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Mormon Church's Prior Baptism Of Dead Jews Could Raise Concerns For Florida Voters

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First Posted: 01/25/2012 2:30 pm Updated: 03/26/2012 5:12 am

Mitt Romney's problem with evangelical Christian voters has been well documented.

But as the Republican presidential nomination fight heats up in Florida, a Mormon rite that leaves many Jews seething could prove awkward for the candidate in a state that's home to more Jewish people than any other besides New York and California.

The religious rite is proxy baptism for the dead. According to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or Mormon Church, these posthumous "blessings" are intended to "save" ancestors and others who weren't baptized in life or were baptized "without proper authority."

A Mormon may propose the baptism of another person posthumously. Church members have performed the ritual on Buddha, Catholic popes, 9/11 hijackers, William Shakespeare, Joan of Arc, Elvis Presley, President Obama's mother and even reportedly Jesus Christ. In 2002, the managing director of the Mormon's family and church history department told The New Yorker magazine that as many as 200 million dead people had been baptized as Mormons.

The names of most were listed in microfilm records at the church's Family History Library in Salt Lake City and in 4,500 branch research centers. The Mormon Church has spent millions of dollars microfilming, indexing and cataloging vital records from everywhere to enable its mission. Its genealogical treasure trove of 2 billion documents, open to anyone with the patience to troll through it, is the largest in the world.

In 1994, an Israeli genealogist researching her family in the Mormons' computerized International Genealogical Index made a startling discovery. Her grandfather, a religiously observant Jew killed in the Holocaust, had been posthumously baptized as a Mormon. Distraught, she alerted other Jewish genealogists who soon learned that some 380,000 Holocaust victims, including Anne Frank, had been baptized. Plus, Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, David Ben-Gurion, Israel's first prime minister, and scientist Albert Einstein had received this treatment.

Negotiations between Mormon and Jewish leaders led to an agreement in 1995 to stop the posthumous baptism of all Jews, not just Holocaust victims, except in the case of direct ancestors of Mormons.

The church insists the deceased have "the right to choose" whether to accept Jesus Christ as their savior. But that hardly satisfied an outraged Jewish community. To them, the baptisms disparaged ancestors who were forced into ghettos, tortured in inquisitions, expelled from countries or murdered in pogroms and the Holocaust just because they were Jews.

"Baptizing is a very dirty word to many Jews," said Gary Mokotoff, a prominent Jewish genealogist who contacted church elders soon after the Israeli genealogist's discovery. "It reminds us of the persecution Jews had in the past where churches told Jews they had a choice: either convert to Christianity or be murdered."

"They tried to do something very difficult for Mormons to do, which was to stop the whole process of conversion," said Abraham Foxman, who lost 14 relatives in the Holocaust. As national director of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League, Foxman took part in the negotiations.

Still, Mokotoff told The Huffington Post, "overzealous Mormons" continued baptizing dead Jewish martyrs.

Renewed public outrage prompted more talks with Mormon leaders, who in 2010 agreed to a new, supposedly more ironclad pact that included changes to prevent inappropriate submissions of baptisms to the computer database records of Holocaust victims -- although not of all Jews. But Helen Radkey, an ex-Mormon whose research uncovered the continuation of Jewish baptisms that led to the second agreement, recently told Salt Lake City Weekly that violations of the pact continue.

Posthumous baptisms are among the practices that have made some voters squeamish about the prospect of a Mormon president.

In 2007, when Romney made his first run for the Republican nomination, NECN in Hartford, Conn., asked him about baptizing the dead. He said he is "not a cafeteria Mormon" and adheres to all tenets of his faith. But Romney, a former bishop and top church official in Boston, referred specific questions to religious leaders.

When Newsweek magazine asked Romney if he personally had performed posthumous baptisms on anyone, author Jonathan Darman wrote, "he looked slightly startled and answered, 'I have in my life, but I haven't recently.' The awareness of how odd this will sound to many Americans is what makes Romney hesitant to elaborate on the Mormon question."

There was no mention, and it is not known, whether the people that Romney personally baptized were Jewish.

Requests for comment by Romney campaign and the Mormon Church were not answered.

