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First Posted: 01/24/2012 3:43 pm Updated: 01/25/2012 1:28 pm

Colorado state senators on Monday rejected legislation proposed by Republicans that would allow concealed weapons on school campuses, KJCT 8 News reports.

Colorado Republicans proposed five pieces of legislation in both the state House and the Senate that were either similar or identical to previous pro-gun bills that have failed in the past, according the Colorado Statesman.

Two nearly identical bills introduced in the House and Senate would ease restrictions on carrying concealed handguns and firearms by lifting permit requirements, the Statesman reported.

Other sets of bills would prohibit authorities from confiscating weapons during emergencies and would eliminate the requirement that the Colorado Bureau of Investigation perform backgrounds checks on potential gun owners because they are already screened once by weapons dealers.

Proposed legislation focused on easing restrictions for carrying guns has particular consequences for students of Colorado colleges and universities which, under current law, can independently decide whether or not students are permitted to carry concealed weapons on campus, according to NPR.

But many state legislators believe all Colorado residents should have the right to carry concealed weapons, including students on college campuses.

"It comes down to a freedom of liberty and a less government issue, and empowering citizens to do something that should be a basic right -- everybody being able to protect yourself and your family," Sen. Tim Neville (R-Littleton) told the Statesman.

Neville introduced Senate Bill 25, which would removing permit requirements for carrying a concealed firearm.

A number of Democratic legislators have also expressed agreement with Neville's position.

"Someone's going to go shoot up a school whether or not they get a permit beforehand," Sal Pace (D-Pueblo) told the Statesman. "These are easy choices for me."

With the Colorado Senate Committee's ruling Monday, colleges will retain the right to implement their own weapons control policies. But that right may be challenged when the legislation goes up for vote in the House.

According to NPR, since the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings, an increasing number of colleges have lifted restrictions on carrying guns on campus. In response, legislators across the nation have introduced 56 bills over the past three years specifically addressing college gun laws, only one of which has passed.

"While there's a lot of talk about it, it doesn't seem like legislators are willing to move these bills along very far," Vincent Badolato, a policy analyst with the National Conference of State Legislatures, told NPR.

In the meantime, the right of college students to carry guns is still being battled out on Colorado campuses.

Colorado State University's board of directors voted unanimously to ban guns on school campus in 2010, but later overturned the ban due to pending decision by the Colorado Court of Appeals as to whether students at the University of Colorado should be able to carry concealed weapons on campus, according to The Chronicle of Higher Education.

The University of Colorado banned guns in 1970 excepting the handful of students who kept hunting equipment in lockers with campus police, according to The Denver Post.

Then in 2003, Colorado passed the Concealed Carry Act (CCA), which required residents carrying concealed firearms to be at least 21 years old and pass a background check. When the University of Colorado asked then-Attorney General Ken Salazar if the CCA also applied to students at universities with gun bans in place, Salazar ruled that it did not.

But in the wake of the 2007 Virginia Tech shootings, two students at the University of Colorado and one alumnus filed a complaint in state court against the University of Colorado's regents in order to overturn the gun ban, reviving a 1994 lawsuit that was thrown out.

The Colorado Court of Appeals eventually ruled that the University of Colorado's policy-making authorities did not have the right to prohibit students who met the CCA's requirements for carrying a concealed weapon from carrying them on campus, The Denver Post reported. The University's Board of Regents then voted to appeal the court decision.

CLARIFICATION: A previous version of this article failed to mention that Colorado State University reversed its weapons ban due to a pending decision by The Colorado Court of Appeals on whether or not students at its sister system, the University of Colorado, would be able to carry concealed weapons on campus. The Court of Appeals eventually ruled in favor of allowing University of Colorado students with concealed gun permits to carry weapons on campus, which the University's Board of Regents voted to appeal.
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lakespell
Once upon a time in the far, far distant future...
05:40 PM on 01/28/2012
I have said it before and I will continue to say it.

GUNS!! Guns + college drinking = ???

