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Nick Clegg: Israel Settlements Are 'Deliberate Vandalism'

Britain Criticizes Israel

By DAVID STRINGER   01/16/12 12:04 PM ET   AP

LONDON -- Britain's deputy prime minister accused Israel on Monday of carrying out "deliberate vandalism" by continuing to build settlements on land the Palestinians hope will form part of a future state.

In an escalation of Britain's previous condemnations of Israeli construction, Nick Clegg warned that continued settlement building is jeopardizing prospects for a peace deal.

"Once you've placed physical facts on the ground that makes it impossible to deliver something that everyone has for years agreed is the ultimate destination. ... It is an act of deliberate vandalism to the basic premise on which negotiations have taken place for years and years and years," Clegg said, referring to settlement construction.

Clegg was speaking alongside Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who also was holding talks in London with Prime Minister David Cameron and Foreign Secretary William Hague – both of whom have previously expressed concern about settlements.

"The continued existence of illegal settlements risks making facts on the ground such that a two-state solution becomes unviable," Clegg said.

He said that continued construction would "do nothing to safeguard the security of Israel itself, or of Israeli citizens."

"This is exactly what we wanted to hear officially from the government of the United Kingdom," Abbas told reporters, speaking through a translator.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor said Clegg's choice of language would do little to help attempts to restart peace talks. "It would be much better to contribute to peace by encouraging the fragile revival of Israeli-Palestinian talks rather than engaging in gratuitous bashing," Palmor said.

Cameron, who met later with Abbas at his official Downing Street residence, warned that time is "running out for the two-state solution unless we can push forward now."

Israeli-Palestinian peace talks stalled in 2009 over the issue of Israeli settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, areas that Israel captured from Jordan in the 1967 war. It is territory the Palestinians envision as part of their future state.

Negotiators from the two sides began meeting again in Jordan on Jan.3 in the hope of restarting substantive talks, but disagreements have already surfaced over a deadline for progress on initial discussions.

"We are optimistic about those negotiations and at the same time we hope that there will be something tangible as a result of these negotiations," Abbas said. "Of course, time is of the essence – there must be speed, we must be fast in achieving those things because the settlements and the whole thing will go on."

The Palestinians insist they won't continue talks unless Israel stops building in the West Bank and east Jerusalem. Israel has said the issue of settlements will be solved once there are agreed-upon borders.

"Settlements have to stop in order for us to be able to continue our negotiations, to come to some sort of solution, and a solution which will encompass the vision of the Palestinian state to come in the future," Abbas said.

In December, European members of the U.N. Security Council said that Israel's acceleration of construction work had sent "a devastating message" and called for an immediate halt.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office has previously insisted the country is exercising "great restraint" in construction.

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Associated Press writer Ian Deitch in Jerusalem contributed to this report

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papapj
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03:56 PM on 01/21/2012
George Galloway explaining to a Jew that they have no right in Palestine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk9C_5CICiU&feature=related
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papapj
..light as a feather..
10:12 PM on 01/20/2012
Palestine Is Still The Issue 1 - 4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRP4ooxg9aU
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
09:00 PM on 01/20/2012
Jews may not want to look at this'

ROBERT FISK
Independent, 7 April 2002

"Givat Shaul used to be called Deir Yassin. And here it was, 54 years ago, that up to 130 Palestinians were massacred by two Jewish militias, the Irgun and the Stern Gang, as the Jews of Palestine fought for the independence of a state called Israel. The slaughter so terrified tens of thousands of Palestinian Arabs that they fled their homes en masse – 750,000 in all – to create the refugee population whose tragedy lies at the heart of the Middle East conflict today.

Back in 1948, Palestinian women were torn to pieces by grenades around the old houses that still exist in Givat Shaul. Two truckloads of Arab prisoners were taken from the village and paraded through the streets of Jerusalem. Later, many of them would be executed in Deir Yassin. Their mass grave is believed to lie beneath a fuel storage depot that now stands at one end of the Jerusalem suburb."