As a religious minority, Jews have been "somewhat more likely than Americans as a whole to say that a presidential candidate’s Mormon affiliation wouldn't make them less likely to support that candidate," said Kenneth Wald, a University of Florida political scientist who studies religion and elections. But, Wald added, other than the small minority of Orthodox Jews who lean Republican, most American Jews have "some concerns about what they perceive as the theopolitical nature of Mormonism." A recent Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life report stated, "Mormons are more conservative than the general public on a variety of political, social and moral issues."

Wald, whose grandparents died in the Holocaust, said, "Jews are understandably angered when another religious faith denies the legitimacy of Judaism by attempting conversion — and that is precisely what these retroactive baptisms do."

Mokotoff, the genealogist who credits the Mormon database for helping him trace his ancestors back to a small Polish village in 1727, said the controversy should be kept separate from the 2012 election. "Romney should be judged on his political views and political past," he said, "and not on the views of the president of his church."

But if Romney's rivals want to use the issue of proxy baptisms against him, they will do it "quietly under the radar lest Jews find themselves portrayed as intolerant toward a religious minority," Wald said.

Foxman doubts the issue will affect the outcome, "but everything is fair in politics so somebody's going to use it."

CORRECTION: While this article originally stated, "Any Mormon may baptize any person posthumously," it has been corrected as follows: "A Mormon may propose the baptism of another person posthumously."

CLARIFICATION: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints explains the practice of proxy baptisms as follows: "Because all who have lived on the earth have not had the opportunity to be baptized by proper authority during life on earth, baptisms may be performed by proxy, meaning a living person may be baptized in behalf of a deceased person. Baptisms for the dead are performed by Church members in temples throughout the world. People have occasionally wondered if the mortal remains of the deceased are somehow disturbed in this process; they are not. The person acting as a proxy uses only the name of the deceased. To prevent duplication the Church keeps a record of the deceased persons who have been baptized."

As a BBC article explains, "Such baptisms can only be performed in special fonts in Mormon Temples."

"Women act as proxies for women and men for men. There are witnesses present and a proper record is kept, although the ceremony does not make the person for whom the baptism is performed a Mormon."


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Mitt Romney's problem with evangelical Christian voters has been well documented. But as the Republican presidential nomination fight heats up in Florida, a Mormon rite that leaves many Jews seeth...
Mitt Romney's problem with evangelical Christian voters has been well documented. But as the Republican presidential nomination fight heats up in Florida, a Mormon rite that leaves many Jews seeth...
 
 
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12:17 PM on 02/19/2012
Particularly concerning given that most Florida voters have one foot in the grave anyway and are therefore in serious jeopardy of being posthumously "baptized" by a 12-year-old Mormon stand in.
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PortlandZoo
Wait... what?
02:25 PM on 02/17/2012
the American city with the highest consumption of anti-depressants is Salt Lake City. just sayin...
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YeahIThoughtSo
I thought we were all in this together.....
02:22 PM on 02/17/2012
Is there a clause people can put in their wills, eg. "In the event of my death, I do not want, under any circumstances, to be baptized into the Mormon Church"?

Are there any other religions we need to protect ourselves from becoming members of after death?
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Jessica Ann Stallings
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09:59 PM on 02/21/2012
That's going in MY will, along with my wishes to be cremated (a la funeral pyre, maybe?).

What I'd REALLY like to know is if the church can take requests for posthumous baptisms, can they take requests to NOT baptize someone? (IE, "Dear Mormons, please don't baptize me after I die. Please.")

It's too late for my husband--his mom had him baptized in the LDS church when he was four. He was appalled when she told him the certificate.
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Steven Watson
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03:15 PM on 02/22/2012
Assuming he is still living, then he shouldn't have been posthumously baptized at 4. And the LDS church does not baptise children until they are 8. I don't know of any exceptions. I can't speak for any of the LDS offshoots (RLDS, FLDS, etc.)
I'm not saying your mother-in-law didn't have him baptized LDS, just saying I find it hard to believe it was done when he was four.

Even if you do get the church to approve some sort of "Do Not Baptisze" list, good luck with some of our more over-zelous members. It should be obvious that some of them don't listen, even if they do have the best intent.
08:08 AM on 02/17/2012
Like the "Do Not Call" list and the "No Fly" list, there should be a "Don't Baptise" list.
05:42 AM on 02/16/2012
TOTAL GROSS IGNORANCE!!! continued...

The New Testament states: "Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of His resurrection" Romans 6:3-5 Clearly Paul the apostle is not talking about water baptism. He is referencing the transformational change which occurs when we have been baptized in the blood of the Lamb of God, Messiah Yeshua (Jesus Christ).

