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Kansas Immigration Law: Kansas's Business Owners Ask Legislators To Start Program To Give Undocumented Immigrants Hard-To-Fill Jobs

Kansas Immigration Law

First Posted: 02/ 1/2012 8:56 am Updated: 02/ 2/2012 3:16 am

TOPEKA, Kan. -- An architect of state and local laws cracking down on illegal immigration is a leading Republican officeholder in Kansas, but business groups in his home state are asking legislators to move in the opposite direction by starting an unusual program designed to give undocumented immigrants hard-to-fill jobs.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a former law professor who helped draft tough laws against illegal immigration in Alabama and Arizona, criticized the new Kansas proposal Tuesday as "amnesty" for people who've come to the U.S. illegally. A spokeswoman said Gov. Sam Brownback, a fellow Republican, isn't supporting the measure.

But Brownback's agriculture secretary has acknowledged having several conversations with federal homeland security officials about potential labor shortages. The coalition pushing the new program includes agriculture groups with memberships that traditionally lean toward the GOP, as well as the Kansas Chamber of Commerce, another stalwart supporter of conservative Republicans.

Utah has a guest worker program, but it isn't set to start until January 2013, and its enactment was part of a legislative package that included initiatives in line with Kobach's thinking on immigration. States with large populations of undocumented immigrants - including California, Florida and Texas - don't have their own programs.

The Kansas proposal was described as "unprecedented" by Wendy Sefsaf, spokeswoman for the Washington-based Immigration Policy Council. She said she is skeptical that the federal government would allow such a program, though she's sympathetic toward its goals.

"Maybe it's a good thing to have a counterbalance to Kris Kobach," she said.

The new proposal complicates the debate over immigration in Kansas where, ironically, Kobach and his allies in the GOP-controlled Legislature haven't been able to pass the same tough measures enacted in other states. It also could split Republican majorities enough that nothing of either stripe passes in an election year.

Kobach said he doesn't see the business groups' proposals as a poke at him but rather as confirmation that some employers want to keep hiring undocumented immigrants to suppress wages. He also said they're out of touch with legislators and Kansas voters.

"Their bill is a legal impossibility and a political fantasy," he said. "I don't take it personally at all."

The new program proposed by the groups would create a pool of immigrant workers that businesses could tap after the state certifies a labor shortage in their industries. The state would support requests from individual workers for the federal government to authorize them to continue working in the U.S., despite not being able to document that they are in the country legally.

Representatives of the groups pushing the plan provided a draft of legislation to The Associated Press ahead of its formal introduction in the House and Senate. The program would apply to undocumented immigrants in the U.S. at least five years, if they've committed no felonies and not more than one misdemeanor, and if they agree to work at becoming proficient in English. Businesses hiring the immigrants would have to follow federal labor laws.

The Washington-based Pew Hispanic Center estimates that Kansas had 45,000 undocumented immigrant workers in 2010, accounting for about 3 percent of its workforce. State officials and supporters of the business groups' plan don't yet have hard numbers on how many jobs are in danger of going unfilled, but unemployment rates in the western half of the state were mostly less than 4 percent in December, well below the statewide figure of 5.9 percent.

Backers of the proposal believe their new program would be helpful to commercial dairies and feedlots in western Kansas, as well as landscaping, roofing and some construction businesses.

"The key is, these are people that are in Kansas," said Allie Devine, a Topeka attorney and former state agriculture secretary who lobbies for business owners on immigration policy. "We're asking to keep those people here, let them remain and let them work."

Utah legislators created their state's guest-worker program last year, and Georgia legislators directed their state to study the idea. There were two unsuccessful proposals last year in Texas, and lawmakers are pursuing the idea in California, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Sefsaf predicted the federal government will block such efforts, just as it has tried to block laws like Alabama's and Arizona's, as encroaching on its power to set national immigration policy. Kobach agreed.

Meanwhile, some signals from Brownback's administration on immigration issues have been mixed - perhaps reflecting the split among key groups of supporters.

A new policy imposed Oct. 1 by the state Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services reduced or denied food stamps benefits to hundreds of U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants.

But last week, state Agriculture Secretary Dale Rodman publicly discussed the possibility of getting a waiver from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to allow agriculture businesses to hire undocumented immigrants in jobs they're having trouble filling.

