Zuccotti Park Barricades Removed: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Stream Back In To Former Camp

Zuccotti Park Barricades

First Posted: 01/10/12 09:57 PM ET Updated: 01/11/12 09:56 PM ET

By CHRISTIAN SALAZAR, The Associated Press

NEW YORK -- Barricades surrounding a park that served as a camp for Occupy Wall Street protesters were removed Tuesday, allowing protesters to stream back in.

The atmosphere was celebratory but calm on Tuesday evening as about 300 protesters began filling New York City's Zuccotti Park a couple of hours after the barricades were taken down and a day after a complaint about the barricades was filed with the city. Protesters milled around, eating lasagna on paper plates and playing chess.

Security guards who were previously guarding the barricades stood off to the side, along with a handful of police officers. It was a minor victory for the protesters, who have complained about financial inequality in demonstrations that gained traction across the globe.

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"Word spread pretty quickly, and we ran down here," demonstrator Lauren DiGioia said. "It's hard to remember what it was like before the barricades were put up."

Police spokesman Paul Browne said the NYPD and Brookfield Office Properties, the park's owner, had been talking about removing the barriers last week. The decision was made to remove them Tuesday because officials felt they were no longer necessary, Browne said.

Brookfield spokeswoman Melissa Coley confirmed in an email that the barricades were taken down but declined to comment further. A Brookfield employee who refused to give his name told an Associated Press reporter: "The barriers are down, but the other rules are the same."

Some Occupy protesters planned to stay overnight, DiGioia said, but it was unclear whether they planned to use tents or sleeping bags, which have been banned from the lower Manhattan park since an early morning police raid evicted protesters Nov. 15.

One security guard told a group of protesters: "No sleeping bags allowed, either, OK, folks?"

Zuccotti Park regulations, stipulated by Brookfield, ban everything from erecting tents or tarps to lying down on benches. Those rules were not enforced until the police raid, and were only made public after protesters began occupying the park on Sept. 17. Until then, the only visible rules posted in the park forbade skateboarding, rollerblading and bicycling.

Protester Jeff Brewer said he tried to erect a tent but it was quickly taken down by security guards.

"I was still putting in the poles when they showed up," Brewer said. "Our food is in, our library is up. I think it's going to be a big celebration for us in the park right now."

On Monday, civil rights groups filed a complaint with the city's buildings department saying the barricades were a violation of city zoning law because they restricted public access to the space. The New York Civil Liberties Union commended the removal of the barricades in a statement late Tuesday.

"We're pleased the city is finally giving the park back to the people," said NYCLU Executive Director Donna Lieberman. "We hope Zuccotti Park can now resume its rightful place as a center for meeting and protest in New York City."

Since the eviction, members of the public had only been able to enter the public through two checkpoints at the park that were guarded by police officers or security personnel.

The granite plaza near the New York Stock Exchange is one of more than 500 "bonus plazas" in the city: privately owned public parks borne of a little-known compromise struck in 1961 between the city and developers. According to the compromise, in exchange for building a towering skyscraper, developers had to also construct a plaza that would provide "light and air" for passers-by. The bigger the plaza, the taller the building could be.

Virtually all bonus plazas are required to be open 24 hours a day, barring a safety issue. They are governed by specific regulations in the zoning law. For example, the law states that the layout of such plazas must promote public use and easy pedestrian circulation throughout the space.

The complaint accused the city of failing to enforce the law by allowing the barricades to exist. Buildings department spokesman Tony Sclafani said Monday that inspectors had found no problems at the park.

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Associated Press writers Meghan Barr and Jennifer Peltz contributed to this report.

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Via HuffPost Miami:

When an Occupy Miami member offered evicted protestors vacant apartments in a building he owns in Downtown Miami's Overtown neighborhood, it seemed like the perfect solution: the 'Peace City' space would provide headquarters for the movement and shelter a small faction of the group's most vulnerable members. But it hasn't gone well. Other tenants say the building has become a cesspool of drug use and violence while non-resident Occupy Miami members are trying to distance themselves from the 'radicals' -- all while the two factions are wrestling for control over Occupy Miami's social media sites and future plans.

