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Kansas Proposal To Allow Hiring Of Undocumented Immigrants Clashes With State's Hardliners

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Posted: 02/ 1/2012 9:59 am

TOPEKA, Kan. -- An architect of state and local laws cracking down on undocumented immigration is a leading Republican officeholder in Kansas, but business groups in his home state are asking legislators to move in the opposite direction by starting an unusual program designed to give undocumented immigrants hard-to-fill jobs.

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, a former law professor who helped draft tough laws against undocumented immigration in Alabama and Arizona, criticized the new Kansas proposal Tuesday as "amnesty" for people who've come to the U.S. without documentation. A spokeswoman said Gov. Sam Brownback, a fellow Republican, isn't supporting the measure.

But Brownback's agriculture secretary has acknowledged having several conversations with federal homeland security officials about potential labor shortages. The coalition pushing the new program includes agriculture groups with memberships that traditionally lean toward the GOP, as well as the Kansas Chamber of Commerce, another stalwart supporter of conservative Republicans.

Utah has a guest worker program, but it isn't set to start until January 2013, and its enactment was part of a legislative package that included initiatives in line with Kobach's thinking on immigration. States with large populations of undocumented immigrants - including California, Florida and Texas - don't have their own programs.

The Kansas proposal was described as "unprecedented" by Wendy Sefsaf, spokeswoman for the Washington-based Immigration Policy Council. She said she is skeptical that the federal government would allow such a program, though she's sympathetic toward its goals.

"Maybe it's a good thing to have a counterbalance to Kris Kobach," she said.

The new proposal complicates the debate over immigration in Kansas where, ironically, Kobach and his allies in the GOP-controlled Legislature haven't been able to pass the same tough measures enacted in other states. It also could split Republican majorities enough that nothing of either stripe passes in an election year.

Kobach said he doesn't see the business groups' proposals as a poke at him but rather as confirmation that some employers want to keep hiring undocumented immigrants to suppress wages. He also said they're out of touch with legislators and Kansas voters.

"Their bill is a legal impossibility and a political fantasy," he said. "I don't take it personally at all."

The new program proposed by the groups would create a pool of immigrant workers that businesses could tap after the state certifies a labor shortage in their industries. The state would support requests from individual workers for the federal government to authorize them to continue working in the U.S., despite not being able to document that they are in the country legally.

Representatives of the groups pushing the plan provided a draft of legislation to The Associated Press ahead of its formal introduction in the House and Senate. The program would apply to undocumented immigrants in the U.S. at least five years, if they've committed no felonies and not more than one misdemeanor, and if they agree to work at becoming proficient in English. Businesses hiring the immigrants would have to follow federal labor laws.

The Washington-based Pew Hispanic Center estimates that Kansas had 45,000 undocumented immigrant workers in 2010, accounting for about 3 percent of its workforce. State officials and supporters of the business groups' plan don't yet have hard numbers on how many jobs are in danger of going unfilled, but unemployment rates in the western half of the state were mostly less than 4 percent in December, well below the statewide figure of 5.9 percent.

Backers of the proposal believe their new program would be helpful to commercial dairies and feedlots in western Kansas, as well as landscaping, roofing and some construction businesses.

"The key is, these are people that are in Kansas," said Allie Devine, a Topeka attorney and former state agriculture secretary who lobbies for business owners on immigration policy. "We're asking to keep those people here, let them remain and let them work."

Utah legislators created their state's guest-worker program last year, and Georgia legislators directed their state to study the idea. There were two unsuccessful proposals last year in Texas, and lawmakers are pursuing the idea in California, New Mexico and Oklahoma.

Sefsaf predicted the federal government will block such efforts, just as it has tried to block laws like Alabama's and Arizona's, as encroaching on its power to set national immigration policy. Kobach agreed.

Meanwhile, some signals from Brownback's administration on immigration issues have been mixed - perhaps reflecting the split among key groups of supporters.

A new policy imposed Oct. 1 by the state Department of Social and Rehabilitation Services reduced or denied food stamps benefits to hundreds of U.S.-born children of undocumented immigrants.

But last week, state Agriculture Secretary Dale Rodman publicly discussed the possibility of getting a waiver from the U.S. Department of Homeland Security to allow agriculture businesses to hire undocumented immigrants in jobs they're having trouble filling.

Department of Agriculture spokeswoman Chelsea Good said Tuesday that while Rodman has spoken several times with federal officials about labor problems in agriculture, the agency hasn't submitted a formal waiver request. The coalition's representatives said their proposal would make a waiver unnecessary.

Brownback spokeswoman Sherriene Jones-Sontag said the business groups' plan is not on the governor's legislative agenda, but it's still expected to get a hearing from legislators - alongside proposals pursued by Kobach's allies.

