Ray Kelly Resignation Called For By Muslims Angered By Anti-Islam Movie

CHRIS HAWLEY   01/26/12 06:06 PM ET  AP

NEW YORK — Muslim groups are calling for New York's police commissioner to step down because of his appearance in a film they say puts their religion and its adherents in a bad light.

About 20 activists held a news conference on the steps of City Hall on Thursday and criticized Ray Kelly for giving an interview to the producers of the movie "The Third Jihad."

The movie uses dramatic footage to warn against the dangers of radical Islam and shariah, or Islamic law. Muslim groups say it encourages Americans to be suspicious of all Muslims.

"Terrorism is an evil that must be eliminated, but one cannot fight wrong with wrong," said Talib Abdur-Rashid, a Muslim cleric.

Mayor Michael Bloomberg said Thursday he stood by Kelly and the commissioner's spokesman, Paul Browne. Activists had also demanded Browne's resignation.

However, the mayor said Kelly would have to redouble his outreach efforts to Muslims.

"Anything like this doesn't help credibility, so Ray's got to work at establishing, re-establishing or reinforcing the credibility that he does have," Bloomberg said.

Kelly appears for about 30 seconds of the 72-minute movie, which was made by the conservative Clarion Fund. He originally said he was not involved but on Wednesday acknowledged he had given a 90-minute interview to the filmmakers in 2007.

Browne he had initially forgotten details of Kelly's involvement in the film until asked about it again this week.

"This goes back five years," he said. "There's some suggestion that, `Gee, I suddenly remembered.' I didn't suddenly remember – I went through five years of emails to try and figure out did I get request by this guy who's connected with the foundation."

The movie was later shown to police trainees. The police department said it was played in a continuous loop in the sign-in area of counterterrorism training sessions between October and December 2010. As many as 1,489 trainees may have seen the movie, according to documents released under New York's public records law.

Kelly apologized Wednesday for his appearance and for the playing of the movie.

The Clarion Fund and its supporters say "The Third Jihad" is balanced.

"I don't see why they're so upset by people seeing it," said Stuart Kaufman of The United West, a group that opposes shariah. "Shariah law is a danger to western civilization and it's up to police to understand the nature of Shariah law so they can prevent this."

The Muslim leaders said they are worried that the police department is teaching officers to treat all Muslims as suspects. They demanded the resignation of Kelly and Browne, and a U.S. Department of Justice inquiry into the showing of the film.

The activists also want retraining of all 1,489 officers "that are walking this city with poison in their brains," said Cyrus McGoldrick, civil rights director for the Council on American-Islamic Relations-New York. CAIR is one of the organizations that "The Third Jihad" accuses of being soft on terrorist groups.

Bloomberg said he doubted the movie had swayed any of the trainees and said he saw no need for retraining.

"I think any retraining is probably being done by the press right now," Bloomberg said.

Kelly has said the department does surveillance only when it is following leads. But an investigation by The Associated Press has revealed a secret intelligence program, set up with the aid of the Central Intelligence Agency, aimed at infiltrating religious groups and monitoring neighborhoods even when there is no evidence of wrongdoing.

The CIA has since decided to pull its officer from the NYPD after an internal investigation criticized poor oversight of the collaboration.

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Associated Press reporters Samantha Gross and Tom Hays contributed to this report.

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01:26 PM on 02/08/2012
One of the reasons we invaded Iraq is because Saddam's son's were allegedly raping women with impunity...Could an invasion of NYC be in the works?
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Rosanne Smithe
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12:39 PM on 02/04/2012
Angry Moslems? Whodda thunk it?
02:33 PM on 02/02/2012
American Muslim leaders speak in support of anti-Jihad movie

The American Islamic Leadership Coalition has "viewed The Third Jihad, and regard the information presented therein to be both factually accurate, and important for our fellow Muslim and non-Muslim citizens to understand, debate and address."

The Third Jihad, notes the AILC, "explicitly distinguishes between the religion of Islam, and the highly politicized ideology of religious hatred, supremacy and violence characteristic of political Islam, often referred to as 'Islamism'. While the film does not examine the pluralistic, tolerant and spiritual traditions of Islam that lie at the heart of our own understanding thereof, this does not imply that the film is inaccurate in its depiction of what it specifically terms "radical Islam," as exemplified by movements such as al-Qaeda, the Taliban, Wahhabism (aka "Salafism") and the Muslim Brotherhood."

