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S&P Likely To Downgrade Much Of Eurozone

S And P Downgrade Europe

By SARAH DiLORENZO   01/13/12 11:41 AM ET   AP

PARIS -- Mounting speculation that a leading credit agency is to imminently downgrade the ratings of a number of eurozone countries drove global markets sharply lower Friday and sent the euro currency spinning down to a 17-month low.

The euro nose-dived on speculation that Standard & Poor's was finally going to deliver the downgrades it had threatened for much of the 17-nation eurozone just over a month ago over concerns of Europe's ability to get a grip on a debt crisis that's raged for around two years.

In the run-up to the last meeting of EU leaders on Dec. 9, S&P said it was putting 15 of the eurozone's nations on notice for a downgrade and there has been particular concern that France's rating would be cut.

A downgrade of the eurozone's triple A nations, such as France, could have far-reaching implications, potentially complicating the ability of Europe's bailout fund, the European Financial Stability Facility, or EFSF, to provide support to struggling countries. France is a major contributor to the EFSF.

Rumors of the downgrades provide further evidence that investors in the markets remain jittery despite some positive signs over Europe's debt crisis this week. Auctions from the likes of Italy and Spain have gone smoothly while the European Central Bank's chief noted signs of economic stabilization.

"This rally is not built on solid foundations so this (selling) is indicative that underlying there's not much confidence," said Louise Cooper, markets analyst at BGC Partners.

Standard & Poor's did not comment on the speculation.

Nevertheless, the market response to the speculation was fairly savage across all markets.

In Europe, Germany's DAX closed down 0.6 percent at 6,143.08 while the CAC-40 in France fell 0.1 percent to 3,196.49. The FTSE 100 index of leading British shares ended 0.5 percent lower at 5,636.64.

Meanwhile, the euro was 1.1 percent lower at $1.2672, having earlier fallen to a low of $1.2623, its lowest level since August 2010.

In the U.S., the Dow Jones industrial average was 0.7 percent lower at 12,381 while the broader Standard & Poor's 500 index fell 0.7 percent to 1,286.

Adding to unease was a dive in profit at J.P. Morgan Chase & Co of 23 percent in the last quarter of 2011.

Though the pickup in the stream of U.S. earnings will impact markets over the coming days and weeks, Europe's debt crisis is likely to remain the main focus.

Europe's crisis sprang from worries that countries had taken on more debt during boom years than they could pay back once their economies slowed.

Those concerns led investors to demand astronomically high yields or interest rates to lend money to countries like Greece, Ireland and Portugal, eventually forcing those three to seek bailout loans, rather than rely on market financing.

In recent months, it has seemed as if Italy would join that ignominious club, but that would present an insurmountable challenge: Italy's economy dwarfs the three that have sought rescues and Europe can't afford to bail it out.

Earlier, Asian shares were mostly higher, responding to Thursday's strong debt auctions in Spain and Italy. Japan's Nikkei 225 index rose 1.4 percent to close at 8,500.02 and South Korea's Kospi index moved 0.6 percent at 1,875.68. Hong Kong's Hang Seng index vacillated before closing in positive territory, up 0.6 percent to 19,204.42.

But mainland Chinese shares fell as investors continued to cash in on recent gains. The benchmark Shanghai Composite Index lost 1.3 percent to 2,244.58, while the Shenzhen Composite Index dropped 3.5 percent to 845.93.

Even oil prices, which have been rising on fears of a strike in Nigeria and an embargo of Iranian oil, fell Friday afternoon. When investors worry about the economy, energy prices typically fall since slow growth hurts demand.

Benchmark oil for February delivery was down 30 cents to $98.80 per barrel in electronic trading on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

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Pamela Sampson in Bangkok contributed to this report.

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11:11 AM on 01/14/2012
Gotta love this quote from Berkeley, CA: "This is good for the European Union, and it is also good for the rest of the world," Economides said. "The United States would like the Europeans to take more seriously their own crisis and deal with it."

