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Chris Christie Gay Marriage Stance: Would Veto Bill Legalizing Same-Sex Unions, Supports Ballot Measure

Chris Christie Gay Marriage

ANGELA DELLI SANTI and SAMANTHA HENRY   01/24/12 07:01 PM ET  AP

TRENTON, N.J. — Republican Gov. Chris Christie vowed Tuesday to veto a gay marriage bill under consideration in the Legislature, upending Democrats' plans to revive a measure that failed two years ago and attempting to force lawmakers to put the issue on the ballot instead.

Recent polls show a majority of New Jerseyans support the right of same-sex couples to wed, while voters in 31 states have adopted constitutional amendments defining marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

Democrats who control the Legislature say the issue is one of civil rights; like a woman's right to vote or anti-discrimination measures, it doesn't belong on the ballot. With Christie seeking a referendum and Democratic leaders resisting, a protracted political standoff is likely.

Similar legislation failed in the Senate in 2010. Six states and Washington, D.C. permit gay marriages.

"Whether or not to redefine hundreds of years of societal and religious traditions should not be decided by 121 people in the Statehouse," Christie said. "Let the people of New Jersey decide what is right for the state."

Christie had said as recently as Monday he would consider the issue if the bill gained momentum in the Legislature, but then made his first explicit promise to veto the bill after a town hall event Tuesday in Bridgewater. The Senate Judiciary Committee, which was holding a hearing on the bill the same day, forwarded the measure to the full Senate hours later, on an 8-4 party-line vote.

"We are going to send this to the governor's desk somehow," said Senate Democratic leader Loretta Weinberg of Teaneck. "That I guarantee you."

With Christie's position now clear – he staked out similar ground while campaigning for office in 2009 – Republican lawmakers are expected to line up behind the governor regardless of how they feel personally about gay marriage. Democrats do not have veto-proof majorities in either house, dimming prospects for an override even if they get the bill through; not all Democrats support it.

Senate President Stephen Sweeney, a Democrat who is sponsoring the bill, said some Republicans support it.

"The governor should allow them to vote their conscience. His announcement today was to try to put a damper on what we're trying to do. It's not happening. We're not backing down. We're not giving up."

Assembly Speaker Sheila Oliver agreed, saying lawmakers would not shy away from the issue because it is difficult. The Assembly could begin considering the measure as early as next week.

Sweeney, who didn't always support gay marriage, abstained from voting on the measure the last time around, but later called his inaction the biggest mistake of his political career.

"For those who haven't made their minds up, or are leaning toward voting no, I urge you to take another look," Sweeney testified at the hearing. "How would you feel if your government told you you couldn't marry the person you love because of who you chose to love?"

Some of Tuesday's testimony was from same-sex couples who said the state's civil union law – which conveys the benefits of marriage without the title – doesn't work as intended.

John Grant and Daniel Weiss, an Asbury Park couple who are in a civil union, attended the session to support the legislation.

When Grant was in a life-threatening automobile accident and rushed to a New York hospital in 2010 – before that state legalized gay marriage – Weiss said he couldn't authorize badly needed surgery or even go through his partner's wallet to find his health insurance card. He said their civil union was essentially worthless; Grant's neurosurgeon even asked, "What is a civil union?"

Also Tuesday, 127 professors from 48 law schools around the country signed a letter saying New Jersey's civil union law cannot be fixed.

The professors, including former New Jersey Public Advocate Ron Chen, said the law granting gay couples the benefits of marriage without the title will never be equal to the right to marry.

The letter was sent to Christie, a Catholic, and the Legislature.

The legislation contains a religious opt-out clause, meaning no church clergy would be required to perform gay marriages; places of worship would not have to allow same-sex weddings at their facilities.

Nonetheless, several cited their religious beliefs as the reason to vote down the proposal.

"A vote for gay marriage is a vote against God," said Pat Necerato, a Millstone resident who operates an online ministry, though he is not ordained.

Sen. Joseph Kyrillos, a Monmouth County Republican who is seeking the GOP nomination for U.S. Senate, said flaws in the civil union law should be addressed. For example, he encouraged the Health Department to investigate claims that civil unions are being ignored when one partner is hospitalized.