... The Islamists' uproar is driven by a desire to stifle alternative and truly moderate voices such as that of Dr. Jasser, a member of this coalition whom we know to be a devout Muslim committed to the highest values of Islam, and to our nation's founding principles...

http://www.peopleofshambhala.com/2012/02/american-muslim-leaders-speak-in.html
08:28 PM on 01/31/2012
It's a free country i.e. secular. As a Muslim myself I realize that living here every group at one point of history in every culture gets demonized. Right now it's our turn, If muslims want to combat the stigma one suggestion would be Muslims becoming more active in communities rather than sticking to ourselves. Help out people, talk to people, lead by example. Rasoul (saws) said that we're responsible for our neighbors. I do not see any Muslim soup kitchens, I do not see Muslim's making programming when Allah knows we could afford it.
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10:01 PM on 01/31/2012
I think this is very wise.
10:36 PM on 01/31/2012
Thank you, I think so too. If only more people thought this way it would be a more productive world!
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06:27 AM on 01/29/2012
Judging by the title of this article, it seems HP acknowledges that the radicals in this movie do indeed represent Islam.
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Tolerant
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09:59 AM on 01/29/2012
No, what HP is trying to convey is that it is the movie that makes that suggestion quite clearly, which is completely false.

But in all the discussions about "Radical" Islam/Muslims, one thing is always missing: What really makes them so radical.

This sort of analysis, especially if it is done objectively, is a taboo subject, because its reality does not fit the agenda of a few.
01:28 PM on 01/29/2012
"No, what HP is trying to convey is that it is the movie that makes that suggestion quite clearly, which is completely false."

- But the film does say in the beginning that most mslms are not radicals.
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10:31 PM on 01/29/2012
It's YOUR problem if you can't tell the difference between radical muslims and peaceful muslims. The documentary was clearly about radical muslims. I wonder why you feel personally offended by it?
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Mia Isaacs
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03:27 PM on 01/28/2012
Islam is a religion of hate . Look at the way they treat women. It is nothing but a bunch of savages. To recant Islam is a death sentence. It is the most evil of all religions. Please keep your hatred out of my country.
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10:05 AM on 01/29/2012
Are you a Western non-Muslim?

If so, then you don't fit the stereotype of a Western non-Muslim, who is supposed to be enlightened, educated, well-balanced, fair-minded, rational and reasonable.

You spew nothing but hatred, ignorance, and irrational fear.

Have you been in contact with any Muslims?

If so, can you tell us how "savagely" they behaved towards you as you claim?

Have you met any decent Muslim family and seen how the men treat their mothers, sisters, wives and daughters with tender love and enormous amount of respect?

Recently, we visited another Muslim family whose 70+ year-old mother had had a bypass surgery.

The love flowing towards her from her children, nephews, grandchildren and children-in-law was immense, deep and very profound.

Have you bothered to read at least most of the blogs and comments published by the Muslims here on HP and compared them to the kind of writings that have been published by the likes of yourself?

If so, did you not see that while these non-Muslims' comments are full of hatred, it is the Muslim bloggers and commentators who are positive, have shown loyalty to the West, loving and reasonable?
01:29 PM on 01/29/2012
"You spew nothing but hatred, ignorance, and irrational fear."
- Spoken like a true believer of the religion of peace. Don't you get it yet? the 7th century and 1 century cultures and ways of life are really outdated and not welcomed.
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Mia Isaacs
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02:17 PM on 01/29/2012
Check out persecution.com and then get back with me. Trust m, if there were more Muslims in America than other religions,we would be attacked on sight. Islam is an evil religion.
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12:12 PM on 01/29/2012
Again, you are failing the test and you not showing your LOVE to Muslims as you say you should being a follower of your "Jesus". The reason why being is in your concept of GD how it subtly influences you. This word GOD when you spell it backwards it reads DOG. So, Allah is the better term for us. The term GOD in english is connected with the DOGGISH inclination in the people of the West. Really they have been given a theology that is designed not to bring them up to the excellence of their nature but to reduce them to the lowest of the low, in time.

