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Obama State Of The Union Speech: Labor Leaders And Economists Unimpressed With Jobs Proposals

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First Posted: 01/25/2012 1:17 am Updated: 01/25/2012 1:47 am

President Obama's emphasis on creating manufacturing jobs in his State of the Union address on Tuesday sounded just right to union leaders.

But even these most ardent supporters expressed doubts that his proposals would do much to alleviate unemployment, agreeing with economists and business leaders contacted by The Huffington Post Tuesday night that the speech offered little that would move the needle in the jobs market.

"If you do exactly what he's asking for, it would make almost no difference," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

In December the unemployment rate fell to 8.5 percent and many economists expressed hope that the nation was beginning to emerge from its jobs crisis. Economists and business and labor leaders said after the speech, however, that the president's proposals would not have a real impact on the jobless rate. For some, his proposals were just a reminder of how ineffectual the president's jobs plans have been through the Great Recession and nascent recovery.

In contrast to what Obama said in his speech, Baker said, lower taxes abroad are not the reason why jobs are going overseas. China's cheap currency has played a much more important role in bringing manufacturing jobs to East Asia. Commenting on Obama's suggestion that cracking down on piracy in China would play a major role in creating jobs in the United States, Baker said, "It's kind of a joke."

Baker was skeptical of Obama's claim that higher-paying, high-skill manufacturing jobs are bountiful in the United States and just waiting for Americans to be trained for them, he added. The fact that new manufacturing jobs generally do not pay better than the old ones is proof that not many such jobs are available, he said.

"I also hear from many business leaders who want to hire in the United States but can't find workers with the right skills," Obama had stated in his speech. The president stressed the importance of a rebound in manufacturing jobs to the future of the U.S. economy and asserted that the manufacturing industry is on the upswing.

Yet, many of the new jobs don't pay the old middle-class wages: While auto workers once earned a basic wage starting at about $28 an hour, new hires now start at wages at about half that amount.

"The lines on manufacturing are silly," Baker wrote in an email critiquing Obama's speech. "Jobs in the sector are barely increasing (125,000 over the last year)." Added Baker: "This is not much to boast about, we are down by 2 million manufacturing jobs since the recession began."

Kevin L. Kearns, president of the Business and Industry Council, agreed that Obama's specific proposals would have too small of an impact. He also pointed to a need for reform of China's currency policy. If the president pushed for that, it would be a far stronger move, Kearns said, than "saying, 'I saved 1,000 jobs in the tire industry by imposing the tariffs on pirated Chinese tires.'"

And as far as Obama's proposals for re-educating the workforce, Kearns said, "The best retraining program is called a job."

Union leaders were the most upbeat about Tuesday night's speech. Damon Silvers, policy director at the AFL-CIO, said the speech exceeded his expectations. "His rhetoric was spot-on, and it described the real scale of the country's needs," he said.

But Silvers acknowledged that Obama's specific policy proposals amounted to either policies that Obama could pursue without Congress' cooperation or ones that would make obstructionist Republican lawmakers look "really extreme, because they are."

"We would like to see the rhetoric more fully fleshed out," Silvers said. "But it's understandable given that it's clear that this Congress this year will not act in the national interest."

Ultimately, Silvers said, the economy needs a $4 trillion public investment program over 10 years -- with investments focused on education and infrastructure -- to make the economy competitive enough to support a strong middle class in the long run. While Obama's speech did not outline such a large-scale project, it did highlight the scale of the country's problems, he said.

"It's about a choice as to whether we're going to invest in people or are going to continue to grow the 1 percent in this country," said Mary Kay Henry, president of the Service Employees International Union. "We have to insist on responsibility from everyone."

Congressional Republicans are currently blocking Obama's $450 billion jobs bill, the American Jobs Act, which economists estimate would create from 1 million to 2 million new jobs. The bill includes more than $250 billion in tax incentives for small businesses and employers, along with a plan for infrastructure spending, state spending, unemployment insurance and neighborhood rehabilitation.

"Getting the American Jobs Act is really the most critical thing right now," said John Arensmeyer, chief executive of Small Business Majority, a small business advocacy organization.

Though U.S. economic growth has started to gain momentum, even at this pace it would take until 2019 for the economy to get back to full, pre-recession employment, economists say.

