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Foreclosure Settlement's Value Hinges on California's Participation

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First Posted: 01/18/2012 9:44 pm Updated: 01/19/2012 8:28 am

As the national settlement talks to resolve mortgage companies' wrongful foreclosures inch towards a conclusion, the size of the deal hinges on California.

Starting Wednesday and continuing throughout the remainder of the week, negotiators representing 50 states attorneys generals and the Obama administration are distributing to all parties documents outlining two possible deals: one based on California's participation and a second, smaller one, based on California's absence, said sources familiar with the discussions. The documents provide a hard number for each state's share of the settlement and also an estimate of the potential benefits to homeowners under both scenarios. California, which has the nation's highest foreclosure rate, is one of a handful of states that have threatened to leave the deal over concerns that the settlement is too soft on banks.

That California's participation could sweeten the terms of the deal reflects the important role that this state plays in any settlement. As part of the settlement, participating states will agree not to pursue various claims against the lenders in the future. California, which is not only a large state but has been ground zero for many of the wrongful foreclosures, represents significant future liability for banks. Thus, the lenders are more inclined to offer a greater sum to ensure that California will not pursue claims against them down the road.

"The negotiating team is in the process of sending documents to fellow attorneys general," said Geoff Greenwood, spokesman for the Iowa attorney general, Tom Miller, one of the lead negotiators.

The Obama administration, along with a coalition of state law enforcement officials, is pursuing a settlement with big banks over their role in the practice of "robo-signing" and other alleged forms of mistreatment of struggling homeowners, including the fraudulent notarization and forging of mortgage documents and other wrongful foreclosure practices.

The documents are being distributed in advance of a meeting on Monday in Chicago where Miller, U.S. Housing and Urban Development Secretary Shaun Donovan, and Tom Perrelli, U.S. associate attorney general, will brief Democratic state attorneys general on the potential settlement. A similar meeting will take place on Monday, via a phone conference, for Republican state attorneys general. Greenwood confirmed both meetings in a phone call with The Huffington Post.

On Wednesday, Donovan declared that the negotiators were "very close" to reaching an agreement, though sources familiar with the talks said that nothing will be announced prior to President Barack Obama's State of the Union address next week. "States need time to review the documents, weigh the pros and cons of the deal, consider the alternatives and decide if it is something they want to join," said a source familiar with the discussions.

After wrongful foreclosure practices came to light in October 2010, attorneys general from all 50 states banded together with the federal government to punish five large financial institutions -- Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo and Ally Financial -- for mortgage-related misconduct, including robo-signing and failing to provide mortgage modifications to eligible homeowners. As it currently stands, that punishment would take the form of a civil settlement worth as much as $25 billion. The deal would reform the mortgage servicing industry and require banks to offer relief to homeowners in the form of modifications, principal write-downs and refinancing, among other options.

The negotiations hit a snag this summer when several attorneys general -- most notably Eric Schneiderman of New York and Kamala Harris of California -- objected that the deal was too narrowly focused on robo-signing and mortgage servicing and that it would release banks from liability for too much potential wrongdoing. Schneiderman and Biden called for a more thorough investigation of how home loans had been originated and sold to investors.

In October 2011, Delaware Attorney General Beau Biden filed suit against Mortgage Electronic Registration System, claiming the company intentionally makes it harder for borrowers to stop a foreclosure. In December, Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley filed a lawsuit against five of the largest U.S. banks, accusing them of deceptive foreclosure practices. Also in December, Nevada Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto filed suit against Lender Processing Services for deceiving Nevada homeowners.


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As the national settlement talks to resolve mortgage companies' wrongful foreclosures inch towards a conclusion, the size of the deal hinges on California. Starting Wednesday and continuing through...
As the national settlement talks to resolve mortgage companies' wrongful foreclosures inch towards a conclusion, the size of the deal hinges on California. Starting Wednesday and continuing through...
 