http://www.fromoccupiedpalestine.org/node/125
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Yarden
Tel Aviv dude
10:06 PM on 01/19/2012
" While the refugees express no bitterness against the Jews ( Or for the matter against the Americans or ourselves) they speak with the utmost bitterness of the Egyptians and other Arab States. "We know who our enemies are," they will say, referring to their arab brothers who, they declare, persuaded them unnecessar­ily to leave their homes.. I even heard it said that many of the refugees would give a welcome to the Israeli's if they were to come in and take the district over."
- Sir John Troutbeck. Former Head of British Middle Eastern Office in Cairo. Visit to Gaza in 1949.”
03:02 PM on 01/21/2012
The same Sir John Troutbeck who, on 2 June 1948, wrote to the foreign secretary, Ernest Bevin, that the Americans were responsible for the creation of a gangster state headed by "an utterly unscrupulous set of leaders".
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/jan/07/gaza-israel-palestine
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Yarden
Tel Aviv dude
03:30 PM on 01/21/2012
Sir John Troutbeck was no friend to the Jews or Israel, which makes his statement much more credible.
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papapj
..light as a feather..
08:01 PM on 01/19/2012
A must see, outlining the futility of the Zionist argument;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuY5nc47cd4&feature=related
03:21 PM on 01/21/2012
"For the initial claim, often submitted by Zionist representatives, that they have a "right" to Palestine, based on an occupation of 2,000 years ago, can hardly be seriously considered....
In view of all these considerations, and with a deep sense of sympathy for the Jewish cause, the Commissioners feel bound to recommend that only a greatly reduced Zionist program be attempted by the Peace Conference, and even that, only very gradually initiated. This would have to mean that Jewish immigration should be definitely limited, and that the project for making Palestine distinctly a Jewish commonwealth should be given up."
[King-Crane Commission Report August, 1919]
02:48 AM on 01/19/2012
I love my homeland Israel, a land that is daily being attacked with mortars & rockets.
Israel shows great restraint, but sometimes Israel has to show that it will not tolorate the constant AGGRESION.
With the media coverage, well they do anything to get a story, falsifying photographs, staging false palestinian aggesion against IDF.
And those that read the news papers belive these reports
09:28 PM on 01/19/2012
So, an occupation, a blockade, expulsion, and land confiscation as well as routine military operations is not aggression?
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Yarden
Tel Aviv dude
10:08 PM on 01/19/2012
Khalil 123

Its been informed to you several times that there is no occupation, the blockade is legal to search illegal weaponry and land confiscations of illegal citizens in Israel. Only in Israel is military operations evil and apartheid lol.
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Ari B Canaan
There are muppets--and there are muppets
10:16 PM on 01/19/2012
Not during wartime.
07:43 PM on 01/20/2012
I meant Israel has not fulfilled the legal obligations it is bound to and has violated every article of the Geneva Convention on protecting civilians in time of war.
01:35 AM on 01/19/2012
Moroccan Jews have destroyed the victimhood myth that Jews were kicked out from Arab countries. To the Hasbara Brigade: You were owned royally by Bill Sampson & Tony Andrews tonight with eloquent arguments supported by proof, links, videos...etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2hXq5rW9KE
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papapj
..light as a feather..
06:56 AM on 01/19/2012
From the link:

"There's no such thing as an Israeli, the word is a lie"
11:02 AM on 01/19/2012
Check out this video!!! Again, it destroys the lies and propaganda!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkaGeVO9rRs
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
08:51 AM on 01/19/2012
"Moroccan Jews have destroyed the victimhood myth that Jews were kicked out from Arab countries. T"

Jewish Nakba denial. Hypocrisy.

""There's no such thing as an Israeli, the word is a lie" "

Israeli denial. Hypocrisy.
12:03 PM on 01/19/2012
The truth always hurt. It might not align with your preconceived racist notions but at the end of the day it is the truth. Deal with it!!!
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
08:15 PM on 01/19/2012
Are you that adverse to facts and truths? Could it be Schizophrenia?

http://www.nolanchart.com/article8172-understanding-psychological-stupidity.html
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shergenius
sheergenius
08:53 PM on 01/18/2012
Finally someone from that part of the .world that has something intelligent to say .. The problem. now is that no one will listen
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
06:04 PM on 01/18/2012
Mr. Clegg should remove all British settlements from Northern Ireland before he points any fingers.
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
06:34 PM on 01/18/2012
Try watching this video to learn some history! It might shed some light as to why your tainted version of history is totally wrong. Good luck.

http://youtu.be/n3bxj1uvDXU
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
06:50 PM on 01/18/2012
Why don't you tell us more about Jews using the "typical tactics" of usury to get their way? Any videos about that?
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papapj
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06:52 PM on 01/18/2012
Powerful.
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
08:08 PM on 01/18/2012
How about hearing it from a couple of known and respected Jewish personalities

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecGn45sKcfo

http://www.erichufschmid.net/TFC/Ben_Freedman.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqT6uKxz_eQ&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8ENawcSliA&feature=related

PS. No need to respond, we know your typical response that these people are lairs, blah blah blah.
10:13 AM on 01/19/2012
More hatred from Bill Sampson - who scours the internet looking for more fabrications about Jews.