The United States led by example by being downgraded and now preaches to the EU after which our current Administration wishes to model America while asking for another debt limit increase in excess of $1,000,000,000,000.00. Is that what we call taking our own crisis and dealing with it?
06:30 PM on 01/13/2012
It's already happened..with Obama leading the way to the AA rating
05:44 PM on 01/13/2012
This is what happens when politicians get elected by making too many promises that their citizens can't afford... Eventually their expenditures and debts grow too much and they end up bankrupting their countries.
05:39 PM on 01/13/2012
Just an idea for this site's designers: draw "AAA" as three Eiffel Towers.
03:25 PM on 01/13/2012
The world economic pendulum is swinging from the electronic investment,financial services side back to the commodity based side.This does not bode well for Europe which is resource poor.Look for the resource rich Russian Bear to cast a long shadow over Europe in the coming decades
03:20 PM on 01/13/2012
It is a major blow to the democrats who loves to practice Euro policies
firstwizard
Never trust anyone that says "Trust me.."
04:31 PM on 01/13/2012
Ah yes, because the Republican practices on the Good ship Lollipop with Captain Reagan have been working outstandingly.
02:48 PM on 01/13/2012
Not to mention, what these banks do not even put on the books but yet the taxpayer still has to pay for the losses.
Speaking of streamling-why do we need 3 worthless rating agencies?
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mbo2
03:02 PM on 01/13/2012
obviously, investors like the idea that investment alternatives can be graded

duh
02:39 PM on 01/13/2012
Having spent some time looking at a lot of what is and has been going on, a few words always seem to be associated with the European debt problem, Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan…in every case they are in the middle of it using some phony baloney derivative scheme, over leveraged scheme, and just plain fraud…so whose fault it is cannot be answered with simple things like they spend too much, or they do not like to work…we spend too much and we can’t work and we are in exactly the same boat and for pretty much exactly the same reasons…there is a poison pill out there that is going to be taking everyone down, and it goes by the name Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan…
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Seymoreclearly
Get your info from more than one source!
02:41 PM on 01/13/2012
BINGO.
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rbchilds
Independent with Open Eyes
02:18 PM on 01/13/2012
If every country gets downgraded, every country will have good credit because every country will be level again! sarcasm off.
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PerfectSense
Think - before Progressives outlaw thinking.
02:13 PM on 01/13/2012
Wait - do you mean high taxes and excessive government spending don't work!
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GWNumber1
FREEDOM!
02:16 PM on 01/13/2012
They just haven't taxed and spent enough yet....
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PerfectSense
Think - before Progressives outlaw thinking.
02:16 PM on 01/13/2012
My mistake.
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mbo2
03:03 PM on 01/13/2012
ha ha ha ha
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Seymoreclearly
Get your info from more than one source!
02:30 PM on 01/13/2012
Depends. If your country spent more than it took in, then your remedy is...taxes, right? Must get revenue from somewhere to pay off the debt, right? Can't fight wars without properly funding them, right? And let's not forget that when you put enough people out of work & route not only your taxpaying base, but allow corporations to pay little to no taxes AND outsource over 7% of your workforce to cheap foreign labor markets, eventually something has to give.