I have nothing against owning a gun. I have owned guns myself in the past. But there are some people who should not be allowed to obtain them. This incident is a case in point. There has to be a middle ground that can be reached.

The following is an excerpt from a video poem on you tube. If you would care to view it go to You Tube & search Steel Toys.

STEEL TOYS
Was she your mother? Was he your son?
Was it someone you loved who came under the gun?
When you pull that trigger, who do you see?
Do you think in your mind, "Who could that be?"
Do you see your sister, or brother there?
Could you tell with pride, your mother, where --¬-
you had been --- or what you had done?
Do you think at all, when you hold that gun?
You cruise the streets so brave and so bold,
you stole my baby --- she was nine years old.
You took her away with one little squeeze ---¬
you have the weapons --- you do as you please.
You must feel like a god, you can take people's lives,
making orphans of children, making widows of wives.
10:42 AM on 01/29/2012
I absolutely agree that gun violence is always a tragedy. But there are a couple things that you must realize.

First, you are never going to entirely eradicate guns or those who wish to use them for evil purposes. I wish criminals could never get guns, but they will obtain them regardless of laws aimed to disarm them. That's what makes them criminals.

Second, No one can be responsible for the safety of an individual except that individual himself. It comes down to the overused, but indicative adage, "when seconds count, the police are just minutes away." It doesn't matter how unlikely it is that you'll encounter a criminal with the intent of doing you harm, and I wish it never happened to anyone. But if the situation arises, you had better be able to fight back, because no one will be there to fight for you.

To me, your poem emphasizes the existence of the dangers in the world and the necessity for defense. You may find it noble to refuse to meet violence with violence. I respect that, and you have the right to exercise that passivity. You do not, however, have the right to take away my ability to ensure my own safety, because I choose to fight back.
10:51 AM on 01/29/2012
Also, it is always illegal to carry a gun while intoxicated, whether licensed or not. That means that the prevalence of alcohol among college students is irrelevant to this bill on two accounts.

1) It is already provided for by current concealed carry laws, so the prohibition of carrying on campus (and in bars for that matter) simply because drinking occurs there is redundant and unnecessary.

2) College drinking occurs OFF-campus, as pointed out by a number of other posters in this forum.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
11:19 PM on 01/30/2012
No it is not always illegal to carry a gun while intoxicated. PA, for instance, has no such law.
08:08 PM on 01/27/2012
When we strip away the fiery, emotional anecdotes and the nefarious fear-mongering prevalent on BOTH sides of the argument, I think this issue becomes very simple. Does an individual have a right to personal safety? The answer is resoundingly yes! Therefore, when a college campus restricts the ability of students/faculty to ensure their own, individual safety by banning firearms, that university must take upon itself the responsibility that each and every individual is 100% safe, 100% of the time. The safety record of our nation's universities is exceptional (note 1). In fact, there are few places I go where I feel more safe than a university. However, it is impossible to maintain absolute security, as demonstrated by any number of violent incidences perpetrated on campuses around the nation. It is, therefore, reasonable and necessary to allow individuals to carry weapons on campus as they do elsewhere (i.e. subject to licensing). Otherwise, schools must be held partially accountable for violent crimes that they are unable to prevent.

note 1- According to FBI crime statistics (and a handy excel sheet to add up numbers) the 2010 violent crime rate on college campuses was 35.7 for every 100,000 students. Compared to the US vcr of 403.6 that is a 1,131% decrease. http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/standard-links/universities-and-colleges
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LC Scotty
11:29 AM on 01/28/2012
Bear in mind that the discussion is not just about what happens on campus. A significant portion of those on campus during the day include faculty, staff and commuting students. All of these groups of people must travel through the "real world" where the rate of violent crime is, as you pointed out, 1100% greater.
11:01 AM on 01/29/2012
You're absolutely right. That is why I'm a proponent of concealed carry in all places. CCW holders undergo background checks, take classes, train, and (hopefully) spend a considerable amount of time in personal reflection coming to grips with the severe moral consequences of using a weapon to defend themselves. It seems silly to consider that person trustworthy in one place, but a threat in another.
10:28 PM on 01/26/2012
30,000 Americans are killed by gun use yearly. The last thing we need is to see our youngest and brightest slaughtered at a college campus.
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Grumpy Man
Disappointed idealist
12:42 AM on 01/27/2012
"The last thing we need is to see our youngest and brightest slaughtere­d at a college campus."