From the Miami New Times:

The feud between the Overtown occupiers and more mainstream members has only gotten worse. The two factions are now battling for control of Occupy Miami's social media sites. The movement's main Twitter account recently announced it had been "hijacked by a small, non-consensus group of radical members." The Occupy Miami Facebook page was also temporarily hacked by someone inside Peace City. Meanwhile, the Overtown occupation is slowly driving away more moderate members.

"This is a black eye on the Occupy movement," says Shannon Reaze, an Overtown community organizer and Occupy Miami supporter who is now helping tenants move out of Paz's building. "The violence and drugs going on here are way outside of what I thought Occupy stood for. This place is destabilized."

...The supposedly hard-core activists here spend their days drinking and getting high. And as Peace City devolves into lawlessness, the most committed occupiers are leaving. Local landowners and politicians want the place shut down, while cops are suspicious. Yet as long as Paz wants the protesters around, nothing short of a demolition order can keep them out.

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Via HuffPost DC:

WASHINGTON -- Occupy DC has a new lawsuit involving tents on its hands. But it doesn't involve temporary structures in McPherson Square.

Two protesters arrested during a February action outside Merrill Lynch's offices on 15th Street NW near McPherson Square have filed suit against the Metropolitan Police Department, Legal Times reports. (Read the complaint here.)

The plaintiffs, Samuel Dukore and Kelly Canavan, were part of a "targeted occupation" of Merrill Lynch on Feb. 13 where protesters were raising awareness about Merrill Lynch's reportedly close ties with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.). Issa, for his part, claims that the reports of these close ties are "wildly inaccurate."

Full story here.

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OWS reports via its website:

After the brutal attack on the attempted re-occupation of Liberty Square by NYPD on the 6-month anniversary of #OWS, a number of Occupiers have relocated their base of occupation to Union Square in midtown Manhattan, a point of convergence for several #OWS protests over the past 6 months.

According to reports on the ground, several dozen people slept in the park after the illegal and violent raid on Liberty Square. Over 70 people remain, now on Day 3. Although tents and tables are still banned, Occupiers have brought blankets and sleeping gear. Many are calling it ¨the new Occupation.¨ In addition to holding General Assemblies, Union Square Occupiers are providing vital jail support for those arrested on #M17 as they are released from NYPD custody. So far, the NYPD has made no attempt to remove Occupiers or prevent them from sleeping in the park.

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Occupy Long Beach is defending the mother's home. For more information, click here.

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The woman had the apparent seizure has been identified by the New York Observer as Cecily McMillan:

Cecily McMillan, an Occupy Wall Street activist once profiled in Rolling Stone, suffered a seizure Saturday night during protest action near Zuccotti Park. Many on-scene reported Ms. McMillan had trouble breathing after she was tackled and handcuffed by law enforcement.

A video uploaded to Youtube late Saturday night purports to show the attack. Two women can be heard commenting, “There’s Cecily,†then there is confusion as the police clearly perform a violent take-down on someone in the crowd.

According to Jeff Sharlet’s November, 2011 article about the Occupy Movement, this may be Ms. McMillan’s second violent encounter with police.

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Cops caught on video about 10 seconds in taking down the woman who had the apparent seizure:

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Watch video from inside Zuccotti Park as police moved in late last night:

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The paper reports from last night's chaos at Zuccotti Park:

At one point, a woman who appeared to be suffering from seizures flopped on the ground in handcuffs as bystanders shouted for the police to remove the cuffs and provide medical attention. For several minutes the woman lay on the ground as onlookers made increasingly agonized demands until an ambulance arrived and the woman was placed inside.

By 12:20 a.m., a line of officers pushed against some of the remaining protesters, forcing them south on Broadway, at times swinging batons and shoving people to the ground.

Kobi Skolnick, 30, said that officers pushed him in several directions and that as he tried to walk away, he was struck from behind in the neck. “One of the police ran and hit me with a baton,†he said.

To read the full story, go here.