Department of Agriculture spokeswoman Chelsea Good said Tuesday that while Rodman has spoken several times with federal officials about labor problems in agriculture, the agency hasn't submitted a formal waiver request. The coalition's representatives said their proposal would make a waiver unnecessary.

Brownback spokeswoman Sherriene Jones-Sontag said the business groups' plan is not on the governor's legislative agenda, but it's still expected to get a hearing from legislators - alongside proposals pursued by Kobach's allies.

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Spock
Milky Way Pedestrian
05:46 PM on 02/02/2012
Another example of republican ideas turning out to be wrong and not very useful to the country.
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Joel Wischkaemper
01:46 AM on 02/02/2012
Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, architect of some of the most controversial anti-illegal immigrant state laws

Read more: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/02/01/kansas-business-leaders-want-state-to-allow-undocumented-to-work/#ixzz1lChWqQMx
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Enforcing the laws of the land is not a controversial thing to do... it is what the American People want the Democrats.. the people running the Federal Government.. to do. We have wanted them to enforce the law and they refused to do that. The rouge Kansas business leaders and the United States Chamber of Commerce are so anti American it is remarkable. But they have also summoned up bogus 'reports' that have no references and a great deal of ancetodal street talk that the supporters of the illegal aliens thoroughly support. And in all of that effort, we are discovering there are many, many more illegal aliens in this country taking American Jobs than the 11 million the Democrats, and Bush before them, reported.

The just demands of the citizens remain: enforce the immigration law.
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Milky Way Pedestrian
05:44 PM on 02/02/2012
The Obama administration has deported more people than Bush did.
09:40 PM on 02/01/2012
The US Chamber of Commerce is the greatest enemy to the employment of citizens, over illegal aliens.
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LMPE
I connect the most dissimilar things
07:42 PM on 02/01/2012
I doubt that this has much chance of passing. Let's not forget that Kansas is the land of Sam Brownback and Fred Phelps.
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inthedesert
Those who never question will fall for anything.
06:42 PM on 02/01/2012
This is NOT going to happen my friends. LMAO.
05:27 PM on 02/01/2012
hahahahahahaha! after all the moaning and complaining about illegal immigrants and how they're "stealing all the jobs" now people are BEGGING for them back. LOL. I knew this would happen. Americans can't and won't do the jobs that Latino immigrants do.
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
06:22 PM on 02/01/2012
LOL ~ illegals are unauthorized to work in the USA
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Joel Wischkaemper
01:49 AM on 02/02/2012
No.. just the folks who want to cheat the American People.
12:31 PM on 02/01/2012
Wonder if these potential workers will be have to pass criminal history and medical checks, and waive any right to public-funded assistance - the way legal immigrants are required to do..... Will the families of these potential workers be allowed to stay too?

I see an administrative/enforcement nightmare on the horizon.
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Buzzm1
12:13 PM on 02/01/2012
the unemployment rate in Alabama has dropped from almost 10%, to 8%
since they enforced laws against unlawful immigration four months ago
02:14 PM on 02/01/2012
And crops are rotting in the fields.

Don't complain as food prices climb.
02:28 PM on 02/01/2012
Your info is faulty. Farmers are adjusting and are even (GASP) considering using LEGAL guest workers. They can get an unlimited amount of those.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-01-20/georgia-alabama-farmers-immigration/52699204/1

Labor costs are 10% or less of total costs for fruits/veges. If there are any price increases, they'll be negligible.
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Viper1st
multi quasi faceted
03:18 PM on 02/01/2012
I haven't noticed either, an increase in the price of tomatoes, nor a shortage in the supply of tomatoes at grocery store I patronize.

Sorry, that you're experiencing supply & pricing problems
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Buzzm1
12:10 PM on 02/01/2012
give them an inch, and they will take a mile.....
AllegroTroppo
Appeaser feeds crocodile hopes to be eaten last
11:51 AM on 02/01/2012
Guest worker program could only work if it has very strict provisions preventing guest workers from manipulating the program to remain indefinitely in U.S.
11:46 AM on 02/01/2012
"To fill 'hard-to-fill' jobs....."

TRANSLATION: To give Illegal Immigrants jobs at wages so low, only they would be willing to work them.

