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Politifact Backtracks After Fact Check Wreck

Obama Sotu

First Posted: 01/25/2012 5:23 pm Updated: 01/26/2012 8:32 am

In the continuing annals of Politifact oddness, it seems that during the initial truth-squadding of last night's State Of The Union address, the fact-checking organization took issue with a section of the speech that, frankly, would have been otherwise forgettable. The section dealt specifically with job growth during the Obama administration. The salient point from Politifact's original ruling read as follows:

In his remarks, Obama described the damage to the economy, including losing millions of jobs "before our policies were in full effect." Then he describe [sic!] the subsequent job increases, essentially taking credit for the job growth. But labor economists tell us that no mayor or governor or president deserves all the claim or all the credit for changes in employment.
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Obama is correct on both counts when using private-sector job numbers. But he went too far when he implicitly credited his administration policies.

Matt Yglesias' response to this -- which was the first response I happened to encounter today, though there have been others -- raises the obvious objection, (along with a larger and more useful point Politifact missed):

Really? His exact words were "businesses have created more than 3 million jobs ... they created the most jobs since 2005." That doesn't sound like a president trying to say that he, personally, deserves credit for everything that's happened. Strangely they missed the real boat here, which is that the 3 million jobs created in 2011, through indeed the most since 2005, is actually a low number for an economy with a massive pool of idle labor that needs catch-up growth to regain full employment. What the president said was true, but just underscores the fact that the labor market has been ugly on both the downswing and the upswing.

Jared Bernstein also, understandably, got his dander up about this:

OMG ... this is beyond preposterous.

Politifact -- the self-anointed fact checkers -- grade this statement from the president speech tonight as "half-true:"

"In the last 22 months, businesses have created more than 3 million jobs. Last year, they created the most jobs since 2005."

This is not half true or two-thirds true. It is just true.

This brought Paul Krugman and Jonathan Bernstein into the fray, and all of the ref-working seems to have paid off -- somewhat! -- with an editor's note and grade correction on the original:

Our original Half True rating was based on an interpretation that Obama was crediting his policies for the jobs increase. But we've concluded that he was not making that linkage as strongly as we initially believed and have decided to change the ruling to Mostly True.

So, I am left to speculate how this sausage got made in the first place. Let's note that in the original post, Politifact took pains to track down the relevant data that underpinned the claim. For the bulk of the post, they seem authentically concerned with that data. And, on that score, we have this ruling: "Obama is correct on both counts when using private-sector job numbers." What Politifact seems to object to, literally, is that Obama included this statistic in the State Of The Union at all. That's where we get the second, more costly part of the ruling: "But he went too far when he implicitly credited his administration policies."

Here's where we fall in a strange hole. As critics of this post point out, Obama explicitly credited "businesses" for this job growth. But subjectively speaking, by including it in the State Of The Union, it was, indeed, implied that the Obama administration had something to do with it.

But so what? Not for the first time, I'll wonder: "Did Politifact only show up in Washington yesterday?" Because I can assure them that State Of The Union addresses are not known as a venue where a president undertakes a session of searing self-scrutiny. The entire point of these speeches is to frame the administrations' initiatives as success-breeding, in order to make the case for more initiatives, and -- of course -- make the case that the administration should be allowed to continue.

In this case, President Obama stacked up evidence to make a case for an improving economy and thus, his presidency. Not only is this not new to State of the Union addresses, it's not new to political argument in general. It seems to me that Politifact's downgrade is based in nothing more than an utterly banal truth about State Of The Union addresses. You can apply the same standard to all SOTU addresses, and just consider them all to be a little bit falser, if that standard is nothing more than "President X presented some explicitly true facts in order to imply his/her presidency has been a success." (As Yglesias points out, it's more useful in these instances to track down the facts that are omitted.)

Another possible explanation is simply that someone at Politifact was sitting at their computer last night, staring at a blank page, when they finally just shrugged and said, "Screw it, this is half-assed, but I've gotta post about something." Either way, what's been demonstrated in this instance is that Politifact can be criticized into adjusting their ruling. I'm not sure this is necessarily a good thing, frankly! But the bottom line is that this all could have been avoided had a smidge of circumspection been applied.

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In the continuing annals of Politifact oddness, it seems that during the initial truth-squadding of last night's State Of The Union address, the fact-checking organization took issue with a section of...
In the continuing annals of Politifact oddness, it seems that during the initial truth-squadding of last night's State Of The Union address, the fact-checking organization took issue with a section of...
 
