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Rahm Emanuel To Christina Romer During Stimulus Debate: 'What Are You Smoking?'

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The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/23/2012 3:41 pm Updated: 01/23/2012 4:14 pm

When the newly elected President Obama took his place in the White House early in 2009, so too arrived a vocal economic team at odds over the political and economic ramifications of increasing the size of a soon-to-be proposed stimulus.

In the eyes of some, a stimulus package too large could be problematic -- scaring investors and proving politically impossible. Others, most notably Berkeley economist Christina Romer, argued the government should do substantially more to help the economy recover from the financial crisis, according to a new article by The New Yorker's Ryan Lizza.

"What are you smoking?" said Rahm Emanuel, Obama's incoming chief of staff, after Romer, then the incoming chair of the Council of Economic Advisers, recommended a $1 trillion economic stimulus early on, according to The New Yorker.

Romer continuously said it was imperative to enact a massive stimulus to help fill the economy's $2 trillion output gap -- or the amount of goods and services that the economy was unable to produce because it was not in full health. "Mr. President, this is your 'holy shit' moment," she said at a Chicago meeting on December 16, 2008, a month before Obama's inauguration, according to Ron Suskind's book Confidence Men.

Romer's pessimistic view has been somewhat vindicated by recent data revisions that found the economy contracted substantially more during the recession than first thought. But Obama's team as a whole seems to have underestimated the recession according to the more timid earlier estimates anyway.

The economic team in January 2009 projected that even without a stimulus package, the unemployment rate would have fallen below 7 percent by the end of 2011, according to The Washington Post's Ezra Klein. Romer herself regrets predicting in January 2009 that the jobless rate would fall below 8 percent, according to WaPo. In its latest report, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the national unemployment rate to be 8.5 percent.

Some advisers concerned themselves with the administration's appearance. "There was the concern that we would look wacko lefty," said Peter Orszag, then the director of the Office of Management and Budget, according to Ron Suskind's book Confidence Men. Even though Romer reportedly argued for a $1.2 trillion stimulus, Larry Summers, then the incoming director of the National Economic Council, included only lower figures in his materials for the president.

Summers also argued the government didn't have the ability to bring the unemployment rate down to pre-recession levels. In a December 2008 memo, Summers wrote that an "excessive recovery package could spook markets or the public and be counterproductive," according to The New Yorker. The full memo, which was released by The New Yorker on Monday, is available here.

Summers and Romer weren't entirely at odds on the stimulus issue. In an early discussion, Summers said he agreed with Romer's statement that the stimulus should be "at least" $800 billion, according to Confidence Men. The final stimulus package wound up around $787 billion.

But Emanuel and David Axelrod, then a senior adviser to Obama, contended Congress simply would not pass a larger stimulus. "If we asked for $1.2 trillion, it probably would have created such a case of sticker shock that the system would have locked up there," Axelrod said, according to a separate New Yorker report.

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When the newly elected President Obama took his place in the White House early in 2009, so too arrived a vocal economic team at odds over the political and economic ramifications of increasing the si...
When the newly elected President Obama took his place in the White House early in 2009, so too arrived a vocal economic team at odds over the political and economic ramifications of increasing the si...
 
 
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Asknotwhatyorcountrycando4uaskwhtucando4yorcountry
05:27 PM on 01/25/2012
Libs are not going to believe this story the same way they did not believe the story about Michelle, right??
capn moose
Retired reading ranting
05:16 PM on 01/25/2012
Cannot remember every wasting time on such an inconsequential story. What Romer said, what Rahm said, what Summers maybe did, etc. Geez, not just inside baseball, but old, not informative. Sorry I wasted time even on this comment. Get a life, report news, get out of Washington at least once this year.
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wigcon
curmudgeon
04:48 PM on 01/25/2012
The President needs to clean house and sweep out all the Wall Street cronies that he has in the White House and all the others who think in Wall Street terms. He has listened to them for 4 years and because they don't want to look like leftists allowed the economy to almost tank. That is like a hippy cutting his hair and shaving his beard and buying new clothes to go home to his parents house for the holidays. Either you is or you ain't. This is what comes of walking down the middle all the time. Sometimes you have to take a stand. Rahm Emanuel looked his nose down at a woman from Berkeley and thought he could intimidate her with Chicago wit. Well, I guess he did but is the country better for Chicago politics?
04:11 PM on 01/25/2012
Being mayor of Chicago is most fitting station for Rahm Emanuel's political career.
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Yank in France
Thomas Paine, expat in France 1792-1802
09:42 AM on 01/25/2012
Rahm Emanuel dissed Obama's Chief Economic Advisor although he knows NOTHING about economics. But maybe he was vindicated by events, you might ask?

