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House Votes To Freeze Pay Of Federal Workers Through 2013

Pay Freeze

JIM ABRAMS   02/ 1/12 07:31 PM ET  AP

WASHINGTON — The House on Wednesday voted to freeze the wages of federal workers for a third straight year and put members of Congress on record as opposing a boost in their $174,000 annual salaries.

Republican supporters said their measure, which would freeze federal worker wages through 2013, would save taxpayers $26 billion. It would not apply to military personnel.

The nation's 2.3 million federal civilian workers currently are in the second year of a wage freeze imposed as part of efforts to trim budget deficits. Sponsors said the two-year halt in wage increases will save the government $60 billion.

"We must act now to extend the pay freeze on federal workers and on members' salaries until Washington finally gets its finances under control," said Rep. Sean Duffy, R-Wis., the bill's sponsor.

Republicans also have sought to add a year to the federal wage freeze and have federal workers contribute more toward pensions as ways to pay for legislation, now being negotiated between the House and Senate, to extend a payroll tax cut and federal unemployment benefits until the end of this year.

The pay freeze legislation could have difficulty moving through the Democratic-controlled Senate. In the House, most Democrats opposed the measure, saying deficit reduction should not be carried out on the backs of federal workers. Federal labor groups have strongly opposed an extended freeze.

Still, it was a tough election-year vote for some Democrats reluctant to be seen as supporting a raise for themselves. The salary of rank-and-file members of Congress has remained at $174,000 since 2009 and is unlikely to go up as long as the economy sputters.

"What we have here is a very clever political effort to have members vote either for their pay or against their pay being adjusted," said Rep. Steny Hoyer of Maryland, the second-ranking Democrat.

Democrats tried to bring up a separate bill that would have stated opposition to a congressional pay hike, but they were stopped by Republicans. The vote on the pay freeze bill was 309-117, with 72 out of 187 voting Democrats supporting it. Only two Republicans opposed it.

President Barack Obama has proposed ending the pay freeze in 2013, but with a modest 0.5 percent raise.

But Republicans pointed to a Congressional Budget Office report earlier this week that concluded that federal workers, on average, receive total compensation that is 16 percent higher than what their counterparts in the private sector get.

The study found that while federal workers earn about 2 percent more than comparable private sector workers, generous federal pension and other benefit programs boost that difference to 16 percent.

"Those who work hardest to pay taxes are the ones bearing the burden of a bloated federal government," said Rep. Dennis Ross of Florida, like Duffy a Republican freshman. "The contrast between federal government and private sector is troubling."

Rep. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said there are now 450,000 federal employees earning at least $100,000 a year.

But Colleen M. Kelley, president of the National Treasury Employees Union, said more accurate Bureau of Labor Statistics data dispute the CBO findings. "An enormous amount of time and energy is going into studies purporting to show that federal workers are overpaid," said the head of the largest independent federal union. "It is just a foolish drive for the lowest common denominators."

The House also passed, by voice vote, a resolution that would cut House committee budgets by an average of 6 percent in 2012. That reduction, combined with a 5 percent cut last year, would produce savings of $28 million.

The House also voted 395-27 for a bill that would ban use of welfare money in gambling casinos, liquor stores and adult entertainment places such as strip clubs. The House passed a similar provision in December, but it never made it through the Senate.

Many states issue welfare recipients Electronic Benefits Transfer cards with cash benefits. The cards are supposed to assist families with basic needs, including food, shelter and clothing. The cards also provide a way of tracking where benefits are withdrawn, and that's how states discovered the withdrawals at casinos, liquor stores and strip clubs.

The legislation would require states to implement policies to prohibit use of the card in these venues. If a state failed to do that within two years, it would face a 5 percent reduction in its welfare block grant.

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Associated Press writer Larry Margasak contributed to this report.

Republicans have pushed through the House a bill that would freeze the wages of federal workers for a third year and bar members of Congress from giving themselves a pay raise.

Republican sponsors said their measure, which would freeze federal worker wages through 2013, would save taxpayers $26 billion. It would not apply to military personnel.

Many Democrats objected to the freeze, arguing that federal workers already had done their part in reducing budget deficits. President Barack Obama is expected to propose a 0.5 percent hike in federal employee wages in this 2013 budget proposal.

