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Timothy Geithner's Badly Timed Greenspan Tribute: 'You're Pretty Terrific'

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First Posted: 01/12/12 03:36 PM ET Updated: 01/12/12 04:07 PM ET

WASHINGTON -- A set of recently released transcripts of internal Federal Reserve communications includes a burst of profuse praise from then-New York Fed President Timothy Geithner directed toward then-Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan.

"Mr. Chairman, in the interest of crispness, I've removed a substantial tribute from my remarks," Geithner said during a Jan. 31, 2006, meeting of the central bank's Federal Open Market Committee. Attendees responded with laughter, according to the transcript.

"I am most appreciative," Greenspan replied.

"I'd like the record to show that I think you're pretty terrific," Geithner said, prompting more laughter. "And thinking in terms of probabilities, I think the risk that we decide in the future that you're even better than we think is higher than the alternative."

Geithner's probability estimate was a bit off. Today, Greenspan is the subject of criticism from all corners -- notably including U.S. Circuit Judge Richard Posner, a Ronald Reagan appointee -- for his refusal to combat or even recognize the predatory lending-fueled housing bubble.

For several years leading up to 2006, Federal Reserve Governor Edward Gramlich had warned Greenspan and other central bank officials about dangers brewing in the subprime mortgage market. Gramlich left the Fed in 2005, but Greenspan declined not only to attempt to pop the ballooning housing bubble, but even to try to regulate abusive lending. Posner and others have denounced Greenspan's decision to keep interest rates low for a very long time as a monetary policy failure, which, combined with his refusal to enforce consumer protection regulations, allowed that bubble to ossify into an economic wrecking ball.

At the time Geithner praised Greenspan, the Fed chairman was widely respected among conservatives and neo-liberals, but concerns were already circulating about the potential implications of the subprime mortgage problems. Within months, Ben Bernanke would replace Greenspan as Fed chair and make a host of reassuring comments in the media about the subprime debacle being "contained."

Greenspan, an acolyte of novelist-philosopher Ayn Rand, eventually acknowledged before Congress that his "ideology" was not equipped to handle the rapacious behavior of major banks during the housing bubble.

"I made a mistake in presuming that the self-interests of organizations, specifically banks and others, were such as that they were best capable of protecting their own shareholders and their equity in the firms," Greenspan told then-House Oversight Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Calif.) in 2008. "I have found a flaw. I don't know how significant or permanent it is. But I have been very distressed by that fact."

Eighteen months after Geithner offered his private praise for Greenspan, two Bear Stearns hedge funds failed, setting off a massive credit crunch among the nation's lenders. A year after that, Lehman Brothers failed, ushering in the worst recession since the Great Depression.

But in early 2006, Geithner saw mostly clear skies ahead.

"[T]he economy looks pretty good to us, perhaps a bit better than it did at the last meeting. With the near-term monetary policy path that's now priced into the markets, we think the economy is likely to grow slightly above trend in '06 and close to trend in '07," Geithner said. "On the darker side, we have the familiar concerns about potential adverse shocks, energy supply disruptions, terrorism, etc. But even in the absence of these events, we face a fair amount of uncertainty about key elements of the forecast. The prevailing expectation of a gradual moderation in housing prices and a relatively small increase in the saving rate could prove too optimistic. Private investment growth could slow further, productivity growth could disappoint, risk premiums could rise sharply. And, of course, that could happen even in the absence of a major deterioration in the growth or inflation outlook. But this, on balance, still leaves us with what looks like a relatively balanced set of risks around what is still a quite favorable growth forecast."

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nanreh
04:26 PM on 01/20/2012
a simple thing can be done to tax trades in WS.

1. zero taxes on transactions involving stocks of corporations in the USA that create jobs;

2. 10% of the trade in continental and intercontinental stock transactions involving corporations with no jobs creation;

3. 20% on trades that just exchange money to make money.

