Wall Street Bankers Quitting To Start Their Own Businesses

Wall Street Startups

First Posted: 01/13/12 01:50 AM ET Updated: 01/13/12 11:59 AM ET

Shane Robinson celebrated his Merrill Lynch job offer over lunch and cocktails at a trendy Manhattan restaurant. His bosses toasted him and asked what he planned to do with the $10,000 end-of-internship bonus. Robinson, then 24, in late 2007, said he would probably save it. "Why?" he recalls them asking. "Just go spend it -- you're going to make a lot more."

As the economy started to spiral downward less than six months later, bonuses dried up, layoffs ensued and the young banker was told by his superiors that he might want to begin looking for other opportunities.

"It left a bad taste in my mouth," Robinson says. "Why would I want to have my fate determined by things that are outside my control? If I'm going to fail, I would much rather fail because of my own doing."

Not long after the recession hit, Robinson decided to ditch finance. He contacted A.J. Steigman, a former Merrill Lynch colleague who had quit to start a sneaker store, and the two hashed out plans to create an urban clothing website that was part social network, part e-commerce. For months, they slept on friends' couches while fundraising in different cities. They spent countless hours online, building the core technology and a community around their streetwear blog. Finally, in 2010, the duo secured $265,000 from investors to make their startup Soletron a reality.

Soletron's founders' path from high-finance to high-tech is becoming increasingly well-trodden, according to economists, venture capitalists and startup CEOs -- especially now, as we see some contraction once again on Wall Street, not to mention the stigma Occupy Wall Street protesters have bestowed on the "1 Percent." As employee dissatisfaction spreads through the financial services industry amid waning profits, slashed bonuses and layoffs, New York's bustling world of tech startups is attracting and absorbing fed-up financiers, offering them jobs, cash and a shot at creating empires of their own.

"At the end of 2008, we started seeing more people who graduated from college three or four years before, went to work at a large bank, but became disillusioned with Wall Street and were moving on to tech and entrepreneurship," says Matt Harris, a managing partner at Village Ventures, a Manhattan-based venture-capital firm. Harris says that over each of the past three years he has seen the flow of talent from Wall Street to Silicon Alley increase.

For many Wall Street refugees, a "logical next step is technology and entrepreneurship," Harris says. That's because the world of tech startups "has some of the same elements as Wall Street," including the adrenaline, the high stakes and -- for a lucky few -- the outsized returns. Bankers "are accustomed to the prospect of being able to earn a really good living," he adds. "And while entrepreneurship is risky, when it works, it can really pay off."

According to a recent study, an average successful startup raises $25.3 million, sells for $196.8 million and gives its shareholders a 676 percent return. While those numbers represent a small percentage of all startups, they leave bankers, who have watched their salaries shrink and their colleagues get axed, squirming in their penny-loafers.

From 2008 to 2011, national employment in the financial services industry fell by 7.3 percent, while high-tech employment excluding manufacturing jumped 7.1 percent, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

In startup hubs like New York, where large numbers of new tech companies have popped up in recent years, the trend is even more pronounced.

The number of investment bank and brokerage firm employees in New York dropped by 17 percent from 2008 to 2011, according to analysis of government data by The New York Times. The number of bankers aged 20 to 34 fell by 25 percent in the same period. Meanwhile, in New York's high-tech sector, employment shot up by 30 percent from 2005 to 2010, city officials report.

While layoffs at large Wall Street banks continue to winnow the number of employees in New York's financial services sector, the allure of starting or joining technology firms in a city where Internet startup investments are soaring has pushed some bankers to the exits.

Glamorized media accounts of financiers turned successful startup CEOs provide added encouragement to professionally frustrated Wall Streeters.

There's the poster-boy in Silicon Valley, Mark Pincus, who began his career as a lowly stock analyst, graduated into private equity, but ultimately dumped finance to launch Zynga, the social-gaming startup that recently sold shares to the public at a $7 billion valuation.

Then there are the homegrown New York stories of Wall Street number-crunchers who started some of the city's hottest startups, including Vinicius Vacanti, the founder of Yipit, Andy Dunn of Bonobos, Alexa Von Tobel of Learnvest and Barry Silbert of SecondMarket.

Silbert, for his part, spent the early part of his career as an investment banker selling off pieces of bankrupt Enron. He soon discovered that the way people buy and sell illiquid assets was ripe for disruption, and went on to build an online marketplace that facilitated such transactions. That marketplace, now known as SecondMarket, currently employs 140 people in New York, is worth an estimated $200 million and has changed the way private-company shareholders trade their stock ahead of an initial public offering.

But for each successful startup that has grown out of a Wall Street hangover, or received a boost from ex-Wall Street talent, there are at least 100 new businesses that flop, creating and then ultimately destroying jobs. Some fear those numbers will grow as the threat of a startup credit crunch becomes more real.

As such, some experts believe established tech giants like Google and Facebook -- rather than the droves of young New York-based startups -- are the drivers of the city's rising high-tech employment numbers. Facebook, for its part, is opening a large office in New York, the social network recently announced, and Google already employs about 1,200 engineers in the city.