But some Democrats were also reluctant to cast an election-year vote Wednesday that would suggest they support giving themselves a pay raise. The salaries of rank-and-file members of Congress has remained at $174,000 since 2009.

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COMMUNITY PUNDITS
paganmist 10:01 PM on 02/01/2012
Get up in the morning.
Get dressed.
Shower (cold), breakfast (maybe).
Drive 1 hour to work (broken heater) in the winter.
9:00 a.m. at your station, mask on.
On your feet.
Blamed for someone else's mistake (not allowed to defend yourself).
Boss treats you like nothing.
People complain.
Someone gets fired this round of cuts.
Petrified you're next.
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BobbyNCorpus
10:15 AM on 02/10/2012
Republicans seem to have a hard on for everyone but themselves.
05:32 PM on 02/09/2012
One other thing, "Sponsors said the two-year halt in wage increases will save the government $60 billion."
So, "save" means what? Does it instead of injecting $60 billion back into the economy in the form of wages to federal employees, it will "save" the money...where does it go? How does ithis action stimulate the economy? According to an economist friend of mine, in order to pay the $60 billion in Federal salaries, approximately 40 percent more must be collected in taxes (to pay for the collection, processing, disbursement, etc.) So, if you are going to freeze the federal pay, why not stop collecting the taxes that pay for it and keep that $84 billion in the economy? I could buy into that, as it would actually keep more money in the economy than would be injected with the $60 billion dollars the feds would have otherwise made, but where is this money now? Not in the economy in the hands of non-federal or federal taxpayers.
04:47 PM on 02/09/2012
Freezing federal salaries may have unintended consequences: driving the smarter, more educated people out of government. Differences in wages between federal employees and similar private-sector employees in the 2005-2010 period varied widely depending on the employees' level of education.

Federal civilian workers with no more than a high school education earned about 21 percent more, on average, than similar workers in the private sector.
Workers whose highest level of education was a bachelor's degree earned roughly the same hourly wages, on average, in both the federal government and the private sector.
Federal workers with a professional degree or doctorate earned about 23 percent less, on average, than their private-sector counterparts.
Overall, the federal government paid 2 percent more in total wages than it would have if average wages had been comparable with those in the private sector, after accounting for certain observable characteristics of workers.
ProCynic
Weak minds become partisan, demonizing others.
09:16 PM on 02/02/2012
For all those that are speculating about what we get as Federal employees, one of you that think we are over paid and have more benefits that our private sector counterparts, please explain to me what you think our benefits are?
11:12 PM on 02/08/2012
Sick pay, vacation pay, pension, healthcare, dental care. Did I forget anything?
04:13 AM on 02/12/2012
people in the private sector get sick pay, vacation pay as well

fed gov't employees pay a big chunk for healthcare and dental care...not just from every pay check, but everytime we visit the doctor and dentist, amounts not covered by insurance on top of the deductible
04:14 AM on 02/12/2012
I've got years and years to go before I collect any pensions...heck, I might be dead before then.
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MyAhaMoment
What do you want to do today Brain?
04:28 PM on 02/02/2012
Just another case of how to lie with statistics.

"The CBO noted in its report that it incorporated BLS data but used a different methodology. And it acknowledged that its estimates of the differences in benefits between the two sectors are more uncertain than its estimates of the differences in wages."

And the Bureau of Labor statistics puts the favor to the private sector by 26%
So let's twist it and spin it until it sounds like we want it to.

Bash the teachers...they make too much money
Bash the police and fire...they make too much money
Bash federal workers...they make too much money
But don't bash me...I earn my money

Keep on eating the BS and voting for these people...until they get into your pocket.
05:16 PM on 02/09/2012
word...
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MyAhaMoment
What do you want to do today Brain?
04:16 PM on 02/02/2012
What these mental midgets can't comprehend, is that federal workers also pay taxes on their income, therefore are essentially helping to pay their own wages. in the meantime, we're also spending our income to support other peoples wages.
I believe the republican party has misunderstood the phrase.."small enough to drown in a bathtub" He meant the legistlation, not all the employees.
And don't start yammering about how worthless federal employees are, unless you've contacted Social Security directly, or MediCare directly, you most likely have never come into contact with a federal employee...except your stupid congress person...who is the most LAZY and well paid federal employee, suckling on the teat of government.
11:16 PM on 02/08/2012
Nobody is yammering how worthless federal employees are. The facts show they make MORE than their counterparts in the private sector. Our Senate has NOT passed a budget in more than 1000 days....yet they are demanding MORE tax dollars to attempt to keep up with their out-of-control spending spree...you know...on Obama's pet projects like Solyndra.