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@ Greg_Palast : Our photographer ZD Roberts beaten @OWS Zucotti Park by cops. Thrown to ground, hair grabbd, hit with clubs while yelling, I'M PRESS PRESS!

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@ macfathom : Doubling east on Barclay, and now the ragged front of the march is at City Hall. #OWS

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@ LuddoftheFuture : girl in the street having a seizure and the cops have her in handcuffs. can this get any worse (live at http://t.co/4pLyy3gP)

Activists cry out for paramedics. The woman is limp on the ground. "Come on you violent bastards where's the paramedics?"

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@ jeffrae : March is heading north up broadway #ows #occupywallstreet

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@ macfathom : Dozens of arrests, many cuffed and sitting on broadway waiting for their ride to jail. #OWS

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@ RDevro : Police are barricading the park. It's cleared. I witnessed countless violent arrests. No way to estimate numbers.

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@ troutish : Protesters being dragged out by the head at #OWS #Zucotti Park http://t.co/qomhKkrA

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Cops pulling apart human chains. There are shouts for mic checks. Now, chants start forming. "The NYPD are sweeping through," says Tim on the live stream.

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@ ANIMALNewYork : Police are moving in. It's chaos.

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@ ANIMALNewYork : NYPD just made an announcement that Brookfield has to "clean the park" and Liberty Plaza is officially "closed."

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@ OccupyWallStNYC : Bagpipers just started marching into the park bringing the party mood with them, NYPD arrested one of them, and things got real heated. #OWS

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@ JackieHRye : NYPD just "destroyed" the tent in Zuccotti Park, Occupiers call for its re-building. Marching band also going through the park. #OWS

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@ RDevro : The tent in the middle of the park continues to fill with people planning to stay the night. Lots of energy here.

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Activists ask for more room as the tent is growing, expanding.

"It looks like a floating tent." -- as Tim on his live stream.

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@ OccupyWallStNYC : .@justawall is leading us in a song! "Hit the road, banks! And don't ya come back no more no more no more no more!" #OWS

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Activists have assembled make-shift, cardboard sleeping areas inside Zuccotti Park. The cardboard is joined by a large green tarp.

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@ RDevro : A tarp is going up in Zuccotti as protesters march around the park chant-dancing. #m17 http://t.co/rJfP3GF9

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04:28 PM on 01/15/2012
pbs bill moyers on OWS,
http://billmoyers.com/
10:24 AM on 01/15/2012
from the Bill of Rights: First Amendment – Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

No where in the First Amendment does it say citizens must have a "Permit" to exercise speech and to peacefully assemble. Being arrested by order of local thug politicians and their enforcers for "occupying" is illegal and immoral and really translates to... we, the people, have no rights. Everything we've been taught in civics about our freedoms is merely a sham when you find yourself being beaten by some cop wielding a baton when you're simply exercising your 'so-called rights'.
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11:37 AM on 01/15/2012
Exactly, because to deny a permit is to put the government in violation of the First Amendment, right? So everyone who has been denied a permit to exercise free speech or peacefully assemble has had their rights violated.

Police in Amarillo, TX helped eject 13 Occupiers from a Greyhound bus because the bus driver said "Occupy will not occupy this bus." What right did the police have to deny paying customers service because the driver did not agree with their political beliefs? They claim it was because they were videotaping, but if the driver had told them it was against company policy, they would have stopped. He didn't give them a chance, and the police backed him up.
03:36 PM on 01/15/2012
It seems like every town or city in the US has some trumped up rule that denies citizens the right of expression in speech or assembly because people aren't allowed to actually group together and hold up signs or shout out their feelings - or even occupy a bus. This is unbelievable. It just makes the Berkeley protests in the 60s look amazing when you contrast how many people were willing to stand up for freedoms for the love of country - not like the ambivalence you see today and the thuggery of law enforcement and politicos.

I still say that everyone (EVERYONE) should converge on DC - millions - to take back this country from politicians, lobbyists, bankers, hedge fund managers, venture (vulture) capitalists, etc. Perhaps we need to hire Tebow to "pray" for a miracle - this country could certainly use one to save it from the greed we are seeing on display.
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10:20 AM on 01/15/2012
13 Occupy San Diego and Occupy LA members kicked off a bus in Amarillo Texas on their way to Occupy Congress. The driver kicked them off because "occupy isn't going to occupy this bus." Amarillo police agreed, and they spent 13 hours waiting for another bus. At one point, a Greyhound employee tried to make them leave the station.

