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Eli Manning vs. Peyton Manning: Could Giants QB Surpass His Older Brother?

The Huffington Post   First Posted: 01/30/2012 3:30 pm Updated: 01/30/2012 6:03 pm

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Could Ei Manning end up with a better career than his brother Peyton?

Eli Manning or Peyton Manning?

Even after the youngest Manning brother tied his older brother in Super Bowl victories and Super Bowl MVP trophies four years ago, this question seemed ill-informed at best and antagonist at worst.

Of course, Peyton was the better Manning.

In an August 2008 article in Sports Illustrated, Lee Jenkins took a look back at the miraculous Super Bowl XLII win authored by Eli and wrote about the relationship between the Manning boys.

"He may never outperform Peyton, but on the right night Eli can at least keep up with him."

With Eli set to take the field for Super Bowl XLVI and Peyton perhaps never taking the field again, it may be time to reevaluate our longstanding understanding of the Manning dynamic. Is Eli doing more than just keeping up?

So, let's ask again: Eli or Peyton?

Despite missing this season due to injury, Peyton still has four MVP Awards on his resume -- an NFL record. Peyton also has a won-loss record of 141-67 in games he starts. Eli, meanwhile, sports a record of 69-50. Having entered the NFL several years ahead of his little brother, Peyton has nearly double the career passing yards and more than twice has many touchdown passes (399 to 185).

But after February 5, Eli could have more Lombardi Trophies. Should that matter more than Peyton's regular-season completion percentages or third-down conversion rates? While Peyton has been the superior (and more consistent) regular-season player, Eli has shown a penchant for coming up big when his back is against the wall. As it stands now, the New York Giants are 8-3 in the playoffs with Eli under center. The Indianapolis Colts have a losing record of 9-10 with Peyton in the postseason. Eli has five playoffs wins on the road. No other quarterback has ever done that.

With his brother off the field this season, Eli threw 15 fourth-quarter touchdowns -- something else no other quarterback has ever done. In 2011, he also threw for more yards in a season than Peyton ever has with 4,933 (sixth-most in NFL history). That's 233 more yards than Peyton threw in his best season.

Before this season, Eli ruffled some feathers by saying that he thinks he's in the same QB class as Tom Brady, but then he went out and backed up his claim. Soon enough he'll have a chance to beat Brady in the Super Bowl.. again. Previously, the QB debate was between Tom Brady and Peyton Manning, with others like Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers forcing themselves into the conversation. WIth a Super Bowl win in his brother's stadium, doesn't Eli have a case, even if it's based more on results than statistics?

Besides, at just 31 years old, Eli still has sufficient time to catch Peyton in some of those counting stats. On the other hand, Peyton's career with the Colts -- and perhaps his NFL career -- is rumored to be nearing its end. The latest report comes from NBC's Peter King, who wrote that Peyton is struggling to get healthy. Late last week, NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reported that a decision to move on from Peyton was made weeks ago within the Colts organization. Both of these reports come shortly after actor Rob Lowe set the Internet ablaze with a tweet about Peyton's impending retirement. Lowe's tweets cited inside information, which had many wondering if Colts owner Jim Irsay, known to friends with the actor, was the source. The past week has featured a battle of sound bytes between Peyton and Irsay.

Even those who think Eli needs to improve tremendously in his decision making and consistency before reaching Peyton's class would likely have to concede that the younger brother is best choice going forward. And, whether or not the Giants pull off another upset over the Patriots in Super Bowl 46, the overall argument between Eli and Peyton has certainly gotten a lot more interesting since Peyton was named Super Bowl MVP in 2007.

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07:34 AM on 02/06/2012
This post brings to mind one of my favorite songs from the '70s.

"ELI"S COMING"-- Three Dog Night

Let me hear a response from anybody ELSE who remembers this song.
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Jazmo
Cause they're hip to the bull and hip to the lies.
07:53 PM on 02/01/2012
As an Eagles fan, this pains me, but Eli grew up this season. I don't know if he's quite Peyton at his peak, but he's getting there.
02:57 PM on 02/01/2012
Eli all the way!
02:05 PM on 02/01/2012
Too much emphasis on SB. It's just an overhyped game. If my team gives me a good season, I'm ok with that. Montana, Peyton, Brady, Marino, and Elway. No Eli. Put him in the league with Bradshaw, a couple of good years because of an awesome defense and some Pro Bowl recievers.
03:35 PM on 02/01/2012
Recievers he has to get the ball to. Right?
01:50 PM on 02/01/2012
You gotta be kidding. I'm with the Brady bunch, but Peyton vs Eli. Really? No contest. Peyton was a machine. He ran the offense. Not just a part of it. The play caller, pre snap adjustments. I credit Peyton with makeing Brady better, because Brady had to know that the odds were good that the road to the SB went through Indy. I look at the SB as just another game. A game where the distractions often keep it from being a good game. Dan Marino didn't win a super bowl. So what? It's just the last game of the season, and like I said it's not always a good game. I judge a QB by the body of his work. Peyton has been surgical in his disection of defenses. Eli is lucky if he can keep his team in the game.
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
07:48 AM on 02/01/2012
At their best...Payton. He's one of the greatest, if not the greatest field generals ever. Eli relies too much on the big play & amazing receivers' catches.
01:53 PM on 02/01/2012
Let's not forget that the Giants tend to keep the score low, makeing it easier for 4th qtr comebacks. Eli owes a lot of his success to an awesome defense, Payton, not so much.
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butchcliff
The future is unwritten
06:06 AM on 02/02/2012
True, but comparing the two as individual qbs, Payton is the better.
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bmwracer
In the LEFT lane.
11:48 PM on 01/31/2012
If the Colts had a running game and a defense like the Giants, Peyton would've had many more Super Bowl opportunities/victories.

