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South Carolina GOP Debate Fact Check: Fiction Versus Reality

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First Posted: 01/17/12 12:31 AM ET Updated: 01/17/12 10:45 PM ET

By CALVIN WOODWARD, The Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Newt Gingrich said Mitt Romney raised taxes as Massachusetts governor. Romney countered he cut taxes 19 times. Both were basically right, but decidedly one-sided, in the Republican presidential debate Monday night.

A look at some of the claims in the debate and how they compare with the facts:

GINGRICH: Romney "raised taxes."

ROMNEY: "We reduced taxes 19 times."

THE FACTS: Romney largely held the line on tax increases but there were notable exceptions. The state raised business taxes by $140 million in one year with measures mostly recommended by Romney. As well, the Republican governor and Democratic lawmakers raised hundreds of millions of dollars from higher fees and fines - taxation by another name. Romney himself proposed raising nearly $60 million by creating 33 new fees and increasing 57 others. Romney won praise from anti-tax advocates by firmly backing income tax cuts - and criticism over the business taxes and fees.

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ROMNEY: "Three years into office, he doesn't have a jobs plan."

FACT CHECK: Like them or not, President Barack Obama actually has proposed several plans intended to spur the economy and create jobs. The most well-known was his stimulus plan, introduced in February 2009, which included about $800 billion in tax cuts and spending.

At the end of 2010, Obama struck a deal with GOP congressional leaders on a package intended to stimulate hiring and growth. The deal cut the Social Security payroll tax, which provided about an extra $1,000 a year to an average family. It also extended an unemployment benefits program that provided up to 99 weeks of aid.

And in September, Obama introduced his most recent jobs plan, rolling it out in a speech to the full Congress in which he urged Congress to "pass it right away." It included $450 billion in tax cuts and new spending, including greater cuts to payroll taxes and tax breaks for companies that hire those who've been out of work for six months or more. The proposal also would have spent $50 billion to upgrade schools and included other infrastructure spending. Almost none of it has been passed into law.

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ROMNEY: "We invested in well over 100 different businesses. And the people have looked at the places that have added jobs and lost jobs and that record is pretty much available for people to take a close look at."

THE FACTS: Romney's record as a venture capitalist at Bain Capital has been presented by his campaign highly selectively; namely, by detailing several big success stories and ignoring the job losses that resulted from Bain-owned plants and companies that closed or shrank their workforce. His overall record is not even close to being known, because it is so complex. Many of the companies are private, without the public disclosure requirements that big corporations have, and his campaign has not released details.

Under scrutiny, Romney has stepped back from claiming that he created more than 100,000 jobs overall with his Bain investments. That claim was never substantiated. In the debate, he named four successful investments in companies that now - a decade after he left Bain - employ about 120,000 people, a more measured and accurate statement, but one that still does not account for losses elsewhere.

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RICK SANTORUM: "My ads have been positive. The only ad that I've ever put up has contrasted myself with the other candidates, and does so in a way talking about issues."

THE FACTS: Santorum is coming out with an ad this week accusing Romney of being "just like Obama" and saying Romney "once bragged he's even more liberal than Ted Kennedy on social issues," two negative assertions that go beyond a mere look at issues. As a Massachusetts senate candidate in 1994, Romney wrote to a group of gay Republicans that outlined a plan to do better than Kennedy to make "equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern." But that's not bragging about liberalism, and Romney is hardly more liberal than the late senator - or Obama - on social issues. Romney, for example, supports a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

Santorum has, in fact, stayed positive in the campaign but the new ad veers from that path.

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ROMNEY: "This president has opened up no new markets for American goods around the world in his three years, even as European nations and China have opened up 44."

THE FACTS: Actually, Obama revived Bush-administration-era free-trade pacts with South Korea, Panama and Colombia, all passed by Congress in October, in the most significant expansion of trade relations in nearly two decades. In particular, the agreement with South Korea is designed to break down barriers between the United States and the world's 15th-largest economy. The South Korea deal has the potential to create as many as 280,000 American jobs, according to a recent assessment by the staff of the U.S. International Trade Commission, and to boost exports by more than $12 billion. Obama also, on a recent trip to Asia, endorsed an Asia-Pacific free-trade pact that would also boost U.S. exports to Asia.

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Associated Press writers Christopher S. Rugaber, Tom Raum and Steve Peoples contributed to this report.

Where the GOP presidential candidates come down on the issues:
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Gingrich: Platform calls for conservative judges and no subsidies for abortion but not a constitutional abortion ban.

Paul: Says federal government should have no authority either to legalize or ban abortion.