Why isn't anyone here reporting on this? I swear, HuffPo is always a day late and a dollar short!
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William J Unverferth Sr
Snark attack.
06:59 AM on 01/16/2012
Like most businesses they reserve the right to refuse service. to ows nobody else's rights matter.
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06:58 AM on 01/15/2012
Much support and good wishes to you where ever you are. Forgive my ignorance, but considering you are all mixed up from different parts of the country--you all WILL be properly registered to VOTE, by November, right?
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NY Guy
President Romney - get used to it.
12:23 PM on 01/14/2012
So you go to college to get a job, then you complain about your student loans, then you complain that you can't get a job, then you harass banks that are coming to the colleges to hire graduates. Simply wonderful.
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07:01 AM on 01/15/2012
You must doing well in your life. Kudos. Many grads cannot find work in a field they were prepared for. Lots of employers will hire only temp workers so they don't have to pay good wages or benefits. And maybe banks shouldn't have given out huge loans to 18 and 19 yr old, unemployed kids.
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04:40 PM on 01/15/2012
This guy has a problem with Freedom of Speech and Assembly and derides the OWS across the nation, as a bunch of whiners. I find that to be a smart-a** reaction , as a spectator of life.
02:48 PM on 01/16/2012
You take any job until one in your field opens up..You do not default on your loans and expect the taxpayer to bail you out. One MUST take person responsibility for their OWN actions!
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09:57 PM on 01/13/2012
human mic check at princeton against goldman sachs and jp morgan is EPIC!!!!
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NY Guy
President Romney - get used to it.
12:23 PM on 01/14/2012
The shame of them for wanting to hire college graduates.
10:26 AM on 01/15/2012
Go away. You're living in the matrix and loving it.
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William J Unverferth Sr
Snark attack.
07:06 AM on 01/16/2012
>protest not having jobs and big student loans
>prevent college graduates from getting hired
> mfw go OWS

Logic?? I think not.
07:29 AM on 01/13/2012
Poets stand with Zucotti Park 99ers: Coming Jan. 15 -- Liberty's Vigil, The Occupy Anthology: 99 Poets among the 99%! Read on:

Ninety-nine poets from 22 states and 6 countries speak out on behalf of the 99%, encouraging their fellow citizens to join in the effort to end corporate excess and income inequality, and win back the middle-class from corporate titans and their political puppets. Co-editors Karla Linn Merrifield and Dwain Wilder have assembled the first anthology of its type in the world to inspire readers to take action on behalf of the 99%.

Contributing poet Chris Crittenden of Lubec, ME, remarked on the historical nature of the anthology, saying: “The Wall Street debacle of 2008 is the blow that broke the weakened backbone of American supremacy. Ninety-nine voices within these hand-sewn pages capture the outrage, shame and anguish of a vast potential squandered. They embody the wounded consciousness of a fractured and dismayed citizenry,

“Poetry wields a special force in the Occupy movement. It is a medium that comes from the deep roots of our subconscious, in a myriad of styles, to focus attention on social injustice and political tyranny,†says contributing poet Devreaux Baker. And myriad is a key word.

Liberty’s Vigil, is available for $20.00 at selected bookstores nationwide – ISBN 978-0-931053-81-8 -- and from FootHills Publishing at www.foothillspublishing.com. FootHills Publishing, celebrating its 26th anniversary this year, is headquartered in Wheeler Hill, N.Y.
11:17 PM on 01/15/2012
There once was a protestor from Nantucket...
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OMG....in November 2012
08:54 PM on 01/12/2012
As the big left funded and supported occup0-0ers dwindle into non-existence, and this site continues to prop them up, I get nice chuckle out of knowing that part of the ad revenue generated by this site, for ads, including Obama re-election ads, is taken by the parent company and sent directly to the EIB network for advertising.