You're right!

Never again!

Allow young adults to defend themselves ON and off campus.
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schotts
Strength and Honor
01:30 AM on 01/27/2012
By who? Law abiding citizens?
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hagagaga
You can't take the sky from me.
06:28 PM on 01/26/2012
It's working pretty well in Utah.
05:54 PM on 01/26/2012
Are CCW holders a statistically significant danger off-campus?

If so, what proof is there?

If not, why would they be a danger on-campus?
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Ariel Bonzai
Naked is the best disguise.
01:42 PM on 01/26/2012
Columbine? Hell I was teaching English at UNC when a students boyfriend held the dirt hostage, sniper took him out.
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rikilii
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12:51 PM on 01/27/2012
Huh? You certainly don't write like someone who taught English at the university level.
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Ariel Bonzai
Naked is the best disguise.
08:09 PM on 01/29/2012
When ya know the rules you can break em. Besides my iPad corrects me poorly. Ever read an Mark Twain?
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LC Scotty
11:34 AM on 01/28/2012
Thank Heaven the dirt was rescued safe and sound. I'd hate to consider all of the awful things he could have done to that poor dirt.
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Ariel Bonzai
Naked is the best disguise.
08:08 PM on 01/29/2012
Eel. The article is exploring the notion of guns in school seems the only civil right kids do have is the second.i wd stress however that afew weeks ago a 14 year old kid was gunned down by police at school because he was waving a bb gun around & kids have died for water pistols.
01:13 PM on 01/26/2012
Well, Colorado already has a number of college campuses that allow concealed carry. There haven't been any problems.

So what's the big deal?
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
12:51 PM on 01/27/2012
The big deal is that the anti-self-defense contingent doesn't care about facts, or even accurately representing the story.
11:34 AM on 01/26/2012
It seems a lot of people still have no idea what they are talking about. To summarize some facts:

CONCEALED CARRY: Concealed carry in Colorado requires that the person have a permit to carry concealed. This is not a permit to purchase or permit to possess. To get a concealed carry permit the person must be at least 21 years old, be fingerprinted, have a background check, and take a training course.

FEDERAL AND STATE AGE LIMITS: Colorado follows the federal age limits for firearms. To possess a handgun, a person must be 18 years old. To purchase a handgun from a dealer or to purchase handgun ammo, they must be 21 years old. To possess a rifle or shotgun, there is no age limit, but to buy from a dealer or to purchase ammo they must be at least 18 years old.

FRATERNITIES AND STUDENT LIFE: Frat houses are almost always located OFF CAMPUS and therefore already not affected by any campus bans. The majority of the students live off campus where they can have firearms and can carry concealed with a permit.
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field-man
The 2nd Amendment
12:01 PM on 01/26/2012
It seems you are clear thinker and have a resonable approch to the problem at hand, and a 2nd Amendment supporter, and for that I do commend you, however you will find very little support here at this site, It is overrun with anti gun people and Brady Bunch supporters that usually let there emotions get in the way of thinking and are basicly afraid of a big scary gun that has more capacity than Barney Fife's revolver
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trekie70
Lifelong bibliophile and political junkie
02:58 PM on 01/26/2012
Aren't Greek houses usually university run and managed, thus subject to university policy? I think you missed the target with this comment.
05:39 PM on 01/26/2012
The colleges have very limited control of the houses. The houses can fall under charters from their respective national organizations. The colleges cannot really say that there can be no firearms in the frat house. The national fraternity can make firearm restrictions part of the chapter requirements. Many frat houses allow firearms in the house even though the college or university does not allow firearms on campus.
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schotts
Strength and Honor
06:03 PM on 01/26/2012
You are thinking of academic fraternities and sororities.