Anyway....Americans are hurting. People in the private sector are getting pay cuts. Federal employees need to tighten their belts and not expect a pay raise when they are already making more than their counterparts in the private sector and expect the private sector to foot the bill for their pay raises.
05:15 PM on 02/09/2012
The federal government is smaller than it has ever been on a per capita basis. There are now only 8 federal workers serving every 1,000 Americans, the lowest ratio ever in our history. How can you wring blood from rocks? Freezing salaries and demanding more is a good way to drive well educated, underpaid federal workers (look at what the higher levels of education earn compared to their private sector counterparts) out of service.
04:19 AM on 02/12/2012
why don't we just freeze the rich politicians' salary and cut their salaries in half or more? they are the ones that are eating up our hard earn dollars. stop supporting war after war and leave us poor federal employees alone.
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SofaKing22
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03:45 PM on 02/02/2012
It's funny to see the same Mr. Duffy as in this video as a sponsor for this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAAtSVQyXZU
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akrazyrunner
Without healthcare, freedom is just a theory
03:04 PM on 02/02/2012
Here's hypocrisy for you.
The Republicans campaign on how the President "stole" $500,000,000.00 from Medicare by SLOWING the GROWTH RATE at which hospitals get paid, but Federal workers can't even get a .5% increase in pay. Pathetic!
11:18 PM on 02/08/2012
Gosh....didn't the president steal $500,000,000 of our tax dollars to blow on his campaign donor buddies at Solyndra. And then he modified the loan to make sure the tax payers get screwed in the likely event that the worthless company goes bankrupt?

Funny how the libs don't like to talk about that.
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akrazyrunner
Without healthcare, freedom is just a theory
11:31 PM on 02/08/2012
I would enjoy an actual discussion about Solyndra and the technology behind it.
However, I have the feeling you haven't a clue of what went on including the $25 million the Republican Governor of California gave them in tax breaks. Somehow I think Fox News didn't cover that and since they didn't cover that or the $100 million in revenue they generate in 2009 you just might be short on facts and just full of attitude
01:29 PM on 02/02/2012
Salary of US Presidents $450,000 for life
Salary of House/Senate Members $174,000 for life
Salary of the Speaker of the House $223,500 for life
Salary of Maj/Minority Leaders $193,400 for life
Avg Salary of a Soldier Deployed in Afghanistan $38,000
Avg Income for Seniors on Soc Security $12,000

I think we found where the cuts should be made!
01:23 PM on 02/02/2012
I agree 100% they don't need a raise right now... their benefits are enough... In fact our Govt. needs to hold the line on their pay as well .. for at least another 10 years. They are way over paid.
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MyAhaMoment
What do you want to do today Brain?
04:18 PM on 02/02/2012
Bite me! I make 42K a year. What's your salary?
04:26 PM on 02/02/2012
yea you make 42 a year with a great retirement plan and health care and lots of days off and do very little in a days work.
11:20 PM on 02/08/2012
Not to mention that it literally takes an act of congress to fire one of those lazy gub'ment workers who think they have it so bad because they have a job that pays $42K/year...plus healthcare, plus sick time, plus vacation time, plus retirement pension.

Poor babies! Maybe they should quit and get a job in the private sector to see how much better it is (dripping in sarcasm).
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Nosybear
Liar, damned liar and statistician
01:00 PM on 02/02/2012
Now THAT'S stimulative. Really should increase the aggregate demand with that decision, you betcha!
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Keen Observer
11:34 AM on 02/02/2012
This is nothing but a transparent, cr@ss ploy, and it sets a dangerous precedent. The Senate should not allow this to take place. These are middle class workers and wages, and I oppose anything that puts downward pressure on middle classes wages at this time. All this does is allow them to continue the completely non-productive tax cuts for the wealthy, when that money would do much more good for the economy if it was going to paying for necessary services for our country. Plus it sets a dangerous precedent to allow them to separate military pay from civilian civil service employee pay. How politically easy and convenient is that? The focus should be on the fact that other workers have not gotten a raise in several decades even though corporate profits are through the roof. They're pay should be raised, we shouldn't be racing towards the bottom for middle class workers.
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11:43 AM on 02/02/2012
This is factual. This report was authored by federal employee, professionals.