The apostle Paul is stating in his letter (epistle) to the Corinthian church that the 'dead' in 1 Cor.15:29 are those who are lost. Believers are baptized for the dead in the sense that as disciples of the Master, we can only know Messiah (Greek term: Christ) through His death and resurrection power. We can now minister to the dead among us - that is to say, lost souls who need to hear the gospel (good news that Messiah atoned for sin). As Yeshua said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." John 5:25
05:40 AM on 02/16/2012
TOTAL GROSS IGNORANCE!!! continued...
There are two words which describe baptism in Greek: baptĂ´ and baptizĂ´ both mean to 'immerse' but there is a significant difference that the majority of Christians don't realize. The Greek poet Nicander described this difference in a recipe for pickles (I am NOT kidding!). The cucumber is first dipped (bapto) in boiling water & then immersed (baptizo) in a vinegar solution. The first washes the cucumber but the second causes a permanent change in the vegetable. It is now a pickle.

In Christianity, many are baptized in water - which describes what John the Baptist was doing. It was a ceremonial washing. But genuine believers are baptized spiritually in Christ's atoning death by His blood. Their lives are no longer their own. They have been blood bought or redeemed by the atonement of Messiah. These individuals have the law of God written upon the fleshly tables of the a new heart and have been born again (birthed from above). The prophet Ezekiel said, "A new heart also will I give you & a new spirit will I put within you: I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh & I will give you an heart of flesh. I will put my spirit within you & cause you to walk in my statutes & ye shall keep my judgments & do them. You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers & ye shall be my people & I will
09:14 PM on 02/15/2012
What would be more interesting to read about would be what the Muslims think about the Mormons having baptized the "prophet" Muhammad ibn Abdullah? (because they have) and not only baptizing him in their temples but also performing their Endowment, which is the first three levels of Freemasonry, vicariously for "Muhammad ibn Abdullah who is dead"? Also if the Mormon ceremonies work, then in Mormon heaven Muhammad is way below Joe Smith and Joe Smith and Brigham Young can "re-assign" any Muslim's 77 doe eyed virgins to themselves or their own buddies. So if it works heaven is no longer that spectacular for them jihadists. Discuss. (ha ha aha I crack myself up)
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05:46 PM on 02/14/2012
Romney is a devout Mormon, that why he tithes 10% of his income, hence the millions he gave to the Mormon Church. That follows that until the "revelation" from God to the president of the Mormon church in the 70's, he believed African Americans were an inferior race and bore the mark of Cain. As a devout Mormon, he believes the Planet Kolob is nearest the Throne of God, and wearing garments protect you. He knows his wife's celestial name so he can call her in heaven, but she doesn't know his, so she can't call him. Since he is opposed to alcohol, coffee and tea, will he allow it to be served in the White House if elected? I don't see anything wrong with understanding the person who would be president, but as a non Mormon growing up in Utah, I can understand why Romney doesn't want to discuss his religion.
02:46 PM on 02/10/2012
I defer you to the doctrines on LDS.org where you may find the answers to any questions you may have regarding the faith. BTW, another correction to this article, Jesus was baptized by John The Baptist and has not been baptized in proxy through the baptisms for the dead in the LDS faith. Please don't turn this political race into a witch hunt based on not knowing the facts of the LDS faith. Additionally, this political race should be based on the true character of the candidate. That Romney lives his religion and is open about that is something that should be a good character trait. By no means is he perfect because he is human like the rest of us. However, the things that I have read in the media and the forums do not tell the truth about the faith of the LDS people and really are negative. If other religions were challenged in this way, you may find that you are defending yourself and your own lifestyle. Please choose respect when making comments based on that thought. Thank you so much.
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02:50 PM on 02/04/2012
The long standing LDS policy- The First Presidency­: "Persons submitting names for other than direct ancestors [should] have obtained approval from the closest living relative of the deceased before submitting records...­"

Some people either unknowingly or intentiona­lly submitted Jewish, Catholic etc. names, maybe thinking they were doing a loving thing, maybe they were antagonistic towards LDS and wished to create problems. These people went against the counsel of Church leaders. My Church teaches people correct principles and let's them act for themselves­, they do not seek to control anyone, but they have opened their records and worked together with many in the Jewish community to find out how it happened and stop it.

Jewish names have been removed etc.