I quote from the excellent recent HuffPo article by Douglas Anthony Cooper:

"It is a different matter when a liar knows that he is lying. Huffington Post member BILL SAMPSON, a ubiquitous "Level 2 Super User," is almost certainly less of a scholar than Norman Finkelstein -- he may not know the precise figures -- but make no mistake: He knows precisely what he is doing. Sampson is fond of spreading obscure pseudo-history -- for example, the anti-Semitic canard ..."

See http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/douglas-anthony-cooper/israel-genocide_b_1169993.html
"Part 4: Hatred Means Never Having to Say You're Sorry"
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Gracie fr
05:37 PM on 01/18/2012
Now, is the American Israeli lobby group AIPAC, “habitually” encouraging past and present American Administrations to break, also habitually, international laws? Thus costing dearly on an hourly, daily, and decade long basis the lives of countless Palestinians, encouraging also unnatural acts in Iran and deadly acts in Palestine, paid for by American Tax Dollars and lobbied for by AIPAC. If yes, then here is the opportunity for AIPAC and the Political Organizing Committees (PACs) these “detonators of democracy” (Ralph Nadar) to become “sensitized,” to obligations under public, constitutional and international norms.
Therefore, would AIPAC stand with the Rachael Corrie Foundation in calling upon the U.S. government to “enforce 22 U.S.C. 2304 (1994) protocol on Human Rights and Security Assistance, and the “Leahy Amendments” to the Foreign Operations Appropriations and Defence Appropriations Acts (e.g. P.L. 105-118 570), which prohibit the provision of security assistance to countries and military units that engage in a pattern of gross violations of human rights.”? (CRS Report for Congress Economic Sanctions to Achieve U.S. Foreign Policy Goals), If not, why not?
http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=17395
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SoquiliAsgaya
06:59 PM on 01/18/2012
This is very intelligent from an inquiring mind in search of truths.
05:13 PM on 01/18/2012
A poll conducted last month shows that nearly half of all Palestinians will never recognize Israel's right to exist as the national homeland of the Jewish people,
Conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research,
"There is a proposal that after the establishment of an independent Palestinian state and the settlement of all issues in dispute, including the refugees and Jerusalem issues, there will be a mutual recognition of Israel as the state of the Jewish people and Palestine as the state of the Palestinians people. Just over 50 percent said they would agree to such an outcome, 46.8 percent said they will never recognize Israel under those terms.

The results of the poll demonstrate the effects of over a decade of Palestinian Authority school education and media propaganda that has portrayed Israel as an usurper and the Jews as foreign invaders. It is only natural that those most fully indoctrinated by this education and media propaganda would never be able to view Israel as anything but an enemy, even with a full peace treaty.

That is precisely the reason that the original "Oslo Accords" stipulated that both sides must educate their people for peace and coexistence. The Palestinian Authority has instead used millions of dollars in foreign aid to do the opposite, as revealed time and again by organizations like Palestinian Media Watch.

A large 41.1 percent minority said they support a full return to armed violence against Israeli Jews. In other words, terrorism
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papapj
..light as a feather..
06:02 PM on 01/18/2012
Link?
08:43 PM on 01/18/2012
Following decades of Israeli suppression, what might you expect in such a poll? Applause for Israel?

Do you not consider it remarkable that, despite all those years of oppression, over half of the sample are in favour of Israel's existence as "the national homeland of the Jewish people"?
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
08:18 AM on 01/19/2012
"Following decades of Israeli suppressio­n, what might you expect in such a poll?"

Palestinians didn't accept Israel's right to exist in 1947! 60 years later, nothing has changed.
02:03 PM on 01/18/2012
Nick Clegg could not even bring himself to condemn or discipline Jenny Tonge MP for making outrageous pro-terrorist and appalling anti-Jewish comments. See:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/douglasmurray/100035586/nick-clegg-does-not-offer-new-politics-i-saw-his-true-colours-when-i-asked-him-about-jenny-tonge April 2010

Worth reading as an insight into Clegg's mindset on matters Jewish and Israel.