Dissatisfied with the civil union law enacted five years ago, New Jersey's gay rights organization, Garden State Equality, and same-sex couples have sued to force the state to allow gay couples to marry. The lawsuit is pending and is likely to be decided by the state Supreme Court.

Christie on Monday nominated an openly gay black man to the court. During the news conference that followed, he said he would look at the gay marriage bill if it gained traction, though he said he was not inclined to change his opposition.

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Henry reported from Bridgewater.

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10:04 PM on 01/31/2012
A vote for gay marriage is the equivalent to a vote against God? So gay marriage is now being viewed as a non-existent entity that people blindly accept without proof? Weird. I thought legally documented matters were more fact than belief based.
It's sad that a man can sit at his desk with the glow of his 'online ministry website' upon his face, make such an absurd statement, and think that his opinion is everyone else's truth. The irrationality of both his words and career choice are laughable. It's seriously becoming ridiculous how much government and religion are merging together and running more and more of our lives.
I'm gonna civil union a woman, divorce her, and after a short period of time civil union her again. Then will it be a 'real' American marriage?
06:20 PM on 01/27/2012
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..." - Declaration of Independence.

All people are entitled to the same rights. Marriage included.

http://paranoidpolitico.blogspot.com/2012/01/civil-rights.html
10:48 PM on 01/26/2012
You get to vote on whether or not I can marry the person I love...like everyone else...and I get to vote on how many Big Macs you can shove down your throat in one sitting. You will be a very unhappy man...I'm sure. Get real. Seriously. It's NOT an issue that has any right being put to a vote. You are horrible.
01:11 PM on 01/26/2012
Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey argued this week that the issue was “too serious to be treated like a political football.” Governor Christie, frankly, this issue is too serious to be threatened by the tyranny of the majority. Equality for all!
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jonandian
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10:46 PM on 01/25/2012
RIGHTS are not up for popular vote, that is why they are called rights. If you want to debate marriage and why you dont believe it is a right bring it on because i will bring facts and destroy you because NOM talking points are full of it and are not only illegitimate but are based on lies.
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Wayne Peterson
10:19 PM on 01/25/2012
Thanks, but someone who commits the biblical sin of gluttony on a daily basis should not be reminding others of "religious traditions"......
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UptheStairs
03:50 PM on 01/26/2012
Besides that, religious traditions should have NO say in civil rights
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Diana Scrimger
08:16 PM on 01/25/2012
The Yes on Prop 8 side is going to win. Marriage is between a man and a woman. The Yes on Prop side can prove that you cannot marry an AKA. the Yes on Prop 8 man is opnely straight. The Yes on Prop 8 man could end up being the President of the Free World. Now that would really suprise people!
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AdamWest1313
Hardcore Agnostic
10:02 PM on 01/25/2012
Yeah, who cares about Loving v. Virginia, right? Who cares that you do not get to vote on the civil rights of minorities in a Constitutional Republic, right? Who cares that it doesn't affect you in the slightest, right?

As long as you have someone to keep down.
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jonandian
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10:50 PM on 01/25/2012
First of all the Yes on Prop 8 side has lost already. They lost in the California supreme court and they will lose the appellate court. Thanks to the Yes on Prop 8 people they will challenge this to the supreme court and then guess what will happen. Kennedy, Sotomayor, Kagen, Breyer, & ginsburg will vote Prop 8 also unconstitutional and same sex marriage bans will be struck down across the entire country! All thanks to people like you same sex marriage will be the law of the land!
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Richbruin
We'll walk this world together through the storm
01:10 PM on 01/25/2012
Look, Obama was not elected by the gay community or the pro-choicers. He was elected by moderate, middle-class Americans like me that were not happy with the choice we were given. We looked the other way on moral issues, but here's news for you:next time we won't. So keep on pushing this but get used to saying President Gingrich and understand you will have no one to blame but yourselves.
chesscub
Mind of a computer, body of a walrus
01:56 PM on 01/25/2012
You can't tax cut your way out of a recession and that's the only thing the Republican party has offered.
03:30 PM on 01/25/2012
Thank-you for letting us know that you speak for all moderate, middle-class Americans!