Here is another quote from FAIR:
"Those of the Jewish faith are to be commended for the spirit of dialogue and cooperatio­n in which they have approached this matter, and their willingnes­s to work with the Church to solve it."
"There have also been some moving expression­s of friendship between Mormons and Jews; some Jewish authors have pointed out that...Mor­mon-Jewish relations have always been excellent.­[3]
Endnotes
Jerusalem Post, "Jews and Mormons tackle 'proxy baptism' controvers­y," jpost.com (accessed 2 June 2006).
Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, "The Mormons are Jews' brothers,"

For those seeking to understand others, please see more on Baptisms for Dead (Christians practiced for 400 years) and Catholic etc rites, indulgences, purgatory, etc, in my comments below.
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Bob Kellerman
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06:40 PM on 02/04/2012
Maybe it's OK to cause so many suicides of Gay and other kids who are different

.... then you can baptise them
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peacedude
02:30 AM on 02/05/2012
Suicide is a tragedy, and blaming them on Mormons for political gain may encourage them.
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peacedude
03:31 AM on 02/05/2012
Hi Bob, it seems you need someone to hate, and I want you to know I'm still here for you : ) hate me all you want. I love you!!!!! (But please don't promote violent hatred against my family and my minority group because of our religion....that would be wrong and evil....I'm sure a guy with 582 fans wouldn't do that, would he???? Unless you are one of those activists, assigned to the Post? Naaaaaaaa, not Bob. ; ) ) That's those other activists.... right? The mean ones, that I quoted below.
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12:20 PM on 02/15/2012
Indulgence­s and purgatory are addressed towards Catholics who have passed, not to other faiths, like your baptism practice. Stop the spin and obfuscation and just stop this idiotic practice.
03:43 AM on 02/03/2012
Look at how shady Romney is about his religion - ask anyone else of another faith and they're happy to share their rituals, yet Romney is very cagey - why won't he answer the question? Why does he insist that you have to go ask the Church? What is he trying to hide? Mormons are no more Christians than Muslims are Christians - Just because Christ appears in your teachings doesn't make you Christians. The Bible says beware of false prophets - end of story. Then along comes this Jospeh Smith guy... So obvious. Mitt tried to say that he was an immigrant because his granddad was born in Mexico - his granddad was born in Mexico because he was running from the law for being a polygamist! It's fine to disagree with Obama, but don't settle for this.
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peacedude
05:34 AM on 02/03/2012
Hmmm, I'm not sure, do you dislike him for his religion, or politics? ; ) It's ok.

The mysteries have always been "hidden" since the foundation of the world. They were practiced by early Christians, even at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher (and Bishop Cyril also instructed early Christians there not to discuss them) and these passion plays are still practiced by many non-LDS Christians today (especially in the oldest Christian Churches, Armenian etc)

The Muslim God is the "one one" the "God without companion." The Mormon Jesus is the Biblical Jesus. He's the Head of our Church. we should beware of false prophets, but they said this while real prophets were still on earth. They also said that apostles were given til we come to a perfect man etc, until the end.
Then along comes this Peter guy, or John guy, or Paul guy...... : )

I planned to vote for Obama, but the left is so bigoted, just read below this.... see what I mean...and Santorum's pastor says homophobia is healthy.... and he thinks Mitt is in a cult because Mitt isn't homophobic.... crazy world we live in. Crazy crazy,...
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Bob Kellerman
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02:24 AM on 02/04/2012
Dad born in Mexico to parents born in American territories or USA. Great grandparents on both sides fled to avoid prison for polygamy

Aint it rich that people who were persecuted as a sexual minority now cause hundreds of millions to be spent fighting the freedoms of a sexual minority?

Dead Gay kids do not matter as much as keeping Smith's prosperity scheme going
--- for most mormons, it works
--- the ones who, by nature, rebel or question are treated like we, here, who question mormon policy
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peacedude
03:35 AM on 02/05/2012
Oh, wait, now I'm starting to recognize some of your verbiage......you would do that wouldn't you....perhaps only on tribhate though, where they only censor Mormons....
Have you recognized me yet? ; )
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peacedude
03:49 PM on 02/02/2012
Hundreds of millions of good Christians believe the Dead are helped out of Purgatory etc by prayers and indulgence¬s for the dead (for some few “indulgenc¬es” once meant buying the dead out of suffering)¬.