In his speech, Obama stressed that the United States has created 3.2 million jobs in the last two years. But over that same period of time, the public sector lost half a million jobs and appears poised to continue shedding positions. When population growth is accounted for, the jobs deficit left over from 2008 and 2009 is still well over 10 million jobs.

Lila Shapiro contributed research.

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President Obama's emphasis on creating manufacturing jobs in his State of the Union address on Tuesday sounded just right to union leaders. But even these most ardent supporters expressed doubts t...
President Obama's emphasis on creating manufacturing jobs in his State of the Union address on Tuesday sounded just right to union leaders. But even these most ardent supporters expressed doubts t...
 
 
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olerealist
retired trial attorney; former member of VA abd Wa
01:49 PM on 01/27/2012
IN RE Bonnie Kavoussi article 1/27/12

“BAKER” -- “SILVERS” each of them sound like their heart may be ok but they also sound like their brains somewhere off the planet. “Spend 4 trillion dollars on job over the next decade” Maybe with Monopoly play money??

They each hold that the President’s job’s programs and plans are way to timid to be relevant to whatever extent they were detailed, which is not much. They appear oblivious to the fact the for the present year, the Repub’s effectively control BOTH Houses of Congress as far as the enactment of anything new is concerned. No jobs proposal is going to get the required 60 votes in the Senate. And we have a Tea Party House. This fact is so obvious that I hate to use up ink to even mention it.

Accordingly, what does it gain the President to get into a lot of details which however ingenious are going NOWHERE. It would only give the Repub’s something to shoot at.
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nos2001
07:17 AM on 01/27/2012
finally he has all the answers to the failures so far?
07:49 PM on 01/26/2012
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...............Wake me up in November.
03:33 PM on 01/26/2012
#Dennisrf I did put some thought in to the whole what our educational institutions are turning out and what the job market really needs, and it seems we have a deficiency in graduates who major in science and math and engineering. I went to interview at a very well know technology company in Cupertino Calif, and I was surprised to see how many engineers were of Asian origin not born in the it seems we are lacking the passion for building and designing things in favor of easy stuff like "English" and "Art Majors"
I have friends who have degrees in those field who are either waiting on tables still, or moved to something not on their major.
To the idea that a corporation should bend over backward to train someone from the ground up, its simply not realistic. the training should come in the form of internships, and from our community colleges who should be offering practical training in partnership with local businesses.

Also, you can graduate with a business degree in media and marketing for example but to find those jobs you need to move to one of the 3 biggest cities where those jobs are concentrated. (LA, NY, Chicago) A degree in any of those fields could not help you find a job in Greenville NC, am sure there are some but not enough. People need to learn that sometimes you have to leave home to take advantage of the opportunities globally
02:49 PM on 01/26/2012
I tired of these pseudo economist saying the solution to our jobs problem is to "the President needs to get China to reform its currency policy". Outside of war, one sovereign nation can not get another sovereign nation to change its curency policy. Can we please stop with this pie in the sky idea. China's policy benefits China. Why would they change the policy to benefit us and hurt them. Any economist who suggests this is not living in the real world and should not be sought after for commentary on anything.
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
02:27 PM on 01/26/2012
I, for one, am not laughing.
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thefreetradejoke
01:54 PM on 01/26/2012
Sixty percent of economists still believe in neoliberalism. I hear cartoon voices when they speak.
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wxw101
livs (low information voters)
01:12 PM on 01/26/2012
Reality is not too impressed with this president either.
10:37 AM on 01/26/2012
The argument that the jobs crisis is largely the result of Americans lacking job skills is pretty worn out and ought to be discarded. Look at all the recent grads who can't find jobs and who are saddled with debt because they believed the old adage that an education is a ticket to a good job.

