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Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich Spar Over Immigration During CNN 2012 GOP Debate In Florida (VIDEO)

First Posted: 01/26/2012 7:53 pm Updated: 03/27/2012 5:12 am

Earlier this week, Newt Gingrich caught criticism from Florida's Sen. Marco Rubio over an Spanish-language radio ad, in which Mitt Romney was referred to as "anti-immigrant." Said Rubio -- who is neutral in the 2012 race and has endorsed no one as of yet -- "This kind of language is more than just unfortunate. It's inaccurate, inflammatory, and doesn't belong in this campaign."

Gingrich was asked by CNN's Wolf Blitzer during the GOP debate Thursday night to explain himself. Gingrich replied: "Why did we describe him that way? In the original conversations about deportation, the position I took, which he attacked pretty ferociously was that grandmothers and grandfathers aren't going to be successfully deported. We as a nation are not going ... to grab a grandmother and kick them out. We're not -- I think you have to be realistic in your indignation."

Of course, that's a real hair-split. Romney contends that a process called "self-deportation" will work. As Romney theorizes, if you prevent undocumented workers from obtaining a job, they'll largely leave of their own accord and attempt to re-enter legally. From there, it seems a stretch to suggest that Romney's position was the "anti-immigrant" position relative to Gingrich's, which is essentially the same, save for his preference to leave longstanding undocumented immigrants of advanced age and ties to the community alone, and extending them some residency privileges.

Blitzer correctly sensed the hair-split, and asked for clarification: "I want to make sure I understand. Is he still the most anti-immigrant candidate?"

Gingrich replied, "I think of the four of us, yes."

Romney was given the chance to intercede:

That's simply inexcusable. And Senator Marco Rubio came to my defense and said that ad was inflammatory and inappropriate. I'm not anti-immigrant. My father was born in Mexico. My wife's father was born in Wales. They came to this country. The idea that i'm anti-immigrant is repulsive.

He went on to say that Gingrich's ad was an example of "over the top rhetoric" and said he was glad Rubio "called [him] out."

Gingrich told Romney that he would give him the opportunity to "self-describe," saying, "You tell me what language you would use to describe somebody who thinks that deporting a grandmother or a grandfather from their family, just tell me the language. I'm happy for you to explain the language you would use."

Romney suggested this was beside the point: "I described following the law, which is to say, I'm not going around and rounding people up and deporting them. ... I'm not going to find grandmothers and deport them. those are your words. not my words."

Gingrich essentially continued attempting to hang the "Romney as anti-immigrant" case solely on the basis of their policy differences, where elderly immigrants are concerned. "I just want to allow the grandmother to be here legally with some rights to have residency but not citizenship so that he or she can finish their life with dignity, within the law."

Romney shot back: "You know, our problem is not 11 million grandmothers."

That the two men have a difference in their immigration policy is perfectly clear. What's not clear is why this minor difference required Gingrich to put out an ad that drew Rubio's ire. Gingrich couldn't make the case. Romney wins this round.

But Romney's "11 million grandmothers" line implied that he would let some undocumented immigrants stay put while going after the trouble-makers.

This is a see-no-evil, highly-tailored form of amnesty. And while Romney has and never will call it that, it's worth noting that he's actually practiced it in the past. As The Huffington Post's Andrea Stone reported, as governor, Romney wrote a letter to the Department of Homeland Security urging that it not deport a beloved teacher from his state who was in the country illegally.

As Romney told CNN at the time, he appreciated the need to apply the same rules to everybody. "But now and then," he said, "when a group of kids come together and say this is different. Please all you people at the top of the pyramid of the public service world, will you stop and look at this? This is different. It doesn't fit the rule."

Romney wrote a letter to Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff -- now an adviser to his presidential campaign -- saying, ''I have heard from scores of Mr. Attouoman's students who are concerned that the loss of their teacher in the middle of this school year will not only impact their education, but also will take from our community a man who has been willing to mentor young men who lack a prominent role model in their lives."