PS, Newt is a radical, so good luck with that
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Brannon Smith
Delivering Tamron Hall-style smackdowns. DONE!
12:03 PM on 01/25/2012
I think people who oppose gay marriage are ridiculous. How does 2 men or 2 women being married affect you AT ALL? It just makes you uncomfortable. And your comfort level is most definitely worth more than equal rights, huh Chris?
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Richbruin
We'll walk this world together through the storm
01:05 PM on 01/25/2012
No, it isn't a matter of discomfort, more like disgust.
chesscub
Mind of a computer, body of a walrus
01:30 PM on 01/25/2012
That's your issue then, not mine. Disgust is not a reason to bar a gay couple from marrying.
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Mason Hernandez
01:31 PM on 01/25/2012
it's no picnic for to look at you either
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Birdman 49
Living day by day
04:21 PM on 01/25/2012
I really think most of the men and women in office are NOT against same sex marrage, I think they are saying they are just to play up to the people. In back rooms, they really want to pass a bill. With that said, yes there are some who for some reason want to get mean about it from happening. Chris is a mod republican, but playing the roll of a righty. I am sure glad he is NOT my Gov. Mine is bad enough
11:01 AM on 01/25/2012
Not that I at all support or remotely agree with Christie's decision, but at least he isn't thumping the bible and using it as an excuse for his opposition.

"Whether or not to redefine hundreds of years of societal and religious traditions should not be decided by 121 people in the Statehouse," is one of the "fairest" arguments against passing the Bill...I'd rather hear that than some of the excuses made by the "prayin' Ricks" (Santorum and Perry).

Although..I'm willing to bet Christie only said that because he knew the Bill would pass in the mostly Democratic senate though..
10:16 AM on 01/25/2012
“You do know NJ has a Democratic majority, most northeast Democrats think gay marriage is fine.”

PARepublican
“Do you have proof of this?”

Yes I do.

New Jersey voters support 52 - 42 percent allowing same-sex couples to marry, the first time support tops 50 percent. There is a strong divide between those who attend religious services weekly and those who attend less frequently, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

The previous high for same-sex marriage was 49 - 43 percent in an April 23, 2009 survey by the independent Quinnipiac University.

In today's survey, support for same-sex marriage is 62 - 33 percent among Democrats and 54 - 38 percent among independent voters. Republicans are opposed 59 - 35 percent. White Catholics support it 50 - 45 percent while white Protestants are opposed 51 - 44 percent. Voters who attend religious services weekly are opposed 58 - 36 percent, while voter who attend services less frequently support same-sex marriage 61 - 33 percent.

As usual Republicans are mired in ideological bullchit, instead of the will of the majority.
08:00 AM on 01/25/2012
We hold elections and choose representatives to make these decisions. Let the elected officials do their job.
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lymartinco
07:34 AM on 01/25/2012
Humty Dumpty sat on a wall, Humpty Dumpty will have a great Fall....
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Robbert Bricker
The Undeniable
07:21 AM on 01/25/2012
i think we need a constitutional ban against the abrahamic faith religions. let's face it, throughout their violence and hate-filled histories, these three religions have brought so much destruction and prejudice to this nation and the world.
10:31 PM on 01/25/2012
I want freedom from religion.
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Robbert Bricker
The Undeniable
11:41 PM on 01/25/2012
you and me both! ;)
07:02 AM on 01/25/2012
Let these people get married, but do not let them adopt. Keep the teaching of the gay lifestyle choice out of our schools. It is not an okay lifestyle and I dont want it to be taught and poison and confuse all these young minds. Get married and then do what the heteros do keep your life private.
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Robert Galyean
Do I Wake or Do I Sleep?
07:38 AM on 01/25/2012
Sorry, but I will adopt if I want to and you're not stopping me.
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chesscub
Mind of a computer, body of a walrus
11:10 AM on 01/25/2012
It's not a lifestyle. My "lifestyle" is no different than a married heterosexual couple.
12:43 PM on 01/25/2012
It is your lifestyle choice and it is a whole lot different then a normal hetero life.