Christian theology directs your mind, and your devotion, your spiritual devotion to a human concept called the son of G’d, Jesus Christ; and in doing that it block your spiritual growth. Instead of bringing you to universality it brings you to tribalism, racism, materialism and self worship. Instead of lifting us up to the high peak that G’d want us to be on it operates in us kind of subtly like witch doctor medicine to eventually bring us to the lowest ends of human life, really we can’t call it human life.
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Mia Isaacs
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01:24 PM on 01/29/2012
What does any of that have to do with putting a woman in jail for being raped and forcing her to marry a heathen muslim rapist if she wants out. Don't even get me started on so called honor killings. Islam is of the devil.
01:31 PM on 01/29/2012
A follower of your "Jesus" and a follower of your "Mohammad" once met after death... guess what they found.... Nothing.
12:40 PM on 01/28/2012
Resign?...this Bloomberg factotum?...no way...this guy wants to be your next mayor...he wouldn't resign even if his TelePrompTer reading son is proven to be a rapist.
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07:43 AM on 01/28/2012
I have to say that when I read the title of this article and many of the posts here, I expected the film to be the worst kind of hatchet job - something that really earned the title "Islamophobic."

Upon watching it, however, I was puzzled. The film only talks about Islamic radicals, which it clearly defines as a small group among Muslims. We know that Islamic radicals exist (they are portrayed in the many film clips used in the film), and the film repeatedly emphasizes that it is the radicals that are its subject.

Why would anyone who is not a radical Muslim be offended by this film? How is it "anti-Islam"?

I repeat the question I have read several times in the comments: What about the film, specifically, is erroneous or misleading?
01:15 AM on 01/29/2012
Thanks for your comment. This is exactly my sentiment. The movie has made is abundantly clear that it is about radical muslims. I am surprised that there are non-radical muslims who would find this offensive at all, since this movie is not about non-radical muslims.

I also find it puzzling that non-radical muslims would spend so much of their time and energy protesting against non-muslims who are perceived to be misrepresenting Islam, but spend so little time protesting against muslims who commit crimes and terrorism in the name of Islam. In my mind, the radical muslims did MORE harm to Islam then any of the non-muslims.
01:33 PM on 01/29/2012
Any criticism of Islam even when deserving is not accepted and unfortunately this is being tolerated in the West.
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11:16 PM on 01/27/2012
American muslims should be sending gift baskets to Ray White. Look at all the terror plots hatched by muslims who fall into that "handful of bad apples that makes the rest look bad", and just think of how much worse anti-muslim sentiment would be if the NYPD hadn't foiled them:

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57328623/other-foiled-nyc-terror-plots-since-9-11/
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11:47 PM on 01/27/2012
*Ray Kelly
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07:22 PM on 01/27/2012
‎"Oh, people: Surely we have created you from a male and female and have made you nations and tribes that you may regard each other and recognize each other. Surely with G’d the most honored one is the most conscious one of his duty to G’d." (Qur'an 49:13)
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08:40 AM on 01/28/2012
You took that verse out of context.
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09:13 AM on 01/28/2012
You don't what is the context of how I am using this verse because you don't even know the reason why I posted this verse. Its just a verse in general with some general guidelines of how we should try to get to know each other without any comments from me regarding the verse.
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08:10 PM on 01/28/2012
HA!!!
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truesabil
07:15 PM on 01/27/2012
Here another Islam/Muslim related article on HP and they are all out in full force as usual. The Stars are Jan Allen McDaniel, Oblongato, Sandalwood, Lacey Epperson, Damn Damien and there are others Stars who haven't appeared yet on this particular article.

Welcome!

Would it be nice to one day we all could meet in person and have a real nice roundtable discussion? I think the attitudes and spirit will be a lot different when we can sit across from each other and see a real human person that we are dialoging with. I think the dialogue will be more open and less political agenda driven, whether those politics are influenced by secularism or religion.

‎"Oh, people: Surely we have created you from a male and female and have made you nations and tribes that you may regard each other and recognize each other. Surely with G’d the most honored one is the most conscious one of his duty to G’d." (Qur'an 49:13)
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07:24 AM on 01/28/2012
Islam is not a nation.
Welcome? I am back.
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truesabil
09:33 AM on 01/28/2012
I know you wish you could edit my post to include your name among the other "Stars".
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truesabil
10:25 AM on 01/28/2012
Not for your benefit when you read this, its for the benefit of others when they read this. It is reported that someone asked the Prophet "what is islam". He said: Islam has been built, constructed upon five essentials. He named them:

To testify that there is only one G'd that is worthy of our worship, to pray, to fast, to give in charity and to make pilgrimage to the holy precincts in Mecca.

Also, for the benefit of others, that verse I referenced is talking about all people. It did not say anything about Islam being a nation. Its talking about any nation (or community) and tribal order wherever they exist on this earth that G'd made these differences that we may learn from each other and acknowledge what we learn from each other. Is not America a Nation among Nations?
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04:57 PM on 01/28/2012
You’re a fraud really..... and more aptly an accurate reflection of what creates so large a divide in your cause.