LDS agree that prayer is beneficial¬, but we do not believe God judges us, or inflicts or removes pain based on the actions of others. Baptisms, indulgence¬s, etc, of others don’t change us, our attitudes, our faith etc. They do not force anyone out or into anything. We are free.

However, our mutual loving Father did send His Son also for those in the Spirit World. For it isn’t in this life only that we have hope in the Messiah. ALL who wish will be given opportunit¬y to hear, and to accept or reject the glad tidings. All those accepting will have faith, and must be buried with Him according to the commandmen¬t, and be ordained, etc to enter the highest states of being, or Heaven. LDS don’t know who will accept, but we enjoy going up to the Temple (as early Christians and Jews did) and entering the waters (the womb/primo¬rdial (brazen) sea) on behalf of those we love, and WITH them in spirit.

(for preaching in Spirit world see 1Pet. 4:6&3:19; 1Cor. 15:19&29 (Baptism for Dead); Rom 14:9; John 5:25, etc)

This merciful omniscient God is the God I know. He is real, and all are alike unto Him, both Jew and Gentile. His plan is wonderful and inclusive.
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KaAp
04:20 PM on 02/02/2012
What you do not seem to understand is that we do not want it and you made an agreement with us that was mediated in 1995 ... you went back on your word and made a new agreement not to do this ... it is filled with hubris a.nt.i.semitism and is sanctimonious beyond contempt when you say you are not going to do something and then continue to do it. So, you are not to be trusted.
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Bob Kellerman
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05:29 PM on 02/02/2012
Notice that we keep talking to walls -- and the walls make US wrong, since that is all they have been taught.

It is MONTHS since I have found comments on HP which seem to be from relatively worldy, decent mormons
--- it's the droolers sitting in caves, only wearing their mormon underwear, trying to get mormon brownie points that pop out the paranoid drivel like the two by pusdude

FREEDOM ALWAYS WINS IN THE END

AND MORMONS DESERVE IT "IN THE END" FOR BLOCKING OTHERS' FREEDOMS, WHILE CRYING THAT THEY ARE PERSECUTED

HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW MORMONS OUTSIDE OF UTAH, ETC, CAN WALK DOWN THE STREET WITHOUT HIDING THEIR FACES
--- WHEN "PUSDUDE" IS WHO THEY SEND TO DEFEND THEMSELVES
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peacedude
02:49 AM on 02/03/2012
KaAp, I'm pretty sure you've had several opportunities to understand more on this. If you really want to understand others you should check FAIR lds where they tell what really happened.
And, I didn't go back on my word, and you were never baptized.

My Church's policy- The First Presidency: "Persons submitting names for other than direct ancestors [should] have obtained approval from the closest living relative of the deceased before submitting records..."
Some people either unknowingly or intentionally submitted Jewish, Catholic etc. names, thinking they were doing a loving thing. These people went against the counsel of Church leaders. My Church teaches people correct principles and let's them act for themselves, they do not seek to control anyone, but they have opened their records and worked together with many in the Jewish community to stop this. Jewish names have been removed etc.

Here is another quote from the FAIR article that you might not have read:
"Those of the Jewish faith are to be commended for the spirit of dialogue and cooperation in which they have approached this matter, and their willingness to work with the Church to solve it."
"There have also been some moving expressions of friendship between Mormons and Jews; some Jewish authors have pointed out that...Mormon-Jewish relations have always been excellent.[3]
Endnotes
Jerusalem Post, "Jews and Mormons tackle 'proxy baptism' controversy," jpost.com (accessed 2 June 2006).
Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, "The Mormons are Jews' brothers,"
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peacedude
03:48 PM on 02/02/2012
From my experience extreme activists are much more hateful towards Mormons than Mormons are toward anyone. LDS are repeatedly reminded to be compassion¬ate towards gays, and extreme activists are seeking to destroy Mormons, write mocking musicals and so on.
So, a friendly tip. (Just in case you are one of those extreme activists assigned to “destroy “ Mormons and “drive us into the ground” (these aren’t your normal gays, some are trained by leading anti-Mormo¬ns in LA, (including Canadian Bob who may not care what happens to America), and, while some hate for free, others are perhaps paid to stay on the internet and dishonestl¬y and maliciousl¬y defame members of Christ’s Church all day because, although 70% of Blacks and others voted for prop 08, the initial activist smear in the Black direction wasn’t really working out so extreme activists found a less popular minority group to "go after" for America’s conscience¬….: ) just sayin it like it is, please don’t be offended if it doesn’t apply to you : ) : )
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KaAp
04:21 PM on 02/02/2012
So you are saying you are not to be trusted and you cannot keep your agreements.
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Bob Kellerman
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05:21 PM on 02/02/2012
THIS IS A DUPLICATE OF YESTERDAY'S FANTASY POST