 
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Mary Sue Mc Cormick
God..Family..Country Always
10:15 AM on 01/28/2012
Let me take a wild guess....Politifact will say next that every word Romney says is true, even when the 'facts' say otherwise! And that Newtie boy has really only been marrried once, since he is now catholic. That means his first two marriages didn't count as he was not a catholic when they occurred!
Say.....does Rupert Murdoch own PolitiFact, by chance? Because I smell a rat here, somewhere!
11:28 PM on 01/27/2012
Let me guess. PolitiFact is really run by FOX News.
05:02 PM on 01/27/2012
If over the last 22 months only 200,000 jobs had been created do you think anyone would cast blame on Obama? If you would blame him for the rain why are you so damn reluctant to credit him for the sunshine?
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Mary Sue Mc Cormick
God..Family..Country Always
10:20 AM on 01/28/2012
Proud to be your 1st fan! Faved, as well. They cannot credit him with the sunshine because then they would have to admit that he is an excellent President! None of them actually lived through 8 years of darkness that was Bush/Cheney! Now, THAT was a nightmare presidency...and I've lived through a few in my 65 years!
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Michael Lindley
American in Paris
01:49 AM on 01/27/2012
PolitiFact's too political. I use factcheck.org.
03:21 PM on 01/26/2012
There's already a fake "PolitiFacts" (note the "s" on the end) parody twitter account! bit.ly/xWNXem They are asking for people to submit "politifacts" for fact checking.
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Nosybear
Liar, damn liar, statistician and brewer
02:34 PM on 01/26/2012
Does Politifact crowdsource their facts? If so, they're susceptible to people pushing their own agendas. This sounds like someone from a campaign from the other side attempting to spin a point to the President's disadvantage. I'm not implying that Politifact is left- or right-leaning but if they're crowdsourcing, there are certainly members of the crowd who are.
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nanreh
01:21 PM on 01/26/2012
Why is the press and the GOP/ t bags keep denigrating the president for having allowed the private sector to save or create 3m jobs under his administration.............if we had allowed the GWB policies to continue we would have had a DEPRESSION........WHY IS THE PRESS NOT EMPHASIZING THAT 92% OF AMERICAN WORKERS STILL HAVE JOBS.........
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wizardwerdna
The truth is rather more interesting...
01:16 PM on 01/26/2012
It seems to me that the problem is politifact's statement of the thing that is fact checked. The quote they claimed to be checking was, ""In the last 22 months, businesses have created more than 3 million jobs. Last year, they created the most jobs since 2005." Which, of course it is true.

If they want to downgrade the statement, they should state they are checking, "Because of our policies, ..." in which case they might be on stronger ground. Of course, they don't do that, because he didn't say that.

And by the way, SOTU is not inherently a statement of the benefit or cost of policies, it is a constitutionally mandated obligation is: "He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient;"

So they really, really screwed this one up badly.
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Doug Watt
Not ready for 2012
08:29 PM on 01/26/2012
They sure did. The Lie of the Year was an outrage, but this labeling of unassailable facts as anything less than true strips away the last shreds of Politifact's credibility.
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12bcox
your guess is NOT as good as mine
01:16 PM on 01/26/2012
Politifact is no longer a relevant source for fact checking, next?
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Ember Firedog
A satiated micro-bio is not empty.
02:11 PM on 01/26/2012
PolitiTank is more like it.
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Schalaine
We are women. We vote.
02:49 PM on 01/29/2012
Certainly not for me.
12:42 PM on 01/26/2012
Also true according to the irs = 36 executive staff emplyees of 'pay your fair share' pres - have not paid thier taxes at all and owe collecitvely over $800,000
12:35 PM on 01/26/2012
The Tampa Bay Times (formerly the St. Petersburg Times) and owner of Politifact has endorsed Mitt Romney. What more needs to be said?
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wizardwerdna
The truth is rather more interesting...
01:19 PM on 01/26/2012
The paper's editorial staff is left-leaning. They endorse candidates in primaries, choosing from the candidates running on the GOP -- they aren't likely to find a Ted Kennedy among them. Romney, arguably, is the most reliably moderate candidate among them. Accordingly, more needs to be said.
03:35 PM on 02/03/2012
If they're truly non-partisan, why does Politifact get it wrong on the facts -- or, ignore the facts and apply their own conclusions that appear to be for public consumption?
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IcedTee63
This train of thought have a caboose?
12:29 PM on 01/26/2012
Shouldn't the ability to understand english be one of the requirements for working at Politifacts?
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Ember Firedog
A satiated micro-bio is not empty.
02:14 PM on 01/26/2012
It might be a bit of an impediment in their line of work ........
12:16 PM on 01/26/2012
This author really like exclamation points!
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Bogey907
Overfed, long-haired, leaping gnome
01:02 PM on 01/26/2012
Yes!!!!
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Joe H Woods Menefee
12:11 PM on 01/26/2012
With folks complaining and lying about his Presidency since he took office, do you really think Obama statements wouldn't be a fact?
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Ember Firedog
A satiated micro-bio is not empty.
02:15 PM on 01/26/2012
_Rethugs_and_baggers consider_Lies as the new standard against which _Truth is measured.
12:02 PM on 01/26/2012
If a President gets the blame for job losses then they should get to take the credit for job gains.
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Murman
I read the news today, oh boy.
12:37 PM on 01/26/2012
so right. What's more, he has to take blame for almost everything done before he even stepped in the ring, not just jobs.
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Mary Sue Mc Cormick
God..Family..Country Always
10:45 AM on 01/28/2012
He would get credit, IF he was a republican President. Since he is a Democratic President, they blame him for just about everything....from starting WWII to NOT being able to walk on water!
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Robert SF
08:06 AM on 01/29/2012
If Obama walked on water, the Republicans would say he can't swim.