I know this does not jibe with some politics. But in this case, there are federal employees that are doing well. No cuts should be asked, just no increases for a few years. It is called shared sacrifice.

Of course self interest will not allow anyone to acknowledge what has now been proven if it is inconvenient, the reaction to this is about greed.

How are people who argue with what is proven any different than climate change deniers.
11:21 PM on 02/08/2012
Don't you know....libs don't EVER want to sacrifice...they just want OTHER people to sacrifice....for them.
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11:30 AM on 02/02/2012
non-partisan CBO study of federal pay - authored by federal employees - "Federal Government Pay Tops Businesses: CBO Report"

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/federal-government-pay-tops-businesses-cbo-report/

I think we should raise federal pay, lets double it.
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dkrypt
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11:28 AM on 02/02/2012
Since federal workers make more (on average) than their private counterparts in total compensation, this is long overdue, and should be extended indefinitely
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Durt Bagg
I know dirt.
11:30 AM on 02/02/2012
Without documentation your comment is just your opinion, and a wrong one at that.
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11:44 AM on 02/02/2012
Search "CBO federal pay" you can read the report that has been released by career federal employees that supports this posters argument. So you need to withdraw your comment.
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dkrypt
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11:52 AM on 02/02/2012
Without the ability to do a google search, your fantasy-based opinions should be disregarded at all times
ProCynic
Weak minds become partisan, demonizing others.
11:31 AM on 02/02/2012
You are incorrect. As a Federal employee, part of my job is to work along side my private sector counterparts and I know they make 1.5-2 times what I make, or more.
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11:46 AM on 02/02/2012
You know nothing. The career professionals at CBO have proven and provided evidence what is posted above is true.

You may not like this, but it is a fact.

Your argument is like someone denying climate change because of one cold month.
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dkrypt
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ProCynic
Weak minds become partisan, demonizing others.
11:27 AM on 02/02/2012
As a Federal employee I can tell you that I semi-support this. When they froze our pay we were told that it would be for a limited time. Now they want to extend it. If they want to extend the freeze, it would be nice to say that it will not be extended beyond 2013 and that they will make up the loss over a specified schedule.

As for being overpaid, HAH! Part of my job is to work along side my private industry counterparts (Microsoft, Deloitte, IBM, etc). At my level in the government, my counterparts are senior management in these companies (not execs). They are making a minimum of half again my salary, but more often, twice or higher.

I've turned down a few offers to leave Government and take twice my salary. Others haven't turned down the offers. The brain drain happens because we can't get good people to STAY in government. I feel the duty to stay. Don't say its for the terrific benefits, most of that has changed. I have pretty much the same benefits package as I did when I worked in the IC industry. I'm on the "new" retirement plan that gives me a 401k-like Thrift Savings Plan, not the cushy government pension older employees have.

Most base their idea of our pay and benefits on the old "My Brother's Neighbor's Cousin is a Federal Employee and I know for a fact..."
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11:48 AM on 02/02/2012
There was a study published this week by the CBO and it was data driven and authored by career federal employees who are professionals in this kind of analysis.

Where is the bias?

I do not think federal employees are bad, lazy, but know many who are as good as anyone. But to argue against what is provable by data is illogical and makes federal employees appear to be self interested and unwilling to sacrifice.
ProCynic
Weak minds become partisan, demonizing others.
11:55 AM on 02/02/2012
Oh, I guess you're right. Glad I didn't take that job. My math must be wrong when I look at my W2 and see what I was paid and to see what they were offering me. A cold report is always better than someone who is holding their own paycheck.

I prefer frontline experience. Go talk to a Federal employee and find out for yourself. Oh, wait, you are talking to one, you just choose to ignore it because you have your own agenda.
01:43 PM on 02/02/2012
As a civilian I worked for a Govt. Agency as a sub contractor and I can tell you this is not always so that the counterpart makes more than the Govt. Employee. Govt. employees always made more than I did and their benefits were much better than mine.
ProCynic
Weak minds become partisan, demonizing others.
05:19 PM on 02/02/2012
There is a critical difference betwee an inside contractor who has a seat next to their government office mates and the true private sector. I could pick up a phone right now and tell a VP at a major software company that I would take the job and double my salary and have just as good benefits. That is my yard stick.