-- WITH NO RECOGNITION THAT YOU M_I_G_H_T B_E W_R_O_N_G

You are so deluded that you not only dont realize that the musical HELPS your cause, because it mainstreams your group

AS FOR "EXTREME ACTIVISTS ASSIGNED TO 'DESTROY'

--- wonder who has the money for that, the Gays or the mormons?????

ALL THE COMMENTS HERE THAT UNDERMINE MORMONS
ARE THOSE MADE BY MORMONS
AS THEY ARE SO FAR OUT INTO SPACE,
ORBITING KOLUB, AFTER THEY LEAVE URANUS
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peacedude
03:28 AM on 02/03/2012
Again,most haters can justify their hate somehow. But, for those with ears to hear, examine the things gays have done to LDS, and compare that to LDS statements and calls for civility and love. I have gay family members, they love the LDS Church. Salt Lake City has a large gay community, who are not hated by the LDS Church.

But, as I said, when prop 08 first passed activists were on CNN saying Blacks shouldn’t have Brown vs. Board etc, because about 70% of Blacks voted for it. This didn’t go over well, so activists singled out a less popular, much hated religious minority and said they were going to "destroy the Utah brand."

They wrote mocking musicals, TV programs, misleading and anti-Mormon movies, were trained by leading anti-Mormons to go after tax status, etc. Someone sent imitation anthrax to aged LDS Temple workers (this would be an act of terror if done to others, but activists call it a “prank”), Temples and Churches were vandalized¬, had rocks thrown with notes about 08, windows were shot out etc (see Deseret News).
They organized a media blitz, and attack Mormons in comments all day. These say “We don’t hate Mormons but are simply disagreeing.”
Here are some of the comments they made to me, some of them perhaps by you Bob.
I plead with Huffington to post these because I feel it is important to let people know what is going on.
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peacedude
03:35 AM on 02/03/2012
Again, I ask Huffington to please post these comments, I think it is crucial that we let Mormons also have a voice, and tell the truth about what is going on in America today.

continued from comment (above?)

After prop 8 passed, a list of Mormons donating was posted on the internet. Several of those were fired from their jobs for their religious views about marriage. This is illegal, but this is really happening in America, over an issue Voted upon by the People.
This first comment included a quote about that:

"LDS here have lost…jobs [had] our businesses boycotted, received harassing calls at home and at work as a result… "
[Good] We are going to go after your church every day... I would delight if [those voting for 08) ended up unemployed¬, penniless and starving on the street…Boycott all Mormon businesses¬. Drive them into the ground and let them know what we'll do….”

This activist quotes the extermination order and gives his/her support:

""...Lilburn W. Boggs, signed an order calling for the extermination or expulsion of Mormons from the State of Missouri"
"Your orders are, therefore, to hasten your operation with all possible speed. The Mormons must be treated as enemies, and must be exterminated or driven from the state if necessary...."
"If you can increase your force, you are authorized to do so to any extent you may consider necessary." cha CHING!"" Pg 5

continued....
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02:24 PM on 02/02/2012
IMAGINE.
01:38 PM on 02/02/2012
Here's some news that might clear this whole mess up a little: baptism doesn't DO anything. There. Problem solved.
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valkygrrl
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05:42 AM on 02/03/2012
First reply got censored must have a mormon mod on duty.

giving the middle finger doesn't DO anything but people have every right to take offense and ask that it be stopped. When you respect other people you don't do things like that.

This is unlike say same-sex couples who are just trying to get the laws to treat them the same while doing something mormons don't like but not involving them in any kind of personal way.

See how it works? Mormons don't like it, they use force. We don't like it, we ask them to quit being jerks to our ancestors.

If they don't care, which it seems clear that they don't, that they're being offensive then that's their choice. But don't pretend they're doing anything but giving a big middle finger to Jews everywhere.
10:20 AM on 02/03/2012
So a trivi­al ritual which does absolutely nothing and their name in some l­ooney database is like giving them the fing­er? You seriously must have nothing else to do.