 
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02:00 AM on 01/21/2012
Professor Wheaton of MIT has been saying for a long time that nearly half of all foreclosures are in California, Arizona, Nevada and Florida. So it only stands to reason that participation by California is imperative as stated in this article. http://multifamilyinsight.net
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05:53 PM on 01/19/2012
Barry Fagan v Wells Fargo Re Two Expert Opinion Declarations Concerning Wells Fargo Document Fraud & Robosigning of Rhonda Bernard Thomas Signatures

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77146474/Barry-Fagan-v-Wells-Fargo-Re-Two-Expert-Opinion-Declarations-Concerning-Wells-Fargo-Document-Fraud-Robosigning-of-Rhonda-Bernard-Thomas-Signatures

Barry Fagan v Ebert Appraisal Service Inc Re Request for Judicial Notice of the November 29, 2011 Orea Letter and Separate Statement With Exhibits A, B & C for RPD 2

http://www.scribd.com/doc/77562690/Barry-Fagan-v-Ebert-Appraisal-Service-Inc-Re-Request-for-Judicial-Notice-of-the-November-29-2011-Orea-Letter-and-Separate-Statement-With-Exhibits-A

Barry Fagan v Wells Fargo Re: Motion to Compel with an Expert Opinion Declaration Concerning the Robosigning Signature of Rhonda Bernard Thomas

http://www.scribd.com/doc/76979445/Barry-Fagan-v-Wells-Fargo-Re-Motion-to-Compel-with-an-Expert-Opinion-Declaration-Concerning-the-Robosigning-Signature-of-Rhonda-Bernard-Thomas
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05:28 PM on 01/19/2012
Barry Fagan v Wells Fargo Re Two Expert Opinion Declaratio­ns Concerning Wells Fargo Document Fraud & Robosignin­g of Rhonda Bernard Thomas Signatures

http://www­.scribd.co­m/doc/7714­6474/Barry­-Fagan-v-W­ells-Fargo­-Re-Two-Ex­pert-Opini­on-Declara­tions-Conc­erning-Wel­ls-Fargo-D­ocument-Fr­aud-Robosi­gning-of-R­honda-Bern­ard-Thomas­-Signature­s

Barry Fagan v Wells Fargo Re: Motion to Compel with an Expert Opinion Declaratio­n Concerning the Robosignin­g Signature of Rhonda Bernard Thomas

http://www­.scribd.co­m/doc/7697­9445/Barry­-Fagan-v-W­ells-Fargo­-Re-Motion­-to-Compel­-with-an-E­xpert-Opin­ion-Declar­ation-Conc­erning-the­-Robosigni­ng-Signatu­re-of-Rhon­da-Bernard­-Thomas
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04:47 PM on 01/19/2012
Wells Fargo is still denying loan modifications. Why would the President settle with banks that are still breaking the rules? They want their borrowers to go into default, they will not tell you who owns your loan, who your greedy investors are that will not qualify you for any program. I put over $400,000 down, I have never missed a payment and I was denied for all Federal Programs even though I had not filled out any paperwork! I was discriminated against because I'm unemployed, (there are programs for unemployed) I did not qualify because of their investors guidelines.I never filled out any paperwork, just what guideline did I not pass? Actually Wells Fargo did offer some relief, three months of reduce payments, but the back payments would be due plus interest at the end of the three months. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. This is how banks get a hold of your homes.
These banks need to be monitored, fined heavily and taught that they need to play by the rules. I did not cause the housing bubble & I personally do not want to have to pay for it. If the housing market does not stabilize our country is not going to get back on track and unemployment is not going to get better. The President needs to wake up; thank goodness for the AG that have banded together to go after these sleezeball banks and the bankers and investors who are behind them.
05:27 PM on 01/19/2012
Why modify a grossly inflated mortgage?

Stick it to the banks and WALK AWAY from that grossly inflated mortgage. WALK AWAY!
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lagunasuz
06:48 PM on 01/19/2012
This is my home and it is in an area where homes are very expensive. I will never be able to afford a home again. Walking away from my home is exactly what the banks would like, the rents are extremely high in my area, they would make out like a bandit, again.
07:28 PM on 01/19/2012
WALK AWAY from that grossly inflated mortgage. You can buy it back later for half.
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anonymous67
04:41 PM on 01/19/2012
America, can there be any doubt that your government is rotten to the core? Three years after the largest financial crimes in human history and there still has not been criminal investigations, no FBI inquiries, no Grand Jury subpoenas, and apparently no review of independent investigations. Instead we have this -- a deal granting banks amnesty for their wonton, rampant and systematic criminality. The corruption of government is inescapable and undeniable.