Some critics say "Ah, but so many of them have degrees in 'useless' majors like the humanities". Useless? We shouldn't confuse education with job training. If corporations want workers trained in arcane skills that are useful to corporations then corporations should provide that training.
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demilieu
Texas liberal...with reservations
02:28 PM on 01/26/2012
Yes, we already have the highest-educated minumum-wage workforce in the world!
11:47 PM on 01/26/2012
Take a look at the statistics again. Having a liberal arts degree does not guarantee a well paying job. Graduates in the fields where people are needed are not in minimum wage jobs. It is all relative.
04:42 AM on 01/26/2012
Proposals were more of wishlists. When jobs start to comeback to US soil, then I will believe the wishes are turning to gifts.
04:39 AM on 01/26/2012
It was amusing especially when Obama mentioned about limiting ownership of stocks. i heard silence. And I laughed. Hahahahaha.
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
07:40 AM on 01/26/2012
Limiting ownership of stocks? That was not said. I even went back to review it again.
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stevedavis
08:47 AM on 01/26/2012
Keep in mind that arguing with Republicans is like arguing with people who are suffering from their own particular versions of psychosis.
02:42 PM on 01/26/2012
He never said. You're a liar.
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lawyerfan
03:34 PM on 01/26/2012
I assume you are referring to the president's proposal that members of Congress be precluded from engaging in insider trading. That remark was a well deserved shot at those in Congress who become wealthy by taking advantage of information about stocks that isn't yet available to the average investor. Insider trading is already illegal, but that doesn't stop members of Congress from taking advantage of tips from lobbyists or influential constituents. The silence spoke louder than words.
04:30 PM on 01/26/2012
It was a very funny moment... True colors don't lie. Not a single one clapped nobody gave a standing.
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john649
03:42 AM on 01/26/2012
interesting in that after the SOTU Obama's rating just hiked up another 10 pts in the midst of all these complainers....looks like this speech reached its target audience.
01:33 PM on 01/26/2012
YUP, it SURE Did, More IDIOTS
03:43 PM on 01/26/2012
it is laughable that you guys can use the word idiots (and can even use the Shift key) when the party of ethics and family values has Newt carrying the banner. Then the party of the rich and capital gains is crucifying Mitt. I have not heard the first person from either side regret McCain/Palin not in the White House...that was a joke and looks like your candidates for 2012 will SNL skit material for some time. Abe and Teddy must be rolling in their graves...
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ThreeCanyons
Desert Dweller
06:30 PM on 01/26/2012
President Obama may not be perfect but there is absolutely no one on the other side who can do the job - Off-shore Romney - Unethical Newt - Super Christian Republic Man Santorum - or the Libertarian Grandaddy -- None of these guys have shown anything I'd bet the farm on.
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rebelwithoutpause
02:41 AM on 01/26/2012
I watched the speech. Obama is very boring. Instead he should have shouted 'Hope and Change' a few times to amuse the people. He used to say, 'Yes, We Can', now he is repeating like mantra, 'Why, We Couldn't'. Four years into his presidency, he is still blaming Bush for his incompetence. What a joke? Our President (India) is lot better.
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
07:44 AM on 01/26/2012
And please give us an example of that incompetence?

Oh, while your at it, Google GW Bush vs Incompetence
06:38 PM on 01/26/2012
least we did not have to hear him say , "Folks is Hurt'n" 12 times again
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nos2001
07:24 AM on 01/27/2012
are we better off now or worse? nuff said..
01:36 PM on 01/26/2012
The filibuster rule trumps democracy.
"Far from being a rarity, virtually every bill, every nominee for Senate confirmati­on and every routine procedural motion is now subject to a Republican filibuster­," says Lofgren.

As Hannah Arendt observed, a discipline­d minority of totalitari­ans can use the instrument­s of democratic government to undermine democracy itself.”

No President EVER has faced an entire opposition party this crazy, this stupid, this heartless and this monolithic in their obstructio­n. If we're not careful, they will regain power. And we've never seen such monsters in these numbers before. It will be devastatin­g.
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cornel
wuf wuf
02:35 AM on 01/26/2012
I agree, that was pretty weak stuff ! How about taxing the super rich at a rate of 50% and use that money for infrastructure revamp only !
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ajahenry
12:30 AM on 01/27/2012
How about we just seize their bank accounts. Those darn rich people are the reason our government has to spend so much money!
01:48 AM on 01/26/2012
Obama is CLUELESS and SPINELESS .... and it's starting to show.

he needs to find his big girl panties and put them on.

of course, he's still going to the Hague and an accessory after the fact to GWB's war crimes.

Sorry Obama, but you had your chance
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clearasmud
Obama Is Nothing More Than A Moderate Republican
07:45 AM on 01/26/2012
So, now what?
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nos2001
07:28 AM on 01/27/2012
what else could have been expected with no experience running or managing anything.. not even as little as a lemonaid stand. oh, i forgot-he was a community organizer.