Oh the irony...
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12:12 PM on 01/13/2012
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/oct/10/facebook-posts/viral-facebook-post-ceo-worker-pay-ratio-has-obscu/

THE ABOVE ADDRESS IT WHAT'S ABOUT.

Because of the above site - This will never go away. NEVER. It will just get louder
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12:16 AM on 01/15/2012
The movement is something everybody can participate in, OCCUPY WASHINGTON DC JAN 17
You can sit at home and call your elected officials and tell them what for. And be sure and send them e-mails to follow up on your requests. After all they are voted in to represent the people they serve. Just saying, can't hurt.
01:57 PM on 01/12/2012
Wow that's a lot of vitriol and very little problem solving. I'm personally for looking into various amendment processes to get Citizens United blocked and control the amount of corporate funding in elections.
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OMG....in November 2012
08:37 PM on 01/12/2012
So..you want union funding out as well, right?
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President Romney - get used to it.
07:35 AM on 01/12/2012
Time to bring back the poop cans and hand sanitizer.
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11:41 AM on 01/12/2012
you poor thing... having bowel control problems?

you have the perfect job, spewing non-sense on blogs while sitting on the terlet!
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10:07 AM on 01/13/2012
I demonstrated and participated in "Sit Ins" in the 60s and 70s for equal rights and against the war in Vietnam. We stopped the war.

Both my sons are struggling financially. One son with 2 jobs he is making 1/2 what he used to make surveying and can't get a loan to start a business. The 1% should pay more taxes and are paying less taxes than my husband and me. One martini buys 2 gallons of milk. $7.50 doesn't even buy one martini. Are you gettin' the picture??

I'm old and my hair is white but I'm bringing my dog and my porta potty to the Capitol to "Sit- In" they can put me in jail and I'll sit THERE. So look out salamabit cause it's just getting started.
12:27 PM on 01/12/2012
I share your frustration, but poop jokes, and "get a job" comments make it easy for Occupiers to tune out all disagreement. They point to a comment like that and say "See? Anyone opposing us has no serious points to make." If you are a conservative or a Tea Party member, you have a completely valid discrimination issue to criticize Occupy over.

It is simply not fair that the Tea Party had to get permits and Occupy didn't. I am ashamed of the entire Left that such a thing happened and was accepted by many. It wasn't okay, and if you stick to that issue you'll find Occupiers really have no answer. Deep down, they know they got special privileges and it wasn't fair.
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06:35 AM on 01/12/2012
if you want REAL change rather than lip service from both parties.....occupy occupy occupy.

occupy congress j17

OCCUPY

WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE

ANOTHER WORLD IS POSSIBLE

OCCUPY WALL STREET

OCCUPY EVERYWHERE


occupation of national mall to begin.

http://www.occupybus.com/
11:34 AM on 01/12/2012
Slogans are not enough. What exactly do you want Congress to do? Is it okay for you to force Congress to do it, or should you have to go through the same process as everyone else who's ever wanted Congress to do something?

Many other worlds are possible, but a world where angry mobs simply ignore any laws they disagree with, no matter who they hurt, in attempts to intimidate Congress, is not a world that most of us want to live in.
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02:38 PM on 01/12/2012
you don't get it.

it's BECAUSE both parties don't listen to the people,
it's BECAUSE elections are broken that people have resorted to occupy movement.


if politicians/politics solved problems, we wouldn't need the occupy movement.
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11:18 PM on 01/12/2012
THIS IS HOW YOU FIX CONGRESS!

1. No Tenure / No Pension.

A Congressman/woman collects a salary while in office and receives no pay when they're out of office.

2. Congress (past, present & future) participates in Social Security.

All funds in the Congressional retirement fund move to the Social Security system immediately. All future funds flow into the Social Security system, and Congress participates with the American people. It may not be used for any other purpose.

3. Congress can purchase their own retirement plan, just as all Americans do.

4. Congress will no longer vote themselves a pay raise. Congressional pay will rise by the lower of CPI or 3%.

5. Congress loses their current health care system and participates in the same health care system as the American people.