Perry: Now supports constitutional abortion ban after saying states should decide their own laws on such issues.

Romney: Says Roe v. Wade should be reversed by a future Supreme Court and states should decide their own abortion laws.

Santorum: Favors constitutional abortion ban and opposes abortion even in cases of rape.
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By CALVIN WOODWARD, The Associated Press WASHINGTON (AP) -- Newt Gingrich said Mitt Romney raised taxes as Massachusetts governor. Romney countered he cut taxes 19 times. Both were basically right,...
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WorkinClassDog
Are you going to investigate? or just take the gui
02:03 PM on 01/18/2012
Maybe we should just refer to all of these sad sacks of s*** as the alleged candidates and the eventual nominee as the representative the fictious party.
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RepublicanDepression
Of the1% by the1% for the Gerrymandering One% =GOP
11:04 AM on 01/18/2012
GOP Debate Fiction vs Reality:

Reality: the Republican candidates said hello.

Fiction: the rest.
10:23 AM on 01/18/2012
GulfSierra,
Your vote for Obama WILL seal your future to unbelievable taxes, debt that will bankrupt us, and a military that will no longer be able to protect you! If you choose government housing, food lines,
higher unemployment, and nothing left in life to dream for........go ahead vote for B. O. You can't be that uneducated!!! This IS fact!
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John Bays
ASSERTIONS ARE NOT FACTS
08:22 PM on 01/19/2012
Fact? Don't you mean your personal opinion? Educated people can support what they say - your support for your "Opinion" is?
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fgrammit
08:47 AM on 01/18/2012
do you see the signs for anti abortion to you see who is leading this fight against the civil liberties of women? THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. GET OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT. PREACH WHAT EVER DOCTRINE YOU CHOSE BUT STAY OUT OF OUR LEGISLATIVE PROCESSES. . it IS AGAINST OUR CONSTITUTION.
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captainindustry
then that will be my story.
08:06 AM on 01/18/2012
I wish they would have pressed Ron Paul on his $0 income tax. I am a huge Ron Paul fan, (I love Galveston), but I am curious about what he would have said.
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yelnatsfavorite
07:40 AM on 01/18/2012
Thank you so much for listing all their views on the issues...I'll be voting for Barack Obama.
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07:07 AM on 01/18/2012
Why do Republican politicians and pundits verbalize opinions in a matter-of-fact way and assume that everyone still automatically believes it? They are obliterating their own credibility time and again.
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janmB
loves life
06:35 AM on 01/18/2012
Just like FOX news...the republican candidates exaggerate, distort information by leaving half of it out. They are all serial liars.
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EA Poe
01:10 AM on 01/18/2012
Before every debate each candidate should have to drink a "Pinocchio concoction" made of sodium pentothol and Viagra with an enzyme that would trigger an erection when they failed to tell the truth. It wouldn't take long before we knew the long and the short of things.
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captainindustry
then that will be my story.
08:03 AM on 01/18/2012
How 'bout they debate in a pit. With a pendulum.

f and f
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stormkrow
American Insurgent
09:29 AM on 01/18/2012
Electrical shocks hooked up to a group of independent fact checkers. I know that might kill several of them and I'm okay with that.
01:05 AM on 01/18/2012
Huff Puff's right to do fact checking went out the window with their first news article (and every other one since). Blatant liberal editorials that pander to liberal elites while keeping entitlement classes on the dole per the Dem party line.
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tifosies
05:54 AM on 01/18/2012
One thing you have to hand Huffpo, they have smart readers who choose fans and faves wisely. Have a good day.
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07:10 AM on 01/18/2012
Statements like this conspicuously come from new user accounts, more often than not. I don't think others have noticed.....psych.
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JoePenn
Shuhada?
08:21 AM on 01/18/2012
It's been pretty obvious - surrounding the GOP race especially.
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Stan DaMann
Is your money safe in the Caymans?
11:07 PM on 01/17/2012
There were many more big lies at that debate. What was especially revealing is that some of them were repeated lies that have been debunked and disproven, but the Fox News reporters (and the other candidates) did not call out those who told the lies.

For example, Newt repeated his often told lie about the allegedly overpaid "janitors" in New York city. Politifact pointed out that this was false weeks ago when Newt first said it in a debate.