As the article points out, such is not the case:

"Romer continuously said it was imperative to enact a massive stimulus to help fill the economy's $2 trillion output gap -- or the amount of goods and services that the economy was unable to produce because it was not in full health. "Mr. President, this is your 'holy shit' moment," she said at a Chicago meeting on December 16, 2008, a month before Obama's inauguration, according to Ron Suskind's book Confidence Men.
Romer's pessimistic view has been somewhat vindicated by recent data revisions that found the economy contracted substantially more during the recession than first thought."

If the US economy is doing better today than its European peers, it is not so much because of Obama's weak stimulus spending but because of the hated Ben Bernanke's quantitative easing policies (I and II). 

Rahm Emanuel would have better served his country if he had remained in the Israeli defense Forces where he actually served a purpose!
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ruolivert
12:07 PM on 01/25/2012
The US economy isn't doing much better the Europe's, foreign investors just trust the debt we issue a little bit more then the debt the Euro issues. Relative stability in a instable world. In the world of the blind the one eyed man is king
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Yank in France
Thomas Paine, expat in France 1792-1802
05:11 PM on 01/25/2012
The US has 20% less unemployment than does Europe. You may not think that is much, but that adds up to a whole lot more consumption, which accounts for 70% of a modern economy's GDP.

Europe is also undergoing a debt crisis, which is not so much about the nominal amount of debt, but one of investor nervosity translating into much higher interest rates. 

Why are interest rates so important? Because the spread between the distressed countries and Germany has been as high as 6%, and in the case of Greece and Germany up to 15%! But just taking Italy, the cost-cutting of the Italian govt has already resulted in a BALANCED BUDGET on the primary account balance, i.e. excluding interest rates! Fine, everyone pays interest rates on debt, but Germany is paying less than 2% on 5-year bonds (the benchmark maturity) and the US a little more. If the Italians and Spanish were paying similar rates, there would be NO DEBT CRISIS in those countries, which are KEY to this crisis!

In short, debt levels are high but the cost of debt (interest rates) is the real problem. However, markets are reacting to the actions or lack thereof of govts and central banks. Despite the anachronistic criticism from both the ignorant right and left (not to mention the center!), the Fed's policies are PAYING OFF BIG TIME.

If you want to criticize Obama, you should criticize him for not launching a bigger stimulus spending program. Before you go to bed tonight, I suggest you say a little prayer for Uncle Ben Bernanke too, who has saved all our FAT ASSES!
10:41 PM on 01/24/2012
I miss Daley. He was a great man!!
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sillygames
04:34 PM on 01/24/2012
Isn't this the exact thing that caused no GDP growth in Japan for the better part of the 90's and 2000's. Highly inflated real estate values that were never written down to the real value (denial of the
housing bubble). If bonuses are paid against these highly INFLATED just so the Senior Management get's big bonuses based on INFLATED Balance Sheet so the WEALTHY are in Denial and want the game to continue being Kicked Down the Road.
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Mikeeee
conservatism = "low-effort" thinking.
03:26 PM on 01/24/2012
I want to see Obama's marks, because for someone who went to what is "supposed" to be a superior institute of learning, he has shown some serious comprehensive issues and a bad understanding of the constitution and the people who wrote and signed it.
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Republican No More
I would like to nominate my dog...she's smarter...
05:44 PM on 01/24/2012
Considering he was a constitutional law professor, that makes your remark even more curious.
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Mikeeee
conservatism = "low-effort" thinking.
06:50 PM on 01/24/2012
You meant his actions more curious, right?
Sure is curious that a constitutional law professor wouldn't recognize how much gw and he continues to do that are against the constitution. Yep, sure is curious.
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ruolivert
12:12 PM on 01/25/2012
Makes one wonder why a constitution professor believes he can work around the 4th amendment at will. It scares me that he takes such liberties with the document he swore to uphold
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Yank in France
Thomas Paine, expat in France 1792-1802
09:43 AM on 01/25/2012
I am deeply critical of Obama but I fail to see how he has violated the constitution. Care to give a few examples?
03:20 PM on 01/24/2012
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2012/01/the-summers-memo.html