6. Congress must equally abide by all laws they impose on the American people.

7. All contracts with past and present Congressmen/women are void effective 1/1/12. The American people did not make this contract with Congressmen/women.

Congressmen/women made all these contracts for themselves. Serving in Congress is an honor, not a career. The Founding Fathers envisioned citizen legislators, so ours should serve their term(s), then go home and back to work.
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Despite your politics, I like you anyway.
10:57 AM on 01/13/2012
you've been typing that same comment for like 6 months...a new strategy may help you
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06:35 AM on 01/12/2012
voting for "lesser of two evils" is still voting in "evil"

we need REAL change.....no more illusions of choice
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03:12 PM on 01/13/2012
unfortunately right wing voters are not equally naive.
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06:32 AM on 01/12/2012
Oakland Police Disciplined For Name-Covering

An Oakland police lieutenant was demoted and an officer was suspended after footage surfaced of the officer concealing his name during a recent Occupy Oakland protest. The San Francisco Chronicle reports:

Officer John Hargraves covered his first initial and last name while providing security at police headquarters during the Nov. 2 general strike, a video shot by Terrence Jerod Williams showed.


In the video, Williams tells Hargraves, "It's kind of weird that you actually are not showing your name. Why is that? Simple question."

Hargraves does not respond. Williams then approaches Lt. Clifford Wong, who is standing with other officers outside the building on Seventh Street downtown. After an inaudible conversation between Hargraves and Wong, Wong removes the tape.

YEAH!!!!

POWER OF THE VIDEO RECORDER!!!!
05:14 AM on 01/12/2012
I am a progressive Liberal, and I cannot support Occupy because its tactics violate most of the core principles I believe in.

I believe ends don't justify means. It is not okay to violate other people's rights because it'd be more expedient for you. Blocking others' travel, or use of their public lands, is simply wrong to do. It wasn't okay when anti-abortionists did it to people trying to get into Planned Parenthood, and it's not okay for OWS to do either.

I believe it's an unacceptable violation of equal rights for the law to be applied differently to one group than it would be to another group, based solely on the content of the messages the groups promote. It's not okay to require the Tea Party to get a permit, but tell OWS they can do as they please.

I believe in science as a central guiding principle. Science tells us that humans need a basic standard of sanitation to avoid creating a disease vector for everyone nearby. If it wouldn't be okay for the Red Cross to put refugees in particular conditions, it's not okay for people to inflict those conditions on themselves in a display of self-mortification either.

OWS needs to accept that it's not just conservatives objecting to their tactics, it's dyed-in-the-wool progressives like me, and my objection is much more principled than "they're stinky."
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08:36 AM on 01/12/2012
YOU....ARE NOT A PROGRESSIVE...
11:23 AM on 01/12/2012
Are you certain you understand what it means to be progressive? Can you explain what progressive principle allows Occupy to violate the travel and land use rights of other people? What Liberal value allows one group to demand special privileges that no other group is given?

Sorry, claiming a right to force other people to hear you, not just a right to speak, is a fascist idea, not a liberal one. Other people have a right to ignore you, and as a progressive I will fight for their right to do that.
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Proud member of the evil 1%
07:30 AM on 01/13/2012
yes, they are not a progressive, because they recognize hypocrisy when they see it. The recognize that a violation of someone's rights is a violation - regardless of if you like the group who's rights were violated.
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10:48 AM on 01/12/2012
You are a right wing tr0ll, here is your nickle.
11:49 AM on 01/12/2012
So my entire comment history, going back to 2008, is all a clever ploy to create "cover" for me to now use for trolling? Come on. It's very disturbing that hard-core Occupy supporters seem literally incapable of processing the idea that someone might genuinely disagree with you, for solid progressive reasons. If you are so invested in your ideas that you honestly cannot believe that anyone of goodwill could disagree, then you're no longer using logic, you're following a cult.
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Knowledge is power.
07:36 AM on 01/13/2012
and you are Spock!!! do i get a cookie???
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Walking an 87-year-old in the sand isn't easy
02:17 AM on 01/12/2012
The SuperPAC was my idea. I'm glad someone is using it.