It boggles the mind $150 billion can be vaporized… and yet there aren't any arrests, any indictments, nor any convictions at any major bank or any of the government-owned financial institutions Fannie, Freddie and AIG.

Meanwhile pervasive fraud has been documented by the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission, Senators Levin and Coburn, ProPublica, and every other independent investigation that has looked. And the evidence of pervasive and systemic perjury can be found in spades in county courthouses across the country. A single county register investigated and found 26,000 -- twenty-six thousand!!! --- perjured foreclosure document in just one county of the US.

These were NOT accidents -- banks systematically and knowingly set up organizations and business processes to break our laws. These were NOT victimless crimes -- millions lost jobs, homes, retirements and savings. And this country was brought to its knees.

Bankers are NOT above the law. America DEMANDS its laws be enforced. We DEMAND the criminals behind the widespread financial crimes go to PRISON. And we DEMAND an investigation into government corruption and obstruction of justice.

America WILL
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alan2a
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12:13 PM on 01/19/2012
This points to the utter corruption of the Obama Administration and its DOJ. That the supposed deal is designed to release the banks and mortgage companies from future liability for criminal acts is in and of itself a criminal act!! That a supposed Democratic Administration should be intent across the board with not pursuing criminal actions against criminal wrongdoers when they represent large powerful rich corporate entities proves the ultimate corruption of our present system and frankly both bought and paid for political parties. That the Republican Party is repulsive in no way makes what the Obama Administration represents acceptable.
09:08 PM on 01/19/2012
Where are you getting your information? No one has mentioned a criminal release and continuing to harp about such a release is irresponsible and ignorant. The attorneys general cannot and will not grant releases to the five servicers for past or future criminal conduct. If you do not understand the authorities of your regulators, perhaps you should take a refresher civics course. At the very least you could actually READ your state constitution and statutes. And stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions over issues you know nothing about.
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11:32 AM on 01/20/2012
Wrong, wrong, wrong!!!!!!
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07:14 PM on 01/23/2012
CoopersTown ... I'm relatively up on this whole fiasco, but I've been "off the radar" due to serious illness the past few weeks. From what I've read, it appears the deal being negotiated by Obama and the attorneys general would, indeed, release the banks, MERS, et al, for all criminal liability. Can you explain a bit more about why/how the deal doesn't let these guys off the hook? If a state accepts the deal, can residents of that state still bring civil/criminal actions against banks that forged/falsified documents, separated notes and mortgages in securitizing, didn't file title transfers with County Clerks, etc.?

I would LOVE to believe you're right and the deal simply means our federal government is only corrupt enough to wash its limp-wristed hands of the whole mess, but not prevent individual homeowners (whether foreclosed upon, behind in payments or whatever their situation) from bringing actions against the banks.

Thanks much. Appreciate your input.
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10:20 PM on 01/25/2012
Bush and Obama - no difference.
11:43 AM on 01/19/2012
$25 billion seems to be awfully small considering the magnitude of the problem. I would think the minimum settlement should be at least $50 billion, with a clause that prevents banks from adding or increasing fees for a 2 year time period ( dont' want them to just up ATM fees to raise the $25bn.) The funds should come from cutting bonuses and salaries for executives that lead the nation into this mess.
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10:56 AM on 01/19/2012
A civil settlement of 25 billion divided by 50 state general funds. Let's see that works out for the victims to be - zero.
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11:59 AM on 01/19/2012
you are right. no settlement so far has helped homeowners - all it does is put money into the state funds. think in 2008 the "countrywide "settlement was to help homeonwers from the fraud countrywide committed but niehter bank of ameria or countrywide kept to the terms of the settlement and the attorney generals did nothing. now some of these same attorney genrals are in meetings for more settlements with the promise not to sue the banks?
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12:15 PM on 01/19/2012
Not too mention this is a page right from the tobacco industry settlement. Whether it's right or wrong the money extracted from the banks will be written off as the cost of doing business and we'll see even less lending and more increased bank fees. The AGs claims to be working in the best interest of the consumer (and they often do) but if you ask me they're acting no differently than mafia bosses. In the end it's always the consumer that gets screwed.
10:38 AM on 01/19/2012
Throw the banksters in jail and WALK AWAY from that grossly inflated mortgage payment!

