This Aug. 9, 2011 file photo shows the closed gates at Dover Air Force Base, Del. (AP Photo/Steve Ruark, File)
The New York Times:
A report says that officials at Dover Air Force Base retaliated against four employees after they raised concerns about the mishandling of service members’ remains.
Whistle-blowers have a lot of guts - it's a lose-possible-win situation, in that they lose, 100% of the time, in the end --- but the situation may be fixed, as in this case.
JoePenn: Whistle-blowers have a lot of guts - it's a lose-possible-win
What a message to send to the troops. If an enlisted Airman committs a minor incident the Air Force does not hesitate to severly discilpline the enlisted. These clowns do this and they get reassigned. The Air Force is a joke.
FatherH: What a message to send to the troops. If an
Agreed, and I spent 3 decades in the AF. Saw many an infraction covered up by the officer types, or if found out, only re-assigned elsewhere ----- whereas the enlisted folks (who OFTEN have higher education levels than the officers appointed "over them," and 100% of the time have more experience on the job) have to serve as examples for others.
JoePenn: Agreed, and I spent 3 decades in the AF. Saw
Early on it was forbidden for anyone to witness and especially illegal to photograph the removal of coffins from aircraft at Dover AFB. -Was the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld administration fearful the country would realize that wars, even ILLEGAL ones, result in casualties?
There were some bad things going on at Dover. These did not occur in the battle field, but on US soil. Anyone that was aware of wrong doing and said nothing could later be considered part of the problem. JAG officers are available to offer advice on how to report illegal activities, on military installations. The Air Force can now set the record straight by protecting the 'whistle blowers' or the officials that are charged with this mess.
jqcitizen: Early on it was forbidden for anyone to witness and
The individuals who were concerned enough about this situation to report it should be protected, with their jobs secure. The military supevisors, or non-military people in charge of the mortuary who apparently allowed these events, or ignored them, should at the very least be fired.
This is another example of why our country is in the condition it is: alleged good people who saw the mishandling of these bodies reported it and now they bear the brunt of the offenses. There is something very wrong with this mentality wherein no good deed goes unpunished. I think it's time to start cleaning up our act.
ReadMyLipstick1: The individuals who were concerned enough about this situation to
So, the leader of this band of hypocrites cannot be promoted further? What a terrible shame! When will the military get it through its stainless steel head that WE, THE PEOPLE pay salaries and bills for their tinker toys, lock, stock and barrel for them? What would happen to a civilian owner of a mortuary which tossed body parts onto a trash heap? How does this SOB rate a colonel's salary and retirement pension at our expense? And the others?They got "lesser jobs"? In an economy where people willing to bust butt cannot even find a minimum wage job???!!! And we pay for them, too? The colonel should be summarily courtmartialed and tossed out, the civilians should go to jail!
rothomaha: So, the leader of this band of hypocrites cannot be
When our Administration goes after any whistleblower with a vengeance, this incident is not surprising. We have a culture of retribution within our govt., no matter what the criminal activity exposed. No matter what rhetoric the President spouts, he is responsible for this. Meanwhile, the criminals or perpetrators get off scott free, or with a slap on the wrist.
KellyJohnson: When our Administration goes after any whistleblower with a vengeance,
Letting criminal government officials off is an honored and truly American tradition. Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, Cheney and Bush ... They all should have spent the rest of their lives in prison. Or at least been water boarded!
glitterik: Letting criminal government officials off is an honored and truly
Retaliatory actions against honorable personnel at Dover, should be met with the introduction of piles of big rocks desperately seeking to become much smaller ones.
PatTheHat: Retaliatory actions against honorable personnel at Dover, should be met
"Counter to the core values of the Air Force"...Eight years of a wild west command structure with two wars going is not going to disappear overnight. It took a good 15 years the last time the military was allowed off the reservation to get real discipline back into the assorted branches. My experience was always the opposite of this. We never "protected our own", if you were not performing you were done, shipped off to where you could do no harm or were under constant supervision and you were not getting an opportunity to stick around after your latest enlistment was up.
USMC9298: "Counter to the core values of the Air Force"...Eight years
Americans don't like people that "snitch." We have allowed ourselves to believe that we are either "with" the program, or not. Until this attitude changes, whistleblowers will always be few, and they will be ostracized. Law enforcement agencies aren't much help, either. They claim to be overworked, or underfunded, and generally don't respond well to whistleblowers. The claim to have "more important" things to do.
hcinco: Americans don't like people that "snitch." We have allowed ourselves
You're right. We learned about that as far back as kindergarten: don't be a tattle tale. I can think of several issues immediately where horrendous events allegedly continued while people turned their heads: Sandusky at Penn State takes first place at this moment.
ReadMyLipstick1: You're right. We learned about that as far back as
All the right words, full of false rage, and all the wrong actions. This stuff doesn't even raise an eyebrow these days. What an utter wasteland we have become.
SmotPoker: All the right words, full of false rage, and all
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