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10:32 AM on 02/03/2012
Immigration is one of those great "Get to the top and pull the ladder up with you" issues. It suited the US to bring in scores of European immigrants. They were treated, for the most part, horribly, but have now been assimilated to the point where their experiences are synonymous with the American dream. I'm hopeful that eventually we start being accepting (particularly of Latin Americans) without demonizing them as job-stealers and being welfare-dependent, but it seems that anti-progressive Republicans want to create a fear of immigrants through their politics and policies so they'll never be drawn into the folds of American society like, say, the Irish in the early 20th century.
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Gaaltero
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10:44 PM on 01/29/2012
Republicans are a racist. Always will be.
04:05 AM on 01/30/2012
hypocrisy alert...that's being racist...
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Misanthropical
I am unPC and I don't care!
09:00 AM on 01/30/2012
F&F calling him out on it so I don't have to.
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Gaaltero
Conscious Black Man
10:05 AM on 01/30/2012
Nope. Calling someone insane doesn't mean you're insane. try again.
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sieben13
09:25 PM on 01/29/2012
Latino,s cant be that naive to buy into this repuglican BS, The latino representatives , I can understand because they are bought and paid for , but the general population ??????????
09:01 PM on 01/28/2012
Romney was getting hot and bothered trying to make the case that he couldn't possibly be anti-immigrant because his father was born in Mexico. So what? So you have to be born in the United States to be considered a U.S. citizen?!! According to Romney's it's tough luck for any of the millions of Americans who live and work abroad and birth children outside of the U.S. because those children would be considered immigrants upon their arrival back on U.S. soil, according to his logic. Both of Romney's father's parents were born and bred in Utah. They only moved to Mexico to escape U.S. law barring the practice of polygamy and so had his father, George Romney, there. They left back to the U.S. when he was five only to escape the violence of the Mexican civil war that threatened their Mormon colony. Because the parents were citizens, the son was considered by U.S. law to be as well. How otherwise was it that he was able to run for president 1968? And George Romney's return to the U.S., as an English speaking white person of Anglo-Saxon cultural heritage, an American citizen, and so young as to barely be able to remember it, has little relation to the immigrant experience of Latinos and others who come to America, the experience that Romney is panderously and indignantly claiming to be able to relate to through his father
10:24 PM on 01/29/2012
No, you have to be a US citizen to be considered a US citizen.
02:42 AM on 01/28/2012
George W. Romney, Mitt Romney’s father was born in Mexico to AMERICAN parents serving as Mormon missionaries in a Mormon COLONY. Mitt Romney was trying to give the impression to the large Hispanic and Latino populations of Florida that his background is in touch with theirs. His “Born in Mexico” father also served without distinction in the NIXON administration. But let U.S. not forget that Mitt Romney had ILLEGAL Aliens working on his properties, so his stand on immigration may be shaky ground. And to those who are “Not A Liberal”, A Liberal one who is suitable for a free person, generous, tolerant, not narrow in opinion or judgment and not conservative. IMHO, A Liberal is one who is considerate of others, a true American.
05:16 PM on 01/27/2012
I don't know where I stand on immigration, but I have an issue with Romney standing up for an illegal teacher. How did that teacher get a job? Was there a background check? Does that person pay taxes? If that teacher isn't a legal citizen -- then thee/she is directly taking a good paying job from a legal citizen. My problem with Newt is that he is trying to make a sub group within our country. Legal citizens are good, bad, poor, rich, religious, atheists, etc ... But they are still citizens. Why would illegals under the Dream Act have to prove their worth and/or intentions? Will newt set up America's first caste system?
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Viper1st
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08:59 PM on 01/29/2012
Did come into the USA, legally on a Visa ~ did not renew Visa upon expiration, thus becoming illegal

