/12/2012
Reading the comments in this thread makes me think that I woke up in the Christian version of Iran. For all of this talk about the Constitution, it seems that no one has read it. If they had, this story wouldn't even need to be reported because bigoted singling out of any religion is dealt with by that First Amendment thingee.
05:03 PM on 01/12/2012
Sharia Law is an affront to the Constitution of the United States.

It should be banned in all forms in every civilized country.
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JustAGurlinSeattle
I'm in the 1% and I stand w/ the 99%!!
06:18 PM on 01/12/2012
well then they should try to ban the Jewish and Catholic equivalent Civil Laws..... NOT just pick on the Muslim Civil Laws....
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mabinog
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06:28 PM on 01/12/2012
lol, good on you but the reason this law was passed had nothing to do Sharia law, it was just the excuse....
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JustAGurlinSeattle
I'm in the 1% and I stand w/ the 99%!!
06:21 PM on 01/12/2012
It is quite frightening if you ask me... I hate reading all of this hate directed at people just because Americans fail to understand the culture.... nor want to educate themselves of just what Sharia laws really are.... most don't even know that the Jewish and Catholics have the same types of Civil laws in place in the USA.... they just want to hate on Muslims.... and it is just sad..
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jstanavgguy
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07:31 PM on 01/14/2012
I am sorry, but no one is denying them the right to live according to their culture. However, the laws of this land preclude ANY religious laws, regardless of the faith.

yes, Jews and Catholics have certain church law that they follow. However, they are not asking for them to be used in the courts of the land, but there own courts.

Orthodox Jews have courts in their synagogues, which are overseen by the rabbis. The go to those courts to settle disputes.

Catholics must get an annulment if they are divorced, and want to re-marry in the church.

But neither of those situations have anything to do with the courts of the land.
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Robert Cat
Low probability events occur
02:33 PM on 01/15/2012
I understand the Muslim's violent, brutal, oppressive culture just fine.

Sharia Law has gotten a foothold in Britain. That means there are communities where Islamic law is superceding the law of the land. They hold their own Sharia Law Court and decide whatever they want.

This needs to be prevented from happening here. Fighting against Muslims practicing their harsh religion over here has nothing to do with hate.
12:24 PM on 01/12/2012
This is AMERICA! Speak English...follow America's laws...or just get the he** out!
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hawaiianstile
all hail the balance of nature.
01:54 PM on 01/12/2012
did you read the article? can you read?
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fireart
I got mine the hard way.
06:56 PM on 01/12/2012
???? What?