It's at these large technology companies, not at Goldman Sachs, where the new "status jobs" are, a former Goldman analyst recently told The New York Times.

Regardless of which group draws more people away from Wall Street -- the tech giants or the tech startups -- Google and Facebook building engineering talent in New York is a net positive for the city's startup community, according to John Frankel, a partner at ff Venture Capital, who spent 21 years at Goldman Sachs before he became a full-time venture investor in 2008.

"Google and Facebook, much like Goldman, attract a lot of very smart people to New York," Frankel says. "And many ex-Googlers end up starting their own businesses here. Much like people in finance move from big Wall Street banks to hedge funds after a few years, folks often spend two to three years at Google, get fed up with whatever aspect there, and then go off and do their own thing."

In the past week alone, Frankel says several people currently employed on Wall Street have sought him for advice on transitioning into the tech sector. One, a 55-year-old banker, told Frankel that he's thinking about creating a group that helps funnel Wall Street refugees into positions at high-growth startups. (Arguably, those mechanisms already exist in the form of New York's growing network of incubators and accelerators, many of which have seen an increase in the number of applicants with finance backgrounds.)

But perhaps the flow of talent from Wall Street to Silicon Alley, and more broadly, from financial services firms to entrepreneurial technology firms nationwide, is just a fad. After all, previous economic downturns have caused the financial services industry to shrink in the short-term. And perhaps this time around, it's just that the contraction is coinciding with a '90s-style tech startup bubble that will soon pop and send all the Zuckerberg-wannabes back to their trading desks.

Harris, of Village Ventures, who was investing in startups in the immediate aftermath of the late-'90s bubble popping, is concerned about what exactly draws the best and brightest to startups in the age of Facebook.

"I think venture capitalists have been guilty of creating a monolithic and, on average, incorrect view of what entrepreneurship means," Harris says. "If entrepreneurship means building the next Facebook, then 99.9 percent of people involved are going to be really disappointed with the outcomes.

"But I don't think this is just a phase," he adds. "Entrepreneurship is about building a career for yourself that doesn't rely on a large corporation and a boss to give you direction and give you security and give you a paycheck. Whether you should raise venture capital is an open question. Whether the outcome is an acquisition or a merger or just a lifetime job in a company that you own part of or all of is another open question. In most cases, the answer is you should not raise venture capital and you should never sell the business -- this is just how you live."

"As for going to back to a world in which people just check their own initiative at the door of a large company when they take the job there and don't reemerge until they're laid off," Harris says, "people's thinking on that has changed."

Correction: An earlier version of this report incorrectly stated that SecondMarket has 200 employees in its New York office. The company actually has 140 employees there.

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03:38 AM on 02/29/2012
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02:37 PM on 01/31/2012
There is no “war” against terrorism. What George W. Bush launched and Barack Obama insists on perpetuating does not qualify. Not if by war one means doing the obvious and checking a highly suspicious air traveller’s underwear to see if explosives have been sewn in. If Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab had put the stuff in his shoes we would have had him because that was tried before, but our government was too preoccupied with fighting unnecessary conventional wars and developing anti-missile defence systems to anticipate such a primitive delivery system. The explosives-laden underwear–worn by an airline passenger who had previously been flagged as a potentially dangerous fanatic, and who had paid cash for his ticket and had no checked luggage–was the terrorist’s weapon of choice, one that could have blown a hole in the side of Northwest Airlines’ Detroit-bound Flight 253 on Christmas Day, killing hundreds of innocents. But it is not a weapon to be effectively countered with the deployment of hundreds of thousands of American combat troops. Nor can it be stopped by the hundreds of billions of dollars worth of planes, subs and missiles in our arsenal of Cold War-era weapons, part of an annual defence budget that is higher in inflation-adjusted dollars than at any time in the past half-century. Are we going to recover from 2090 in any shape better then no we will take more time as the banks are so low that they cannot help us. Firozali A.Mulla
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03:48 PM on 01/21/2012
Yes. That's what we want. The biggest, greediest egos on the planet going into areas that promise asymmetric payoffs to the "best and brightest" - who knows where the next megalomanic "leaders" like Google or Facebook will come from?

The spirit of Ayn Rand will not be denied. We don't need no stinkin' solutions to real problems, we don't HAVE none of them real problems. Not in the US of A. No siree.
08:17 AM on 01/18/2012
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01:21 PM on 01/17/2012
When I got out of school entry level financial industry and Banking management jobs payed a little less than say an engineering job. But if you worked in the industry some years you would eventully go up to where you could buy a house and reach engineers equivalence, a few even better, but not everyone was guaranteed. There were no bonuses equivalent to 125k plus today. Now its expected even by the newest youngest employee. Where do you think the money comes from? From the underpaid working classes who get little returns from any finanical assets they own. The money definitely is a cash transfer from person A to person B through the gimmickery of our type of economy, especially the new money economy of financial engineering.
06:01 PM on 01/16/2012
Wall Street is shrinking. Being an Entrepreneur is the way to go in any income bracket... It can be done if one Decides to do it.
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rybalaw
01:31 PM on 01/17/2012
Been one for years as a small town Attorney
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08:33 AM on 01/16/2012
Wall Street has shrinking customer base as wealth concentrates into fewer hands. It will continue shrinking.
11:34 AM on 01/15/2012
This article is far too long for the point.
11:11 PM on 01/14/2012
After I worked 30 years for a well-known, very rigid company, I was able to 'retire' early. Have been working on a biz idea for the past 2.5 years taking baby steps. I've stayed busy by substitute teaching local public high schools, but time to move forward with my project now. Could go, and might have to, back into Corporate America to benefit other people, but I hope not.
11:40 AM on 01/15/2012
Worked in one place for 30 years,