STICK IT TO THE BANKS!
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10:35 AM on 01/19/2012
"Deals?"

"Settlement?"

Repeat after me: F-E-L-O-N-Y.

And while we're at it, let's acknowledge the root cause and call it by name:

B-R-I-B-E-R-Y.

I don't know about you, but I want effin' LAW ENFORCEMENT, and I demand to have it now.

Why? Because right now we do not have: real banking, real finance, real insurance, or real law enforcement. Instead we have a bunch of cronies who are hurling themselves off of a very tall cliff and waving their arms in our direction and saying, "Jump! You have to!!"

No.

We Don't.

And ...

We Won't.

There are less than 1,000 of "you," and more than 312 million of "us." Guess who wins?
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10:07 AM on 01/19/2012
Money, as Jesse Unruh observed, is the mother's milk of politics and the banks control vast oceans of it. I have no faith that our current political system can obtain any sort of just relief for victims of the banksters.
09:51 AM on 01/19/2012
How do you "resolve wrongful foreclosures"? Simple:

ENFORCE THE DAMNED LAW!

Submitting a false affidavit to a court is a crime tantamount to perjury.

False notarization a legal document is supposed to be signed in the presence of a Notaty Public. Not doing so is a separate crime

These sorts of crimes are FELONIES is many jurisdictions.

*Those "wrongfully foreclosed on" also have civil recourse.

A few dozen bankers in handcuffs and orange jumpsuits would solve the "wrongful foreclosure" problem in a hurry.

Why the hell do banks get to "negotiate" some sort of blanket settlement for pervasive lawbreaking? They should be arresting these people. The feds could probably pursue charges under RICO statutes as well because this behavior is clearly indicative of organized corruption.

What would happen to one of us little people if we committed forgery or submitted a false affidavit? Do we get to "negotiate a settlement" or do we get slapped with a felony charge?

Rather than be angry about "wealth inequality", people should be angry about "justice inequality".
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10:43 AM on 01/19/2012
Oh, I don't think that anyone outside of media believes for one split-second that any of this has anything to do with "income inequality." It does have everything to do with Law Enforcement.

I seriously believe that we are at the point in this dime-store detective novel where the bad guys have dropped all pretense of being good guys, and the damsel in distress is strapped to the railroad track and the bad guys are saying, "bwa-ha-ha-HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!" ... confident that they are that every one of their stratagems is about to come true. That their twisted version of "reality" (not to mention, "inevitability") is about to be proved. That they really are the brightest little crayons in the box, the smartest kids in school.

This point in any yarn comes about ten pages before the end of the book, and it is marked by dust clouds on the horizon, made by the approaching white horses.

Crime, most especially HIGH Crime, always comes to its own self-destructive ends. These banks that call themselves "too big to fail" are quite doomed to fail, because their business model cannot succeed. They have the money (simply because they say they do ...) with which to buy(!) any sort of lawmaking that they want, but even that power is running out very fast.

There are, literally, hundreds of millions of Plaintiffs here. You. Me. All of us. And we know it.
12:42 PM on 01/19/2012
I was simply pointing out that there seems to be this general outrage about "wealth inequality" in our society, hence the OWS protests, etc. My opinion is that focusing on wealth inequality is misguided. The grassroots movement should be focused on "equality" in terms of the rule of law. THAT is something that "The 99%" really can agree on. What is more fundamental to our system of government and general "faith" in society than the principle of "Nobody is above the law."?

I hope you're right in thinking that these criminals and plunderers will eventually get what's coming to them. I think it's just as likely that they will use government and the Federal Reserve to loot the poor and middle class for every last penny, then fly off to Europe, Israel or South America and leave behind a 3rd world country in a hyper-inflationary depression.
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12:02 PM on 01/19/2012
this is what i do not understand. the banks and their lawyers have commited feloies by submitting these papers to the courts yet the attorny generals meet for over a year to figure out a "settlement" that will also include the states will not press charges against the banks?and you are right could you see a small bisness owner filing false documents with the court ?
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09:40 AM on 01/19/2012
Banks are sometimes willing to take a hit on the principle amount.....by selling via a "short sale" to a new buyer or an investor. but....
* They will NOT take a hit on the principal for the current homeowner.
* They will NOT allow a short sale if the new buyer is a family member or friend of the current homeowner....who may be trying to help the current homeowner remain in their home. They consider this as FRAUD.

