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Dog Skull From 33,000 Years Ago Found In Siberia

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/24/2012 9:48 am Updated: 01/24/2012 9:48 am

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A profile of the Siberian dog skull shows the shortened snout and crowded teeth that helped scientists determine this ancient animal was domesticated.

How long have we been raising dogs? According to new research, long enough that we ought to call them 'caveman's best friend.'

A 33,000 year-old dog skull was unearthed in a cave in the Altai Mountains of Siberia, according to a recent study in the online journal PloS One. This skull represents some of the oldest known evidence of dog domestication, along with equally ancient dog remains found in a cave in Belgium. Together, the two samples indicate that domestic dogs may have come from more than one ancestor and more than one area, contrary to what some scientists thought.

Researchers judge by the structure of the remains that both the Belgian find and the Siberian find are domesticated species.

“Essentially, wolves have long thin snouts and their teeth are not crowded, and domestication results in this shortening of the snout and widening of the jaws and crowding of the teeth,” Greg Hodgins, a researcher at the University of Arizona’s Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Laboratory and co-author of the study, said in a written statement. "What's interesting is that it doesn't appear to be an ancestor of modern dogs."

This is likely because the Siberian skull predates the last great ice age, which occurred between 26,000 and 19,000 years ago. Because the ice sheets severely disrupted life for humans and animals during this time, Hodgins believes neither the Belgian nor the Siberian lineages survived the severe conditions.

"Typically we think of domestication as being cows, sheep, and goats, things that produce food through meat or secondary agricultural products such as milk, cheese, and wool. Things like that," said Hodgins.

"Those are different relationships than humans may have with dogs," he continued. "The dogs are not necessarily providing products or meat. They are probably providing protection, companionship and perhaps helping on the hunt. And it's really interesting that this appears to have happened first out of all human relationships with animals."

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ktbird67
Animal lover, engineer, woman, humanist, dreamer.
12:37 PM on 01/30/2012
Well thank you ancestors for giving me my best friends :)
02:39 PM on 01/27/2012
I wonder if it was one of those dogosauruses they have on the Flintstones.

Tom Aaron
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01:42 AM on 01/26/2012
It must have been an ancestor to modern dogs... nearby they also found a fossilized frisbie, a pair of chewed up sandals, and what appears to be a woolly rinoceros flavored dog biscuit and a series of massive coprolites all over the cave.
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Phalanxman
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03:48 PM on 01/26/2012
Very funny. Fanned, faved. Keep it up. Keep it up.
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ZenSufi
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09:26 PM on 01/25/2012
Were these canines domesticated by Homo neanderthalensis, perhaps?
02:04 AM on 01/26/2012
No... he would have probably kept a "Meriones unguiculatus."
06:15 PM on 01/25/2012
Is that in dog years or people years?
04:54 PM on 01/25/2012
fetch the bone boy...fetch it....wait?
dancingbones
Teach, lead by example, example, exampl
12:38 PM on 01/25/2012
Man did not domesticate dogs. Wolves domesticated man, and evolved into dogs in the process.
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wst
10:10 AM on 01/26/2012
i disagree with this statement completly. i am clearly the master in the hou....oh wait , i need to go pick up my dog some chew toy's. she's out. back in a min...
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04:20 AM on 01/25/2012
Anyone who is interested in how dogs were domesticated might like to check out how foxes were domesticated in Russia.

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2010/09/06/mans-new-best-friend-a-forgotten-russian-experiment-in-fox-domestication/

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox

sibfox.com/
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07:11 AM on 01/25/2012
Saw one on the streets of Dublin some years ago now. (Had to be kept on a leash though)
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Jim Milks
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10:02 AM on 01/25/2012
The March 2011 National Geographic also had an excellent article on the Russian foxes:

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2011/03/taming-wild-animals/ratliff-text
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tootsie1
01:29 AM on 01/25/2012
The dogs would follow man home after a hunt and hang out waiting for a morsel...the dog would also bark at night when something would come around the cave and for the first time man & family could get a good night sleep...
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Rich Cash
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01:54 AM on 01/25/2012
Yeah, I saw that documentary too. Interesting stuff.
12:46 AM on 01/25/2012
Having lived in Korea for a number of years, all I can say is ... yum?
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Rich Cash
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02:01 AM on 01/25/2012
I lived in the Philippines for more than 8 years. Aso adobo ("aso" meaning "dog") is a popular dish in some Philippine provinces, particularly Pampanga where Clark Air Base was located. I tried to eat some aso adobo many times, but I could never get drunk enough to do it...lol. My Chief who was Filipino-American occasionally brought some to work for lunch, and I called him a friggin cannibal to his face. Probably didn't help with my performance reviews...lol.
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Phalanxman
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03:51 PM on 01/26/2012
Many of us who love dogs and would never dream of making Fido a food source are usually abhored by the culinary practices of other cultures in which canines are routinely consumed. It may well be that part of the very early relationship between Humans and canines involved a realization on the part of Humans that the dogs could also serve as a food source, in addition to providing protection and companionship. Yes, that's kind of brutal, but our ancestors were, in fact, pretty brutal.
01:55 AM on 01/27/2012
He was rude, thoughtless and not respectful of other's cultures. He knew better.
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doriath22
Born-again Jacobin. Robespierre had the right idea
12:19 PM on 01/26/2012
Also many of our First Nation tribes......
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ruckas356
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08:42 PM on 01/24/2012
"The dogs are not necessarily providing products or meat. They are probably providing protection, companionship and perhaps helping on the hunt"


no ish sherlock lol
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DXM
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05:17 PM on 01/24/2012
"This is likely because the Siberian skull predates the last great ice age, which occurred between 26,000 and 19,000 years ago."