Eli should consider himself very, very lucky.
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ninjacb
not just another white dope on punk
04:03 PM on 01/31/2012
in a word...NAY. eli MAY make it to elite status (we will have to see this sunday) but his brother will always be head and shoulders above him in playing ability and accomplishment. eli is just going to have to resign himself to the "little brother" syndrome.
03:19 PM on 01/31/2012
Typical sports media.....slobbering all over these two like they are the second coming.....get real.
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hillaryj
12:28 PM on 01/31/2012
There will never be another Peyton! I have watched him all through college and the pros.........he is the Best! He is also a wonderful person as is Eli!
11:40 AM on 01/31/2012
To me, it's Eli. I heard someone say recently, if you want to win 14 regular season games, take Peyton, if you want to win the biggest game, take Eli.

Peyton's seasons have often ended with him playing really poorly and/or making a critical mistake in playoff games, like his interception in the Superbowl to seal his defeat. I would love to see stats aggregated from a QB's last game of the playoffs. Admittedly, without the numbers in front of me, I'll guess that Peyton has crumbled far more often than his brother has.
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cybolt
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01:59 PM on 01/31/2012
Well, one of the great barometers of measuring a player's greatness is how well he elevates the playing level of those around him. Peyton made a SB contender out of a mid-pack, 8-8'er and he turns marginal guys into all-pros.
02:10 PM on 01/31/2012
That's another completely legitimate angle to look at it from. There is no single number one can look at to rank players, too many conditions have to be taken into account--thankfully, or these discussions wouldn't be any fun at all.

Fortunately, we can't compare Eli on this one, since he's never had a bad injury that kept him out a year, but the way the Colts fell apart this year does make Peyton look good.
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Sad But True
Food for thought tastes like chicken
10:36 AM on 01/31/2012
From the lips of Tom Brady, regarding Peyton Manning:

“To me, he’s the greatest of all time,” Brady told Lindsey Soto of NFL Network by phone...
11:31 AM on 01/31/2012
I'd bet he's lying, and that he thinks Montana is the greatest of all time.
01:56 PM on 02/01/2012
Yeah, Brady would lie because.............crickets...........................crickets........crickets. Needs the money? No. Needs the attention? No. Impress girls? No. Ok, I'm all out, why would Brady lie?
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LeftNutt
12:21 AM on 01/31/2012
Peyton is a way Bretter quarterback. Rings don't matter. Peyton won a lot more games, holds more records, and understands the position better. Only a few quarterbacks in history were givin the go ahead to do what they wanted at the the line.. Peyton wuld come to the line, look at the defense, and call a play. Extremely hard to do and he made it look easy. Is not the same as calling an audible at the line. Peyton is one of the greatest.
09:16 AM on 01/31/2012
Rings don't matter?! Tell that to the fans.
Lombardi said: Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing.

Peyton Manning's record in Play-offs games is 7-8. A losing record.

Any fan, any owner, any coach, of any team would choose the QB who finds a way to win the big games over the QB who gets his name in the record book.

Rings are the only thing - rings are winning.
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Sad But True
Food for thought tastes like chicken
10:28 AM on 01/31/2012
Rings are a team accomplishment. Do they matter in the discussion of the best player at a position? Sure, as one of many criteria. But it's blown out of proportion. Dan Marino was 100x the QB that Dilfer was, yet the former has no rings and the latter has one.

Another ring certainly helps Eli shed that former label as a middle-tier QB, but in no way does it propel him to the leve of his brother.

Peyton will be remembered as one of the greatest to ever play.
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cybolt
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02:02 PM on 01/31/2012
I steadfastly second "Sad's" statement.
10:32 AM on 01/31/2012
Ask McNabb if rings matter.
02:01 PM on 02/01/2012
McNabb? I don't put McNabb in the same league as Payton, Brady and Montana. Oops, forgot Marino and Elway. Look, what I look for in a team is a good season. My Pats have been giving me that for a very long time. Playoffs! Playoffs? You want to talk about playoffs? What about the other 16 games?
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03:45 PM on 02/01/2012
We are talking about just the quarterback position, individual achievement. I'm not talking about team effort. Do u think Eli is better than Dan Marino just beciase he won a Super Bowl?? I'd say no. Peyton is one of the best to ever play the game, regardless of super bowls. Again I'm lookin at it from an individual perspective...and Peyton is hands down a better quarterback. In my opinion of course.
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cookerman45
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12:01 AM on 01/31/2012
NO.
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donp700
11:33 PM on 01/30/2012
Aaron Rodgers for the win!