Social greek houses (and the ones everyone usually thinks of) are usually organized by local chapters of national fraternities or sororities. Every university is different but usually there typically the University will "recognize" each fraternity or sorority via a formal application process. After that, there is a memorandum of understanding or similar agreement betwee the house and the University that outlines what the relationship.

Nonetheless, if a person joins a fraternity house at most Universities, the physical house may be located off campus and thus not subject to policies that may govern concealed carry. However, that particular house and more so, the National association of that fraternity may govern the allowence of firearms in the house or not.

When I was in school, at CSU - which allows concealed carry by the way, a number of us kept guns in our closet at the fraternity house. We hunted and participated in target shooting. Never any incidents of guns coming out at party's, over girlfriends, etc.
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Dadzilla
Breathing radioactive fire for admusement
12:42 AM on 01/26/2012
Just what we need, drunken frat parties with guns... yea, that's gonna work out just peachy.
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Dimensio
I just don't know what went wrong!
01:05 AM on 01/26/2012
Do such events occur at college campuses where the carrying of firearms by licensed civilians is not prohibited?
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schotts
Strength and Honor
01:47 AM on 01/26/2012
Sorry to burst your bubble, but most franternities at Colorado colleges are off campus. This is about concealed carry on campus.

Not to mention, once off campus, students living in fraternities are no longer subject to school policies.

When I was in college at Colorado State (which allows concealed carry btw) and lived in a fraternity house, about 10 of the 40 of us living there had guns - that we kept in the house. Why? We hunted and target shot. I assure you, there was drunken debauchery but NEVER did someone bring out a gun. Sorry, it just doesn't happen like that.

And back to your post, you are...well, way off target.
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat Gambler, satellite whisperer. Independe
11:18 PM on 01/25/2012
Talk about grade inflation pressures. Probably need to administer a website based test from the book publisher to protect the profs.
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DeclineToState
Cogito, ergo armatum
02:46 AM on 01/26/2012
"ARGUMENT: Some professors might be afraid to issue bad grades if they know that students could be carrying guns."

"Answer: Why should professors be more afraid of issuing bad grades to students who want to carry guns LEGALLY than of issuing bad grades to students who might already be carrying guns ILLEGALLY? College campuses are open environments—they don’t have controlled
points of entry, metal detectors, or X-ray machines. In light of the fact that a person unconcerned with violating the rules can walk onto a college campus carrying pretty much anything he or she chooses, some professors might feel more comfortable about issuing bad grades if they
knew they were allowed the means to defend themselves."

http://concealedcampus.org/common_arguments.php
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KarmaPatrol
Riverboat Gambler, satellite whisperer. Independe
04:40 PM on 01/26/2012
Well, it won't be much longer before human profs are replaced by Skynet ver 3.0., so the point is probably mute.

Gotta run - Univ of California's Skynet is "requesting" my next research paper... and I'm not making Skynet mad.

Do I even have a human professor or is it just a picture of a long-replaced, obsolete human?
InYourWorld
Progressive, educated, redneck but fan of no party
06:40 PM on 01/26/2012
That makes no sense;

If a student is planning on harming (shooting) an instructor over grades they will do it regardless of whether firearms are allowed on campus or not. I often saw my instructors in public (off campus) at places where I can legally have a concealed firearm.

You also seem to forget that the age for CCW in CO is 21, so that rules out about 60% of the college population that can legally have a concealed firearm.