In a piece this week on Barack Obama’s shift from idealism to pragmatism, I describe an important fifty-seven-page document from Lawrence Summers to President-elect Barack Obama dated December 15, 2008:

Marked “Sensitive and Confidential,” the document, which has never been made public, presents Obama with the scale of the crisis. “The economic outlook is grim and deteriorating rapidly,” it said. The U.S. economy had lost two million jobs that year; without a government response, it would lose four million more in the next year. Unemployment would rise above nine per cent unless a significant stimulus plan was passed. The estimates were getting worse by the day.

This document is the ur-text of economic policymaking for the Obama Administration. Given the importance of this issue for understanding the past few years, I’m making the full document available below. (Click on the arrows in the lower left corner to expand.) I hope it ignites a lively debate.
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structurequity
structurequity not oppression
03:00 PM on 01/24/2012
Rahm is one of the salient reasons that Obama is in the tank with his base!
Romer was so right about the need for 1.2 trillion and more... but instead we got the austerity measures of summers and emanuel stoked by geitner and bernanke... a model the EU seems to be emanuelating
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wowme
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail
02:33 PM on 01/24/2012
This is what happens when you have moderates fixing the conservative problems.

I so hope Obama become more progressive during his next term and get things done the right way.
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
01:48 PM on 01/24/2012
there are still 1.3 million less folks working today than in jan 2009......so the unemployment rate is a product of fuzzy math even at 8% plus. if he had started saying in december 2008 that he was going to make departments more efficient, pass pro business tax cuts instead of talking about card check, cap and tax, and o b a m a care.......we would have never had such a deep dip.
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SpeakupNation
Pray for the dead and fight like hell for the livi
02:03 PM on 01/24/2012
What were jobs doing the DAY Obama took office?
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Moose Luck 99
Rand Paul is a LIAR!
02:26 PM on 01/24/2012
American citizens living in poverty have risen 9.5% from 39,800,000 to 43,600,000, and the number of unemployed has jumped almost 25% from 11,616,000 to 14,485,000 as of August 31, 2011. The number of unemployed blacks has risen from 12.6% at the end of George Bush's term to 15.8% today, a 25.4% increase, and finally, our national debt is up 34.4% from 10.627 trillion to 14,278 trillion *
10:52 AM on 01/25/2012
Unfortunately, the damage was already done. Just asked the Captain of that wrecked ship in Italy. Running a big ship aground can have disastrous consequences. As an American body polotick, we allowed Bush to carry us into two unfunded wars and cut taxes three times. You can't do that. It's like buying a bigger house while taking a lower paying job. I'm not saying it's all Bush's fault or that Obama could not have done a whole lot of things better, but there is little question that Romney, Gingrich, Paul, Palin all would have struggled and marginally, we would have not had much better results.
oilfield
small manufacturing business owner
12:42 PM on 01/25/2012
the taxes are still the same....and the war doesnt explain the current spending.
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Bart DePalma
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01:13 PM on 01/24/2012
What Obama and the Dems did instead was break up the $1.2 trillion borrow and spend spree into the roughly $800 billion bill enacted in the winter followed by a roughly 20% increase in the FY2009 budget enacted in April 2009.
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NickTAZ
The blue = Job Growth
01:28 PM on 01/24/2012
And how much of the $800 billion "spending" was actually tax cuts...? Funny how a tax cut is considered spending.
01:32 PM on 01/24/2012
It's a 'tax expenditure', right? Any money not paid in tax is an expense to the government.
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Bart DePalma
Bart DePalma
01:36 PM on 01/24/2012
Zero. Not a single tax rate was reduced and the payments were not limited to those paying taxes. In fact, these "rebates" were micro welfare payments for which the government borrowed money.

We are still operating under the Bush 2003 tax rates.
11:07 AM on 01/24/2012
Romer was right, but of course she wasn't one of the frat boys running the show. Or in the employ of Wall Street bankers like Obama, Rahm and Geithner.
squat6971
59 *was* divine -- 60? not so much
11:03 AM on 01/24/2012
Obv, Romer was right. She spoke as an economist. Rahm spoke as a politician. Sometimes, the twain do meet. But not that time.