Over-spending (and not just on Obama's watch, thank you, but more a hallmark of rightwing govt control, those "who cares about deficits?" people), reduced revenues leading to record debt that just keeps compounding interest upon interest. We have to get the money from somewhere, we can't just sit on our hands like we've been doing for the last 4 yrs, waiting for money to fall from the sky, now can we? Every minute we delay paying down the debts incurred over the last 12 yrs of fiscal mismanagement is a day we can add to, not subtract from, our national debt.
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mbo2
03:04 PM on 01/13/2012
gee, is Greece in a war? I kinda thought this was about the Eurozone
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GWNumber1
FREEDOM!
02:11 PM on 01/13/2012
This is the European Tea Party's fault!
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Littlewords
My micro bio was outsourced to my nano-bio: I'm me
02:09 PM on 01/13/2012
We are past time to downgrade S&P.
02:29 PM on 01/13/2012
Totally agree. These rating agencies have no creditability anymore. I lived over 35 years in Europe and most of people in these posts have no clue of what they are talking about.
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mbo2
03:06 PM on 01/13/2012
everyone is free to ignore these ratings - but why blame them, they just report on the lousy risks presented by different investments, especially when such investment cannot pay off, as ala Greece
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GWNumber1
FREEDOM!
02:08 PM on 01/13/2012
Do liberals still see Europe as an example the US should follow?
02:10 PM on 01/13/2012
Boy do you live in a simple world.
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GWNumber1
FREEDOM!
02:15 PM on 01/13/2012
Was the "yes" or "no" question too difficult for you?
wbearl
Retired Manager Mechanical Operations
02:11 PM on 01/13/2012
Of course, don't you know that the blind can't see?
02:07 PM on 01/13/2012
if you people could read the comments of the people written by the italians on newspapers like Il Corriere della Sera.. the main idea is this: u.s.a. is wall street, and they have declared war to Europe and the euro .. I am sorry to say this, but the anti- american attitude is growing by the day here.I know an other student from France, and he says that in his country the feeling is pretty much the same. It is sad the E.u and the U.s.a in the future will take very different roads; in the long period this process will end up in the destruction of the N.A.T.O.
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GWNumber1
FREEDOM!
02:10 PM on 01/13/2012
But I thought Obama made everyone love us?
02:25 PM on 01/13/2012
At the beginning of the crisis in 2009 or in 2010 it was clear the distinction between the speculation of wall street and the people of the U.s.a, the many good people who were suffering because of the crisis as many europeans. Now this distiction is starting to disappear, and the hate is slowly being transferred from Wall Street to the whole nation. It is not logical or good, and I surely do not share this way of thinking, but that is what is happening.You will not find articles about this hate feeling written on the newspapers, because we live in the era of the policaly correct, If in the near future the U.s.a. and Israel decide to declare war against Iran, I surely do not know how much support the U.s.a can expect from their Nato "friends". The european governments who would support the U.s.a. in such folly would loose the support of their citizensa, who today see Wall Street as the European public enemy number one, like in the U.s.a people saw Osama Bin Laden in 2001...:|
wbearl
Retired Manager Mechanical Operations
02:16 PM on 01/13/2012
I'm retired now, but before retirement I was doing some traveling for the company I worked for. It included travel outside the US. One thing I learned real quick was everything was the US's fault. Bad grape crop in France, US Fault. Typhoon destroys rice crop, US Fault. 20% unemployment in Greece and Italy, US Fault. It's called jealousy, I just learned to ignore them.
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Seymoreclearly
Get your info from more than one source!
02:38 PM on 01/13/2012
It could be that there is anti-American sentiment, but when you factor in that we've meddled in many other countries' affairs, thrown our weight around like rabid gorillas especially in 3rd world countries, and allowed our banksters to collude & conspire to defraud not only our own people but many in other countries, gee......I wonder why the rest of the world gets pissed at us...??!!
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GWNumber1
FREEDOM!
02:06 PM on 01/13/2012
Europe's socialism is like a big fat diabetic whose feet are beginning to rot...
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Seymoreclearly
Get your info from more than one source!
02:50 PM on 01/13/2012
The thought behind what some Euro countries have done is that govts must, at some point, become responsive to their citizens. They can't just collect taxes & not put those taxes to use for the general citizenry. This is a notion that has lost ground in America as we've moved to some quasi-corporate owned fascist state. I'd rather live under semi- or pseudo-socialism because at least then I could count on my govt using my tax dollars to benefit the WHOLE of my country, rather than just those with whom they wish to curry favor.

So we, as a nation, must reduce the size of the federal govt where there are obvious redundancies. It has become bloated, abusive & parasitic. We must somehow pass laws which prevent our federal govt from spending beyond what it takes in except under the most extraordinary and/or catastrophic of circumstances. We must return some semblance of honor & service to our country as a hallmark of public service -instead of what we have now, which is a bunch of chiefs protecting their kingdoms.
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mbo2
03:09 PM on 01/13/2012
uh, we have a Constitution here, and such defined our central government as constrained

as in "the government cannot satisfy every damn want and need of anyone and everyone"

somehow the concept was forgotten/ignored - and we got nanny fat-ass government