Additionally there have been zero problems in UT, where this is already allowed.
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hazyafternoonsunshine
Life's a ball, buster!
10:43 PM on 01/25/2012
So let people carry concealed weapons to court (especially criminal and family law proceedings, I mean why should the bailiff get more rights than you and me?) and to civic meetings as well (legislative sessions, anyone?). Why stop at college campuses? Why not allow kids to carry weapons to school? And we should all get to carry weapons on airplanes as well. Because things were so much better back in the days that people dueled in the streets and bars. Oh, I forgot, guns in bars is an absolute must. But not just guns, how about axes, knives cross bows and swords as well? We can send our kids to school in Kevlar, and the teacher can teach behind bullet proof glass. After all, if we want to kill each other, er defend ourselves, there should be no limits on that freedom. Shoot first. Ask questions later. The "I'm right, you're dead" rule of public discourse.
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rikilii
Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
08:20 AM on 01/26/2012
In some communities, it is legal to carry guns to civic meetings. The only problem it causes is people whining about the fact that some people carry guns there. As for the rest of comments....you could feed a lot of horses with all that straw.
08:49 AM on 01/26/2012
Courtrooms are generally secured locations. Civic meetings frequently allow carry. There are age limits on carry and possession. Airplanes are secured locations. Duels are mostly a Hollywood/novelist invention. Guns have been allowed in bars in many many states for decades or centuries, all without problems. Interestingly most states have stricter regulation of melee weapons than they do of firearms.

The rest is just tripe.
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
07:19 PM on 01/25/2012
One very refreshing difference with this story and the picture?

The picture near the top, the person with the handgun is actually demonstrating proper trigger discipline! Way to go HuffPo!!
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schotts
Strength and Honor
07:51 PM on 01/25/2012
I noticed that as well.
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wolflover3825
Hungry Like the Wolf.
07:55 PM on 01/25/2012
He's most likely an actual gun owner and CCW permit holder.
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Colorado Hunter
Now a Idaho Hunter
06:06 PM on 01/25/2012
I dont know how many of you are from Colorado, There is some good legislation being proposed here

House Bill 1048, could save millions of dollars of taxpayers money by eleminating a double background check

House Bill 1088, would allow business owners, managers and employees to use deadly force against an intruder, free of prosecution.

House Bill 1064, which would prohibit the confiscation of firearms from citizens during declared emergencies

House Bill 1092 would end the requirement to possess a permit in order to carry a concealed handgun in Colorado.

And I would encorage anybody from Colorado to contact your local State ofiicial and have them vote yes on these
06:59 PM on 01/25/2012
House Bill 1088, would allow business owners, managers and employees to use deadly force against an intruder, free of prosecutio­n.

No trial, no judge, no jury, just an execution? For criminal trespass. As anti-American a piece of prospective legislation, as any I've ever heard. Only a coward could support 1088..
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field-man
The 2nd Amendment
07:34 PM on 01/25/2012
And why would it be wrong to use deadly force against a armed bank robber?
If crimanals knew this was the law of the land I think there would be a lot less crimes commited against owners of business
07:59 PM on 01/25/2012
Why exactly is it wrong to meet unlawful deadly force with lawful deadly force?
07:16 PM on 01/25/2012
30,000 Americans are killed by gun use yearly, Cooarado ranks 28th in gun use deaths. This law will only open the door to murder and mayhem.
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Old Jarhead
F-4. The triumph of thrust over aerodynamics
07:21 PM on 01/25/2012
How so? The carriers will be adults, the CHL holders in the US are a small fraction of the general population. About the only thing that will change is that those who already can carry off campus, will be allowed to carry on campus.
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field-man
The 2nd Amendment
07:30 PM on 01/25/2012
According to this site looks like California has the most crime, and they have the strictist gun laws

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/interactive/2011/sep/27/gun-crime-map-statistics

And I am not sure but I think Denver has a firearm ban similar to NYC, where the majority of gun crime is commited
But dont let that stop you from promoting lies about gun control and how safe we will all be if we turned in our firearms
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dimitrius
Resurrecting Jeffersonian principals in the 21st
05:58 PM on 01/25/2012
If guns would have been allowed at Virginia Tech, their would have been very few murdered in that tragedy instead of the mass murder spree we saw. I'll take it even further and say if the perpetrator was aware that students had the right to have guns on campus, I doubt he would try what he tried.