Non-Arm’s Length Short Sale Characteristics
A fictitious purchase offer is made by the homeowner’s accomplice (straw buyer) in an attempt to allow the borrower to remain in their home.

Purchaser has previous or current ownership of the subject property

Purchaser address matches the borrower’s address

Purchaser’s name is similar to the borrower’s

Purchaser employment address matches the borrower’s employment address

WHY DO THEY CARE IF SOMEONE IS WILLING AND HAS THE MEANS TO HELP SOMEONE REMAIN IN THEIR HOME? WHY IS THIS A CRIME THAT CAN RESULT IN PRISON TIME?
10:30 AM on 01/19/2012
How about you corrupt realtors return the commission­s on these inflated prices you suckered people into paying?
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IndyFem
10:45 AM on 01/19/2012
Does your suggestion apply to my own purchase in 2007 (appraised at $535,000) and is now worth $320,000...and the home I sold to my son in 2007 (appraised at $740,000) that is now worth $425,000?
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10:48 AM on 01/19/2012
All of this notwithstanding: "the value of an asset is what a willing buyer would pay a willing seller TODAY." If your declared value of that asset, which you are employing specifically as a tangible security-interest for that loan, is not demonstrably supported by market conditions, then YOU, THE LENDER, =ARE= EXPOSED.

You cannot legally make the statement that this loan is "collectible," nor that it is "secured," and you therefore cannot truthfully re-sell any "derivative" security that is based upon this premise. If you do so, you are knowingly committing Securities Fraud.

This is the stuff that you learn about, if not in your first Freshman year law-class, then certainly in your second.

None of which stopped these banks, who arrogantly call themselves "too big to fail," from doing precisely this, and more(!).

Yes, they did more. They formed themselves into "big" companies that deal in securities, banking, and insurance .. three axiomatically opposing businesses, yet all under one roof. They formed what Glass-Steagall forbade, and they got rid of that law to enable them to do it. The securities were fraudulent, the banking is bankrupt, and the insurance is worthless.

Felony 101.
09:35 AM on 01/19/2012
“As house prices fall, more borrowers walk away"

WALK AWAY from that inflated mortgage payment!

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Save yourself and the financial future of your children and WALK away from the inflated mortgage paymen. You'll never recover if you continue to make huge payments on a rapidly depreciati­­­­­­­ng house.

WALK AWAY from that inflated mortgage. WALK AWAY
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10:54 AM on 01/19/2012
Well, you do need to file for Bankruptcy first, but that is just an important technicality.

If you owe $300K on a physical structure that a willing buyer would pay a willing seller no more than $150K for, then ... to demand that you pay $150,000 for absolutely nothing is unconscionable. We do not have debtor's prisons in this country. And the lender has no security interest for more than half of his loan. (Since that security is an "asset" to him, it means that his own financial picture is vaporous.)

Ask a competent and qualified attorney for advice, and I am certain that he or she will tell you that, "this is precisely what bankruptcy law is FOR." To deal with, and to confront, radical changes in reality which neither one of you in bad faith brought upon the other, but which undeniably are now confronting you both.

Bankruptcy brings both of the interested parties -- debtor, and creditor -- to the table, and compels both of you to reach an equitable and binding resolution to the problem. Banks do not want this to happen (and they cast the net of pariah around the very WORD, "bankruptcy") because quite frankly they don't want to admit what has become true. But, just as surely as they can ask the Court to force you out of your home, you can ask the Court to acknowledge that the situation constitutes "bankruptcy."
11:28 AM on 01/19/2012
All the more reason to STICK TO THE BANKS and WALK AWAY from the grossly inflated mortgage payment.
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08:31 AM on 01/19/2012
only if they back date the law to cover all

don't tell me they can 't !!!

because they can and Have in the recent past !!

I offer tel-coms as proof that said back dating is possible