Retired early, I assume with a better-than-most pension package. I assume that because it is since that thirty-year mark that defined benefit pensions turned into contribution plans or no plans at all.

Working on your business idea for 2.5 years, while staying busy substitute teaching.

Do you perhaps have to ask yourself if you have the risk tolerance and motivation to start your own venture?
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06:54 PM on 01/14/2012
If you are young and want to start your own business.....why not !! But not everyone can.
Capitalism's first priority has never been---nor ever will be the satisfaction of social need. US Corporations are sitting on around $1.9 trillion in surplus while millons are jobless or underemployed. I cannot imagine anything more financically un sustainable irrational and inefficient and unethical than an economic system that refuses to match surplus capital with surplus workers and machinery. After all, what is the market without morality ? Freedom without fairness? Efficiency without ethics.
11:43 AM on 01/15/2012
My decision not to hire people in my business, which I took the risk to start, has nothing to do with morality or ethics.
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JoAnn Kennedy
04:54 PM on 01/14/2012
Wall street is laying off, ??? people are fleeing for venture capital and start ups? does anyone remember what happened to the dot.COM bubble -- the same thing.... Unless you have a niche business -- it's same ole same old. good luck cause it's hard work. I have two neighbors -- sons, family owned business for a long time (over 30 years) -- one is still trying to keep it afloat and the other, the family just called it quits at the end of the year 2011. It's not for the faint of heart, I don't give these college guys much, except be prepared to WORK -- the days of cushy are gone.
11:53 AM on 01/15/2012
True enough.

Althoug this article covers all ground, I believe it is misleading about those who actually succeed.

Most MBA's become middle corporate employees. They don't have what it takes to rise to the C office, and they don't have what it takes to go it on their own.

The difference between those who make it and those who don't comes down to differentiation, guts and relentless focus. A spouse keeping a roof over an entrepreneur's head always helps.

So tired of women entrepreneurs being held up as terrific, fantastic successful, when all along they had husbands keeping the wolves from their doors. Same would apply the other way around, but it usually applies to women.
12:51 PM on 01/14/2012
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rfstevens
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04:36 PM on 01/14/2012
Good luck to you! Sincerely.
05:39 PM on 01/14/2012
Thank you very much. Now that I have been without steady employment for 3 years and for the first time in my life a bit stressed on finances, what began as sort of a hobby idea to fulfill my prankster upbringing may actually be right in tune with the times. Thanks again for the kind words.
12:04 PM on 01/14/2012
If i even see a hint of WS on someone's resume, i won't hire them.
12:10 PM on 01/15/2012
I think it's a very good guess that you don't even have a company for which you would have occasion to hire anyone. If you had, you would not be making such a remark. If I am wrong and you do, then to discount someone with great business/finance experience because of your personal dislike of Wall Street would be extremely foolish.

Owners of successful companies (whether their companies are public or private) know all about the importance of Wall Street.

They may disagree with aspects of Wall Street, but they are keenly aware of its importance:

Banking lines of credit, commercial paper, leverage, and most particularly investment banking and venture capital.

They know that most people working on Wall Street are ordinary working people making an honest living for their families.

They know that people who have worked on Wall Street can bring invaluable experience to the success of their companies.

Every benefit we enjoy can be traced back to Wall Street and fractional reserve banking. If you don't know how that comes to be, then you don't understand Wall Street or banking.

It is neither Wall Street, nor banking that is out of kilter; it is mismanaged corporations.
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rybalaw
01:35 PM on 01/17/2012
I'd go a step further. If I saw the Ivy League on it I would not hire them.
12:00 PM on 01/14/2012
Talented people moving toward more truly productive enterprises in our economy.

This is a positive note of what happens when some transparency is achieved in an area such as Wall Street where finally wasteful practices are exposed.
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yougg
just a citizen
07:55 AM on 01/14/2012
My guess is that maybe they realize what they are doing is part of the problem. And eventually what has existed will be no more. The big banks need to be broken up. Sheila Baird the head of the FDIC and a REPUBLICAN was on a news show and advocated just that.. Glass/Stegall needs to come back also. Finance and manipulating money has become too big of a part of our economy. We need to start to make goods to sell here and abroad. There is something to be said about being your own boss. Two areas that the US should be making a greater effort on is pollution control and clean water.
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rybalaw
01:36 PM on 01/17/2012
Where is William Jennings Bryan when we need him.