Not to get too pedantic but the last ice age ran from ~110,000 to ~10,000 years ago. The worst of it when the glaciers expanded to cover huge areas of North America and Europe occurred during the quoted time period. Still, this is fascinating work and it would be interesting if it was possible to perform DNA analysis to see how these ancient dogs relate to each other as well as modern dogs and their relatives.
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Murphdogg
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06:27 PM on 01/24/2012
Not to get even more pedantic but we are technically in an interglacial period of an ice age at the moment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age
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DoTheMath52
01:59 AM on 01/25/2012
82 degrees in central Florida today!
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07:08 AM on 01/25/2012
Well pedantically I’d prefer to refer to it as the Interglacial Holocene, even though technically Holocene refers to any interglacial period.
04:33 PM on 01/24/2012
How interesting! I wrote a comment indicating the opening statement was incorrect, and it is still under review! My Master's thesis was on the Origin of Dogs.
04:18 PM on 01/24/2012
Rebecca, the opening sentence is inaccurate. We did not raise early dogs. The changes in dogs most likely began with wolves associating with humans, not with humans picking a "cute" puppy and bringing it home and raising it that long ago. Pet keeping as we know it is a relatively modern human habit, and dogs as companions and friends are relatively modern, meaning less than 15,000 years. What was associating with us that long ago, was a relatively dangerous animal. .
Association with humans, and eating the remains humans provide changes teeth structure from what is found in a natural diet.

Interestingly, these skulls are not offered as ancestors of dogs; it is an early canine learning the benefits of associating with another group of hunters, humans, that had a somewhat similar family structure. Socially and emotionally, humans are probably more closely related to dogs, than we are to our close genetic cousins, the apes.
07:28 PM on 01/24/2012
When did you write your Master's thesis? Part of the point of the article is that this discovery in Siberia (and the one in Belgium) is pushing back our theoretical timelines for the beginning of canine domestication, so it's possible that knowledge and scientific thinking on the topic is changing with the discovery of new evidence. True, the current consensus shouldn't change because of one or two pieces of alleged evidence, but how many new similiar discoveries will it take before such inaccuracies become the new orthodoxy?
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10:02 PM on 01/24/2012
The fact is ,every "new "discovery changes or potentially validate evidence or theories that exist AS WE KNOW it to exist...so I completely agree with you Ken
10:24 PM on 01/24/2012
The article is not supporting canine domestication at all, just association; there are not enough facts to support domestication; association can create the differences in snout and teeth. I received my Masters in 2008, and my doctorate in law in 1985, and am now working on a Masters in Geography. The two Masters are post retirement. Remember that the only fact for this theory are changes in snout and teeth. Nor did these lead to modern dogs as the article states. The terms are often used carelessly, and there will be other researchers who disagree with the term "domestication" and would prefer association. Information on canine domestication is growing every year, particularly in DNA studies, and commonly there were will be disagreement with these conclusions. Everyone is free to do that. Scientific articles should always be closely analyzed and discussed. This article is free to read online at PLoS One, and has some respected researchers who are authors.
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dimitrius
Resurrecting Jeffersonian principals in the 21st
02:05 PM on 01/24/2012
Cavemen eh?

As if their were no advanced, intelligent human beings back then.

Societies rise and fall, great cycles come and go, and wash away with inevitable cataclysms where they are washed away in the oceans, and seas. Or swallowed up by the Earth, human beings have been here for MILLIONS of years. Even had technology that rivals our own, building structures that could never be conceived of today.

Yet we are at the maximum of human development. Right. And I am Santa Claus.
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Paul Weikel
03:03 PM on 01/24/2012
Santa I have been very good this year ( So Far) Please keep me in mind next Christmas.....
04:20 PM on 01/24/2012
"Humans" of millions of years ago? What evidence do you have of that. The oldest known creatures related to us are around 3 million years old, and do not look like us much. But they can stand upright. There is no evidence to support your statement.
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DXM
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05:08 PM on 01/24/2012
Actually the oldest members of our genus, Homo, found in the fossil record goes back about 2 million years although they did not have the same mental capacity as we did. The first anatomically modern humans show up only 200,000 years ago although there were plenty of more "primitive" species of humans probably about as smart as us going back a few hundred thousand years before that. Bipedalism (which is probably the one characteristic that sets our line apart from the other hominids) probably arose about 4 to 6 million years ago although they would have been more like bipedal chimpanzees than humans as we understand them today.
10:28 PM on 01/24/2012
LOL...well, I did say "related" to us, not that they were part of our genus. Ardipithecus and Lucy, the Australopithecine, were both bipedal, an important adaptation. Some suggest they are branches and unrelated to others, and not ancestors of ours, but the importance of the two is the ability to walk bipedally.

Some day we will know more!