THAT WILL STOP OF VULTURE/PREDATORY MITT ROMNEY TYPE OF TRANSACTIONS..........
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collettethehedgehog
My micro-bio is So running on empty
10:17 AM on 01/13/2012
Unpacking I came across an Economist at the time Greenspan decided to open the money floodgates and start the bubble. It depicts his head on David Hasselhoff in his Baywatch speedos coming to the rescue. See the rest of the world wasnt buying enough and American consumers needed to start buying more crap to pull them out of a possible recession. The mess we're in now began from such banal short term thinking. I'm keeping that cover lest I ever forget.
08:40 AM on 01/13/2012
Tim, you're terrific too. Now that we're done with the butt-kissing how about researching a method to tax Wall Street financial transactions. Maybe you're rich buddies can somehow pay a little bit for their rabid speculations.
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muck-raker
give me liberty or give me death
07:30 AM on 01/13/2012
Dumb Americans Deserve Unemployment: Greenspan
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“The former boss of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, said the reason Gen-Xers are unemployed and suffering from a lower standard of living is because they are lazy, stupid, and unproductive. U.S. companies would be better off hiring immigrants.â€

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DismayedRepub
300km/s Not just common sense, it’s the law
10:58 PM on 01/12/2012
The despicable Greenspan’s easy money policies are what set this whole debt crisis up. I despair Geithner hasn’t learned from these mistakes. We’re freaking doomed.
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racetoinfinity
racetoeternity
09:11 PM on 01/17/2012
No we're not. There's good news in Wisconsin, Michigan, and across the counrty with #occupy. Don't look to the White House, though.
08:45 PM on 01/12/2012
It's common knowledge and well-documented in that Greenspan's policies, or lack thereof, contributed greatly to 2008 financial meltdown. He's another over-rated bureaucrat who does not deserve the positive credit he gets. Considering most of this article highlights Timmy G. falling all over himself with praise for Greenspan speaks for itself. BO's economic policies have been a big hit, huh?
08:13 PM on 01/12/2012
Greenspan/Bernanke/Geithner are all willing to bow to the special interests who benefit from their reckless monetary policies.
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HeadlineZoo
07:17 PM on 01/12/2012
This whole financial crises could have and should have been avoided if Alan Greenspan had simply done his job as he had done before. In 2001 he abdicated his responsibility by not raising the Fed lending rate to banks to counter the Bush tax cuts weighted HEAVILY towards the wealthy.

That is Economics 101. Greenspan negotiated with President Clinton in 1993; they made a bargain: Clinton reduced the deficit by over 50% and Greenspan lowered the Fed lending rate. Had Clinton increased the deficit like Bush then Greenspan should have raised them. It's basic stuff.

But Greenspan chose to be a Republican first instead of an American first. He didn't want to "punish" Republican W Bush and guess what? We got one heck of housing bubble which made mortgage-backed securities worthless. That explains 95% of the problem.

If I lost money as an investor in any of these banks with mortgage-backed securities, I'd be looking at whether there were timely appraisals done on the properties every 6 months or so, and whether the securities themselves were reevaluated based on those property appraisals. It seems to me that there are a lot of possible law suits out there if people knew what to look into.
03:18 AM on 01/13/2012
He didn't seem to care about the econ. distortions indicated by/occasioned by "bubbles," yet he devoted himself to containing inflation..... Please reconcile those seeming(?) contradictions.....!
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HeadlineZoo
04:41 AM on 01/13/2012
The biggest heist in history in broad daylight.

It would be correct to say that during Bill Clinton's time in office, Alan Greenspan was an inflation hawk; if deficits were projected to go up then he would advocate a corresponding fed lending rate increase. He inexplicably did exactly NOTHING in 2001 as George W. Bush blew a hole in the nation's budget the size of Texas--all because of a tax cut tilted heavily towards the top one tenth of one percent; this made NO economic sense whatsoever. Greenspan's lack of action caused the housing bubble and he saw the Tsunami coming before he departed the Fed. Bush replaced him with Ben Bernanke, a Great Depression expert--nice coincidence, no?

The bottom line is that Alan Greenspan failed to raise the Fed lending rate in response to the enormous deficit caused by Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. The facts are the facts. Interest rates were artificially low and real estate shot through the roof floating on HOT AIR. We clearly pursued a weak dollar strategy. Where was Mr. Smooth Landing? Or Mr. Equilibrium? Missing in action.