However, Newt was accurate when he said he was the candidate most like Reagan. His veiled references to racism throughout the debate were just the way Reagan used to do it.
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Joe Goforth
contempt for the status quo
01:11 AM on 01/18/2012
And so what if New York janitors make money. Mitt does.
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jobie2
10:13 AM on 01/18/2012
I would ask the people who think this is a good idea,How would you feel if YOUR child was forced to clean toilets and mop floors for a pittannance while the other children laughed at them and mocked them ,which they surely would. Poor children are entitled to the same opportunities in education as wealthier ones without having to work for it. Newt Gingrich is using this as a dog whistle to the bigots in his base. They all invision poor Black children cleaning up the excrement of their wealthier White schoolmates while they are mocked mercilessly. All of these Republican candidates are unqualified to be President and not fit to stand on a stage with President Obama. If Americans elect one of these clowns they will have the same buyers remorse as the people in Wisconsin,Ohio,Michigan,Florida and I'll through in N.J. These Governors campaigned on creating jobs and have done everything else,to the dismay of the people in their states. They have spent their time enacting radical right wing agendas. People in their states can hardly wait to get rid of them.
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JoePenn
Shuhada?
08:25 AM on 01/18/2012
It's like a cage fight for 'the media.' They stand by, watch - never investigate - watch a 'blow' being thrown - watch and wait for the opponents jab response - it's like watching a play and any lies, distortions, and complete b.s. are Ok, so long as those on the stage don't correct the guy, after he's told the same lie for the umpteenth time. An endurance (who can put up with and spew the most bull$hit to an endearing audience (the media).
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RepublicanDepression
Of the1% by the1% for the Gerrymandering One% =GOP
11:03 PM on 01/17/2012
Fact: the Republican candidates said hello.

Fiction: the rest.
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john rajah
'Why do u call me Lord and dont do what I say?'
10:19 PM on 01/17/2012
Are we really like the audiences in this and previous Republican debates?

God protect us from ourselves
12:35 AM on 01/18/2012
Say it again.
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RepublicanDepression
Of the1% by the1% for the Gerrymandering One% =GOP
11:03 AM on 01/18/2012
Fortunately, only the supporters of the GOP (Greedy One Percent) are like these audiences.

God protect us, indeed!
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KayJay90
What in the world...?
09:58 PM on 01/17/2012
Did you all notice the SC Republican "base" audience last night applauded the most outrageous lies, and booed any attempts by either moderators or the candidates to inject a little reality and dignity into the proceedings?

God, I sure hope the majority of voters of EITHER party are more intelligent than that crowd.
12:41 AM on 01/18/2012
Remember South Carolina took the lead attempting to destroy the Union, the United States as rebels once already. Lincoln would have come to the end of his term with half the states (at best) that he started with if left to the devices of the confederacy. The South rises again about this time in election primaries.
02:35 AM on 01/18/2012
KayJay; I hate to be nasty, but nasty seems to be all I read in these liberal comments. I don't think you would know reality if it slapped you in the face. It would be a pleasure to see somebody attach some facts to their little nasties. If I would have to guess, most of you people on Huff & Puff have no idea what you listened to last night. I believe the words entered the auditory canals in fine shape, but when they arrived inside the cranium, they became like scrambled eggs. Did you happen to watch any of the DemocRAT debates in 2007? Now that lacked dignity. I will hand it to Clinton & Obama when it came down to just them; I guess you could call it dignified, professional, or..... It would be nothing less if Newt & Obama got together. Of course Newt would toke & smoke the Muslim, so I suppose you would call it a lack of dignity because your candidate lost. I would bet that 95%+ of that crowd would present themselves more intelligently than your comment, and yours is far more intelligent than most.
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fgrammit
08:41 AM on 01/18/2012
no amount of bad eggs will make a good omlet. and your brain is so scrambled by their lies which you CHOOSE to believe that i can only suggest you remove your self from this site where facts and truth are some thing to be reconed with. have a good usless life with all your socipathic suedo Christian confederates... That war was faught and
won once and yet you continue to live it over and over.
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fgrammit
08:49 AM on 01/18/2012
bs you love beeing "nasty" it is what you right wing conservative phoney Christians do best.
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dws51564
History doesn't repeat itself ignorance does
08:56 PM on 01/17/2012
So basically they lie, big surprise.
02:44 AM on 01/18/2012
dws51564; So tell us some of the lies that were stated. You are allowed 250 words, so you should be able to fit a couple in. Who are you anyway that I should believe you simply because you say it is so? I will be waiting for your reply. I like your little philosophy at the top. It's wrong, but so what. Try not to become a part of it in your follow-up comment.
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dws51564
History doesn't repeat itself ignorance does
08:06 AM on 01/18/2012
Read the article yourself, it's not my problem you have a reading comprehension issue. If my philosophy is wrong, prove it wrong.
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fgrammit
08:44 AM on 01/18/2012
failed again go home to fox not news and spew your bs there where it will be hurrahed and greeeted with joy. We here prefer sensable truths and facts