Clegg refused to explain why he declined to discipline Tonge. Nearly 2 years later, Clegg is still the leader of the Liberal Democrats, and Jenny Tonge still represents his party in parliament.

I can't find any instance of Clegg getting remotely emotive about any single terrorist attack against Israel. Not once, after all these years.
02:52 PM on 01/18/2012
What did you say about this British Jewish Zionist MP?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEYz00MqCx0
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
03:58 PM on 01/18/2012
He must be Clegg's best friend.
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
04:45 PM on 01/18/2012
Thank you for the link. This is a very telling video and should be enough to expose all the lies being peddled on this forum. It will be very interesting to see how some posters will hail personal attacks on this honest and honorable British Jewish Zionist MP.

Favored as usual!
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
12:35 PM on 01/18/2012
I rented an apartment in Rome for a summer vacation 30 years ago. I always loved that apartment and always considered it to be part of my pleasant youth memories. I still feel deep emotional connection to it and till this day I sill talk about it.

Can my adopted grand kids from my adopted kids use my connection to this apartment as justification for murdering the owners of this apartment and claiming it as their own when we go visit Italy this summer?

This is the same logic that the supporters of Israel are using to justify their theft of Palestine and their continual brutal treatment of its indigenous inhabitants! Unbelievable!
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
12:43 PM on 01/18/2012
Wow, that is the worst, most tortured analogy I have ever heard.

Here's a marginally better one. You buy an apartment in Rome. A bunch of Italians get together and decide they want to keep Rome "Bill Sampson free" and buying that apartment means you "stole Italian land". They attack you and you defend yourself. As a reward, you take some of their cash.

THAT is what supporters of Israel use to justify the settlements in the West Bank. A reward for decades of Palestinian murder and terrorism.
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
01:27 PM on 01/18/2012
Not even close lad, unless you define "buy" as massacring the canaanites that inhabited Palestine, when the Isralites invaded. The Canaanits that built all of the Cities in Palestine including Jerusalem. Define Italians as Romans, and define "Bill Sampson free" as the Isralites leaving after they extended their welcome, then maybe.

However, after 2500 years none of that matters. You, a Khazari/Ashkanazi, cannot justify killing the decedents of Canaanites, or Palestinians, or the true indigenous inhabitants of this land because you have no claim to it, and if you insist that a fraction of you DNA is from that area, you cannot lay claim after thousands of years of absence.
03:11 PM on 01/18/2012
He's lost the plot - very sad.
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meb1357
Remember Kafr Qasim
10:46 AM on 01/18/2012
I entered a post that stated that the basic problem is that Zionists came to Palestine with the aim of taking it away from the local, Palestinian population. This post was well received, with lots of comments generated. The next day I found the post removed for "violating the guidelines".
I find it extremely problematic and unfair, that when an argument that is the center of the problem with Israel, it is rejected as somehow violating guidelines.
It is a very legitimate argument; and if it censored, there is little reason to engage in discussions here.
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Bill Sampson
Truth is the most valuable thing we have!
12:26 PM on 01/18/2012
This is the biggest problem with discussing this issue. Many of the post exposing the facts of this conflict are not allowed. The propaganda used to deceive us and the world into supporting the establishment of an illegal and criminal colonial foreign entity in Palestine is to be protected at any price.
Rosin the Bow
Palestine doesn't want peace. Meshaal said so
01:04 PM on 01/18/2012
"supporting the establishm­ent of an illegal and criminal colonial foreign entity in Palestine "

So much for the lie that Palestinian supporters just want peace between the Palestinians and Israel.
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Yarden
Tel Aviv dude
04:49 PM on 01/18/2012
Bill Sampson,

Why did a Palestinian state no champion during the illegal occupation of Gaza and West Bank by Jordan and Egypt between 1949-1967? Or is this "propaganda"?

Why did the original PLO charter of 1964 Article 24 state:

Article 24. This Organization does not exercise any regional sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, on the Gaza Strip or the Himmah Area. Its activities will be on the national popular level in the liberational, organizational, political and financial fields.

- Or is this "propaganda"?
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Ferdinand Berkhof
ratio & respect
08:42 AM on 01/18/2012
Clegg is obviously right on this one. Too bad we'll never hear anything close to this from any US administration.