Job well done.. Keep it up.
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truesabil
10:12 PM on 01/28/2012
Sorry, I don't know you. I guess you are pissed because your name wasn't included with the other Stars. Now I know to be sure to include you the next time.
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01:55 PM on 01/27/2012
REV. CHLOE BREYER: We were so disappointed to hear that 1,489 members of the NYPD were exposed to a grossly inaccurate and inflammatory video about Muslims in the United States. Dehumanizing propaganda of the sort we saw aimed at the Japanese during World War II, at the Germans during World War I, has no place in our diverse city and country and no place in law enforcement.

So, in other words, Muslims aren't the only ones critical of this movie.

See this: http://tinyurl.com/6sap348
02:21 PM on 01/27/2012
Being Japanese is not a religion! just saying !
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Tolerant
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02:46 PM on 01/27/2012
He was identifying minority groups regardless of what makes them a minority, with whom America has engaged in a conflict and how those Americans belonging to those minority groups were treated in America.

A bit of reflection on Rev.'s comments would have revealed the meaning of what he stated.
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01:33 PM on 01/27/2012
Over and over in these comments the claim is made that American Muslims have never had any intention to seek the establishment of Sharia law in America. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

The earliest example of this intent I have found is a non-academic but still influential article published in 1993 originally in the print edition of The American Muslim by the American Muslim Council.

Deputy Director Issa Smith, in “Native American Courts: Precedent for an Islamic arbitral system,” argued for a number of milestones that have since been achieved.

“The process of implementing Muslim family law will not be accomplished overnight. Changes of their type take place very slowly in American society, and our community is far from being prepared for this tak. [sic]

[...]

However, I strongly urge that consideration be given to political realities and the sensitivities of the American public. Such a radical change in American law—allowing Muslims to take control over their family law issues - must be initiated from the indigenous Muslim community here in the United States.

To have it seem that this initiative is originating from overseas or from organizations financed overseas, would create a very negative impression that would likely destroy this effort.

continued--
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07:03 PM on 01/27/2012
How does the implementation of a family law option for Muslims, as described in that article, in any way resemble the "taking over with Sharia law" meme that you, and others, express such concern about?
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09:23 PM on 01/27/2012
1. One of the most destructive aspects of organized religions that have a history of imposing morality through law is their divisiveness.

Canon law, Halakha, Sharia--all serve to divide us from them, an acid that dissolves the bonds of community so necessary to a nation like ours, which is not based on blood ties, but on agreement about a few big ideas.

Thankfully, Canon and Halakha are on the wane, found mostly in older communities and not observed much by the young. Sharia is going in the opposite direction.

2. Sharia family law is more intrusive and contradicts fundamental legal and cultural elements of Western civilization:

--Women's rights

--Gender separation

--Children's rights

--Spousal rape

--Divorce law

3. Mr. Issa was acutely aware of the magnitude of the effort needed to divorce Muslims from American family law. Read the whole article and you will understand just how important for Muslim separatists family law is in maintaining their separation and avoiding assimilation—aspiring to the separate status of Native Americans.
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09:58 PM on 01/27/2012
That is what is currently the case in the UK. It has been an unmitigated disaster.

It is described in the article, "What isn't wrong with sharia law?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2010/jul/05/sharia-law-religious-courts
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01:33 PM on 01/27/2012
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Although the Muslim community in North America is vastly different from the Indian community, I feel that in developing a plan for the implementation of Muslim family law, we can in some ways imitate the paradigm of the tribal court system and its supporting network.

In particular, I recommend that as a first step, supporting organizations dealing with Islamic family law be established immediately. A professional association of Muslims in the law field (of whatever specialty) is a must. A law school students’ support group should be formed, and Muslim youth should be encouraged to enter this field.

A second step would be to establish institutes in the U.S. which can supplement legal education with courses in Islamic family law. At the same time, pressure should be put on law schools to include courses in Shariah taught by Muslims."

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* Originally published in the print edition of The American Muslim April-June Spring 1993

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/native_american_courts_precedent_for_an_islamic_arbitral_system/0013143
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10:19 PM on 01/27/2012
fine isaa may spew whatever diatribes he wants. you think he speaks thereby your rights are infringed? muslims are not indigenous peoples of the americas and therefore not and could not claim in any sane court to have the same rights as native americans. end of story. stop your fear mongering, please
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12:01 AM on 01/28/2012
Are you afraid?
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