When otherwise good people like Greenspan and former Justice Sandra O'Connor put party and ideology before country then bad things happen.
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OleProfessor
"Ours is not a system based upon trust"
07:05 PM on 01/12/2012
Greenspan's myopic amoral allegiance to Ayn Rand's bankrupt fascist immoral philosophy undermined the foundations of our nation's economic system..

Geithner is to Greenspan what Greenspan was to Ayn Rand, yet Obama continues to inflict Geithner upon America..
08:10 PM on 01/12/2012
Your assessment of Rand and Greenspan is accurate, but you are wrong to include Geithner in the same broad brushstrokes. After all, before the bubble burst, LOTS of people blindly praised Greenspan. It was far from just his acolytes.

So I am not surprise Geithner got caught up in the admiration cult, failing to exercise his better judgment. But that he really DOES have this better judgment is shown by what he did during the financial crisis, when he and Bernanke single handedly kept the nation from collapsing into a second Great Depression.
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OleProfessor
"Ours is not a system based upon trust"
08:39 PM on 01/12/2012
Actually what Geithner did was preserve the Casino andinequity in our systemand thawrt real reform..
08:59 PM on 01/12/2012
Rand's philosophy could not be more antithetical to fascism. The objectivist political philosophy is minimal government with no connection between state and economy. She was an advocate for pure laissez faire which leaves no room for a central bank, i.e. the Federal Reserve System. If Greenspan had such allegiance to Rand, he would never have become involved with the Fed. In fact he has been denounced by Rand and many of her followers since becoming involved with these central planning creeps. Please learn what you are talking about before you go spouting off. People can read what you write here.
03:09 AM on 01/13/2012
Her so-called phil. is bit more nuanced and, yes, tortured: She would advocate against a statist or facist system that opposed her ethics(???) of self-interest but would have looked the other way, had that same governance (though its ethics) enhanced her self-interest, e.g., $$ and/or power......

For the record, Greenspan WAS an ardent admirer of AR, and it ill serves you as a pedant when your scolding is off the mark....!
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collettethehedgehog
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10:01 AM on 01/13/2012
LMFAO.
07:02 PM on 01/12/2012
His big ego cost this country alot problems, he should be shamed the rest of his life
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collettethehedgehog
My micro-bio is So running on empty
10:02 AM on 01/13/2012
Not long enough. He should be remembered with Neville Chamberlain, Hoover, and Ponzi for all eternity.
01:15 PM on 01/13/2012
Lets hame him now as much as possible, no elder statesman status. Just a fool with a big ego who wrecked our country.
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breakingpoint
War is a Racket - Smedley Butler
06:56 PM on 01/12/2012
fraud fraud fraud
larceny larceny larceny
theft theft theft
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SouthernRaised
Fox's propaganda targets middle class voters.
06:45 PM on 01/12/2012
Greenspan was highly touted and given carte blanche by all of Washington and in fact the entire financial world. Only a few right-wing Ayn Rand kooks have yet to wake up to the facts and reality.
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collettethehedgehog
My micro-bio is So running on empty
10:08 AM on 01/13/2012
Actually there were dissenters and books written by them. Not all the financial world. But anybody with a different viewpoint was defined as naysayers, doom and gloom, etc... Jeez the lecturing, nagging going on in Europe, Asia and the rest of the world about how great the American capitalist model was and how the world should follow it. And those that did like the UK, Iceland, Ireland-well we know what happened to them. But instead those of us who were there arguing are now supposed to believe that it was socialism what done it. Talk about failure to accept personal responsibility and Voodoo Economics.
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SouthernRaised
Fox's propaganda targets middle class voters.
01:46 PM on 01/13/2012
Well stated.
06:45 PM on 01/12/2012
Alan Greenspan should be in jail and those who listen to his mumbling over the years while telling him how great he was should be lockedup in a mental ward. ps any tv station that has him on should be closed down
06:44 PM on 01/12/2012
That just about says it all about Geithner. The key financial mob insider.
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Gus DiZerega
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06:16 PM on 01/12/2012
They say great minds attract. Apparently so do very small ones.