http://www.boston.com/news/education/k_12/articles/2008/05/22/teachers_fight_ends_in_deportation/
10:49 AM on 02/03/2012
Plenty of "Illegals" pay taxes. The IRS does not care about immigration status and will issue you a "Tax ID" number for those purposes. I know plenty of people with this immigration status yet many pay a higher rate of taxes than me even.
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01:17 PM on 01/27/2012
That's right, he's anti-everyone who doesn't have millions of dollars.
01:10 PM on 01/27/2012
Some of Newt's best friends are immigrant grandmothers. He's married to three or four of them. A REPUBLUCAN DEBATE WRIITEN BY ALFRED HITCHCOCK...FOR...THE THREE STOOGES Thoughts at 3 A.M. http://thoughtsatthreeam.blogspot.com/?spref=tw
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kitkatmom1
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01:03 PM on 01/27/2012
Instead of them debating over childish stuff, they should be talking about what they're going to do for this country and it's people, as the President. They need to address main issues like the cost of living being too high, the homeless, no jobs for people, and gasoline prices too high.
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ShirleeK
12:57 PM on 01/27/2012
Newt would benefit from a little time in the gym. A really well tailored suit can only do so much.
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Summer77
12:45 PM on 01/27/2012
He's not against immigrants some of his best friends are immigrants ;) Get it! LOL the man speaks with forked tongue! Despieta Pueblo!
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offcenterlevi
12:17 PM on 01/27/2012
The Republican candidates all seem to be hateful demagogues who appeal to the basest of human emotions. They hate gay people and want to deny them basic human freedoms, they hate unemployed people and blame for their predicament (largely caused by rich Republicans), and they hate illegal immigrants, who are doing work that American citizens refuse to do. Farmers and others in Alabama (home to some of the most hateful of the demagogues) who depended on illegals, are now facing bankruptcy because they can't find citizens to do the work of the illegals who were cut off by one of the most draconian anti immigrant bills in the country. Hatred may make some people feel good in the short run. They convince themselves that they are better than "the others" and that those people are the cause of their unhappiness. Hatred, though, only feeds on itself, and does nothing to improve long term well being. Why can't we realize that we're all in this together, and that there really is no "other" that we need to hate? Politicians who count on hatred to fuel their personal ambitions do not have other people's interests at heart.
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inspmark
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12:57 PM on 01/27/2012
I have to say that one moment really caught me off guard. Newt called Mitt "anti-immigrant", and then Romney defended himself by declaring that his Father had "been born in Mexico". NOW I know we've all heard that Mitt's Dad ran for President decades ago (and he released 12 years of tax returns), but now we know Mitt says his Dad was born in Mexico....HOW did his Dad run for President if he was "foreign born"??? Shouldn't we be asking questions about Mitt's Dad and his run for office if he didn't has US citizenship by birth?? The ONLY way I know this could have been allowed is if Mitt's Dad was born at our Embassy in Mexico. Where are the "birthers" in the "Tea Party" now?????
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petsnstve
01:59 PM on 01/27/2012
I counted the words hate and hatred no less than 9 times in your post. If there is a great degree of hatred anywhere, it is definitely contained within the hearts of liberals. Very sad. Your facts are skewed and you have bought into all the lies perpetrated by the liberal media. Such a shame that these lies are peddled day in and day out and continually bought by those who have been drinking the kool aid for the last 3 years.
12:11 PM on 01/27/2012
Mitt scored a point today! He is absolutely right. We are a joke...we don't even obey our own laws!
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11:50 AM on 01/27/2012
I heard that debate and Newt was ridiculous.
11:43 AM on 01/27/2012
...Unless Ron Paul pulls some eleventh-hour surging forward to take the republican nod, Obama's got an EASY four more years in office. Can you spell "America is screwed"?
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ultrawiz
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12:44 PM on 01/27/2012
Not as screwed as we'd be if one of these Repub clowns gets in. We'd already be bankrupt and selling off Mt. Rushmore if McCain/Palin had won last time.
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inspmark
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01:00 PM on 01/27/2012
Yes, I can spell "America is screwed"....It's spelled "Romney Wins Presidency", or "Newt Wins Presidency". Now, the question is...."Will you waste your vote and put the same idiots in the White House that caused this mess in the first place?"....If you answer "yes", then you can't understand a recovery when it slaps you in the fact.