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TOPEKA, Kan. -- An architect of state and local laws cracking down on undocumented immigration is a leading Republican officeholder in Kansas, but business groups in his home state are asking legislat...
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smartcindy
Illegitimata Non Carborundum...
02:48 AM on 02/04/2012
I am sorry to have to admit the puny person that I am sometimes, but when I see the Rightwingers and business community fighting, I get a happy little feeling in the pit of my stomach. While I detest wrestling, somehow I seem to appreciate watching a snake swallowing it's own tail...
gibraltar
Put in D to go forward to go backwards put it in R
02:36 PM on 02/01/2012
Vote Idiot get Idiotic results!
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Buzzm1
02:20 PM on 02/01/2012
ASK ALABAMA: Enforcement against illegal immigration dropped their employment rate from 10% to 8% IN FOUR MONTHS http://bit.ly/oBuTUd
01:35 PM on 02/01/2012
But, the Right tells us there are no labor shortages......
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demotom
rebel with a cause
01:17 PM on 02/01/2012
Is it not interesting that Kansas, one of the leading meccas of radical conservative belief and action, is considering a proposal to allow undocumented workers to hold jobs in Kansas? What those in favor of the proposal want to be able to hire undocumented workers at very low wages and no rights nor benefits to work in the meat packing industry and the agricultural businesses which dominate the Kansas economy. Being an undocumented worker in this country is like being a slave without being called a slave. Now, some in Kansas want to offer slavery to undocumented workers so the owners of the firms needing slave labor can skip merrily down to the bank, humming "Somewhere Over The Rainbow" as they go along the yellow brick road to the bank. What is happening in Kansas is the direct result of voting Republican without thinking about it.
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
12:57 PM on 02/01/2012
Offer living wages to the workers hired, and all of a sudden the jobs won't be hard to fill.
Simple business 101.
But Greed 405 overrules the logic.
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Sue McFarland
02:21 PM on 02/01/2012
Uh--doesn't quite work that way. I live in Western Kansas--and we are very thinly populated, especially compared to most other areas of the country. We get somewhere between 13-17" of rain/snow a year--which means the small city where I live has, at a little less than 19,000 probably grown as much as it should, considering the water resources--or lack thereof.

The work we are talking about involves working in all kinds of weather, from 0 degrees with wind chill factors of 15 below or worse to 105 degrees during the hot part of the summer. It also involves a lot of hard physical labor--and a lot of our young people are moving away to the bigger cities like Denver, Kansas City, Dallas, etc. because of better opportunities. That leaves middle-aged or older workers to do work they really aren't capable of doing. And oh yeah--do you really want to pay as much as $5/lb for ground beef--which is what would happen if these jobs aren't filled. Reason: Supply and Demand. Supply will fall because owners/businesses aren't going to be willing or able, for that matter, to pay higher wages and lure younger people out here; hence, because the supply is limited, demand will increase and prices will soar. Satisfied??
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
02:44 PM on 02/01/2012
Sorry to hear how unhappy you are to live in your chosen area.
The businesses know they could hire workers, house them and manage them, if they paid them a FAIR wage for the work they do.
Calling a job "too hard to fill" really just means, "we won't pay enough to fill it".
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demisfine
Often correct, NEVER right.
12:56 PM on 02/01/2012
What a sham.
When the immigrants pose to help business, THEN it's ok for them to be here -
BUT when they serve as a scape goat for Politicians they become ILLEGALS, to be victimized at every turn.
Hypocrisy from the GOP. Big Surprise.
12:30 PM on 02/01/2012
It is called cutting your nose off to spite your face, idealogy over common sense.
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errol44
Just in town for the GOP circus
12:06 PM on 02/01/2012
After Alabama passed hard-line, anti-immigant laws, undocumented workers fled the state. Ironically, farmers found they could not replace these workers and they lost over a billion dollars and could ultimately cost the state over $2.3 billion.

So... if the Kansas ruling class' hatredof nonwhites trumps their economic interests, I say, go for it.
11:53 AM on 02/01/2012
Immigration is about wage suppression. It's all about hurting workers. Wages are determined by supply and demand. When the supply is increased then wages go down. So it's no wonder when politicians and corporate stooges say "immigration is central to the US economy". Yes, it is central to keeping wages down.
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panichead
Fighting for peace is like screaming for quiet
11:50 AM on 02/01/2012
......also, does anyone else think that the name Brownback sounds about as disgusting as it gets?
11:48 AM on 02/01/2012
Funny I bet that most of the small business owners that hire illegals are Republican. When you are hired you have to have proof of your citizenship those who hire illegals know full well what they are doing.
11:54 AM on 02/01/2012
Give it a rest. BOTH parties favor illegal labor and immigration. Both parties represent employers and hate working people. Both parties want to drive down wages.
12:15 PM on 02/01/2012
You could be right but the right wants to break unions and even though I am not a union worker I am smart enough to know that a percentage of may salary is do to unions. if they break that percent goes to the owners of the company I work for who have stashed 10 million for their grand children
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panichead
Fighting for peace is like screaming for quiet
11:47 AM on 02/01/2012
This is what happens when you take political donations from big business and the Chamber of Commerce. This is exactly why we do not have a resonable solution to immigration reform. In the Rep. eyes it's just a lot easier to blame Obama for all of their stupid legislation and keep kicking the can down the road. If you make it so that undocumented workers cannot get a job they won't come across the border illegally. That would make a lot more sense then the draconian laws that the Reps. put forth. The Reps. are all about violating peoples civil rights then hiding behind the mask of trying to blame the President for not doing his job. It's basically a smokescreen to view the President as weak on immigration. To think we are going to solve the problem by going door to door to check people "papers" is ludicrious. If anyone believes that will solve the problem then maybe that could be a reasonable way to do away with the scourge of illegal weapons in this country while we are rounding up human beings. Now whose civil rights are being violated? Illegal gun owners and the NRA would be up in arms about this practice.
11:47 AM on 02/01/2012
For an illuminating and heart-breaking story about how this law impacts both businesses and individuals, along with comments by a Republican state senator who was an original co-sponsor of the bill but is now working to amend it and some pretty chilling discussion by Kris Kobach (mentioned above), check this story, which aired on NPR last week: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/ It's a little lengthy, but worth the time to listen to the entire article.
11:45 AM on 02/01/2012
It's like listening to scratched records then going to hear the music in concert. The scratched records know longer satisfy. Knowing what it's like to have a well paid job then having to have a low paid job is not appealing. American's know they don't want to do the jobs eg. Mexicans do, maybe some do, but not all jobs will ever be filled the way Mexicans can.