This is going to go over like a f*rt in church.
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Joel Wischkaemper
01:53 AM on 02/02/2012
If we don't vote on this issue.. they are going to use the American People for target practice.
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Emma2011
10:36 AM on 02/01/2012
This will clearly not fly. They would be much better off pushing their US Senators, Representatives and the Obama administration to pass federal immigration reform in 2012 including broad legalization.
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RobietheCat
Altruism with someone else's money isn't
04:54 PM on 02/01/2012
Sure let's legalize guys like this "broadly":

ANAHEIM – Two brothers arrested on suspicion of keeping high-powered weaponry and ammunition, including a loaded assault rifle, in an Anaheim home are expected to appear in court this week.

Acting on a tip that Esteban Muniz, 32, and Jose Muniz, 24, were in possession of a large amount of weaponry and ammunition, detectives from the Santa Ana Police Department Gang Suppression Unit carried out a search warrant at the brothers' residence in the 200 block of Chantilly Street in Anaheim, Santa Ana police Cpl. Anthony Bertagna said.

Acting on a tip that Esteban Muniz, 32 (left), and Jose Muniz, 24, were in possession of a large amount of weaponry and ammunition, detectives from the Santa Ana Police Department Gang Suppression Unit carried out a search warrant at the brothers' residence in the 200 block of Chantilly Street in Anaheim, Santa Ana police Cpl. Anthony Bertagna said.

The search turned up a variety of weapons, including an AK-47, high-powered rifles, at least one assault rifle that had been altered to be automatic, a baton, flak jackets and ammunition, Bertagna added."

- Do illegal aliens have 2nd Amendment rights?

link: http://www.ocregister.com/news/muniz-338342-esteban-police.html
02:38 PM on 02/03/2012
Well, remember, Latinos do not see Latino Criminals as bad guys, just other Latino bro's that the White man is keeping down.
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Viper1st
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09:58 AM on 02/01/2012
Here's a thought ~ how about "we" forcus on putting 13.2 million U.S. Citizens to work with U.S. Business Owners paying a livable wage ~ FIRST

Instead of worrying about the 11.2 million illegals in the USA, unauthorized to work ~ sending over $30 billion USD, a year, out of the U.S. Economy to the homelands of their citizenship allegiances?

13.2 million U.S. Citizens, out of work in their own homeland, for the past consecutive 36 months, trying to feed, clothe, shelter & educate THEIR Children, with NO JOBS

Since November 6, 1986 ~ It's been a Federal Felony for U.S. Employers to hire illegals in the USA.

U.S.C. 8 § 1324a : US Code - Section 1324A: Unlawful employment of aliens

Unscrupulous U.S. Employers, aiding & abeting illegals, ARE THE PROBLEM, not the solution to 8.5%+ U.S. Unemployment Rate since February 2009.
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BlairCase
09:45 AM on 02/01/2012
Kansas farmers can legally import all the migrant labor they want by using the federal goernments H-2A Temporary Agricultural Workers program. The program brings seasonal workers from Mexico and other countries into the United States. The program currently brings about 40,000 migrant workers into the United States. Farmers know about it, but it's underused because farmers have to pay the H-2A workers the same wages they would pay American workers. A recent Huffington Post article tells how Alabama farmers are reacting to the state's enactment of stiff anti-illegal immiration laws by hiring more H-2A workers and increrasing wages in hopes of attract U.S. workers. It's doubtful that Kansas could set up its own program to import migrant workers from Mexico. The state has no authority to issue work visas.
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Sebastin Emmanuel Mata
A Voice for the Voiceless
09:58 AM on 02/01/2012
Great copypasta but you forget that this proposed bill isn't just for agriculture. Secondly, the state isn't authorizing visas, it's just allowing them to work, which legally is quite different from a visa.
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BlairCase
11:22 AM on 02/01/2012
The state can't pass a law that allows illegal immigrants to work. This would violate federal laws.
12:53 PM on 02/01/2012
The H-2A program is NOT limited to agriculture. Nice bash on copy & paste. Maybe, YOU should actually understand a comment before commenting.

The farmers, restaurant & manual labor shop owners brought this situation on themselves by failing to offer a legal labor market rate. They can still bring in unlimited H-2A seasonal workers, but they cost a little more and they are not allowed to treat them like slaves. Unfortunately, they decided to cheat the system (& the taxpayers) and hire illegally.

The bill hurts the USA’s most vulnerable low skilled workers through wage suppression.
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freedom1947
sarcasm, cynicism
10:33 AM on 02/01/2012
These jobs still aren't desk jobs.