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Republicans Aim To Ban Use Of Welfare Debit Cards At Strip Clubs, Liquor Stores

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First Posted: 02/ 1/2012 4:16 pm Updated: 02/ 1/2012 10:24 pm

Struggling families will no longer be allowed to withdraw welfare funds at automated teller machines in liquor stores, casinos or strip clubs if Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives get their way.

The House overwhelmingly approved a bill on Wednesday to push states to ban welfare debit card withdrawals at liquor stores and "naughty" venues, a practice highlighted in a handful of news stories over the past couple of years. The proposal is unlikely to be taken up by the Senate, but it could be folded into a broader legislative package, currently in the works, to reauthorize a payroll tax cut and a federal unemployment insurance measure by the end of the month.

"We have an obligation to root out any kind of fraud and abuse and waste of taxpayer dollars," bill sponsor Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.) told HuffPost. "At a time you want to insure that every federal program we have has proper integrity and the money is actually getting to needy families, to needy children, this is something we need to act upon."

As the impetus for the legislation, Boustany's office cited news stories about welfare benefits being withdrawn from ATMs in strip clubs or liquor stores in eight states.

"This is another example of setting policies based on attention-grabbing news stories with little connection to the underlying reality and that are designed to reinforce the 'unworthy poor' stereotype," said Elizabeth Lower-Basch, a senior analyst at the Center for Law and Social Policy, a progressive D.C. think tank. "There's no evidence that this is a widespread problem. And even when funds are withdrawn in those locations, it doesn't mean that people are gambling away their benefits."

Welfare, formally known as the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program, supported about 1.8 million American families in 2011 each month, with benefits averaging just a few hundred dollars. Since the passage of welfare reform in 1996, recipient rolls have not risen to meet increased economic need. Caseloads increased just 14 percent during the recession that started in 2007 even as the unemployment rate nearly doubled, according to the Urban Institute.

Lower-Basch called the bill an effort to "micromanage" a federal and state program that already gives states a lot of flexibility. Several states featured in news stories have already cracked down and ordered strip club and casino ATMs reprogrammed so they can not accept welfare debit cards, she noted.

"Some states have taken action; others have not," Boustany said. "Since it is federal dollars, I believe there is a federal role for laying out the guidelines."

Though only 26 Democrats voted against the bill, several attacked it on the House floor. Rep. Gwen Moore (D-Wis.) pointed out that if there really were welfare beneficiaries hellbent on spending their benefits at strip clubs, the measure wouldn't actually stop them. "It is just another effort to berate those people who are in the lower class," she said.

Answering that charge, Boustany claimed Republicans are committed to preserving the integrity of the welfare program. "These abuses erode public confidence in the program, and we want to make sure that that doesn’t happen," he said. "We see this as a valuable program, and it's certainly helped many needed families."

Opponents of Boustany's measure claim that since practice of withdrawals at these types of ATMs is not widespread, the bill amounts to a high-profile effort to damage public confidence in welfare. In California, Less than half of 1 percent of benefits were withdrawn in casinos and adult entertainment locations and there's no evidence the money was spent where it was withdrawn, according to the Western Center on Law and Poverty.

The ban on welfare card withdrawals at casinos and strip clubs previously passed the House as part of a broad spending bill in December. Other provisions of that measure, which Republicans are pushing in negotiations over the reauthorization of the payroll tax and extended jobless aid, include drug testing for unemployed people and denying benefits to claimants who don't have high school diplomas.

This article was updated to reflect approval of the bill in the House.

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paganmist 10:20 PM on 02/01/2012
Wait, what!?

I've used ATMs in those places before - but only because in cities, sometimes they are the only ATMs around! I've gone into a strip club and used the ATM before, and I'm a woman who had no intentions of sticking around.

And-- do you know many of these places have a lobby where they keep the ATM? If there's door check, they put the ATM OUTSIDE. The ATM still belongs to them, so  Read More...
04:02 PM on 09/18/2012
I honestly see no problem with this bill. 1. Welfare money shouldn't be able to be used on ANYTHING save the bare essentials. 2. So, people can't withdraw their money at liquor stores and strip clubs, and casinos, big deal. It's not like if you can't withdraw that money there you'll never be able to get to it, it's a preventative measure to help block fraud.

And honestly, if you don't have the money for something you don't NEED, then don't buy it. If more people followed that rule, there would probably be less people on government assistance.
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Stockmanson
06:01 PM on 02/16/2012
A card that will pay for lap dances at a strip club and the drinks. Boy I gotta get me one of those!
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wendoxia
think!
08:57 PM on 01/09/2013
It does not do that. read the story.
01:29 PM on 01/24/2013
People use ATMs at strip clubs to either buy drinks or dances. Its not complicated.
09:49 PM on 02/08/2012
The decent hard-working law-abiding citizen is the one who continually is being squeezed and it will not stop until there is revolution.
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Rick Blundell
04:42 PM on 02/09/2012
Who exactly is being squeezed out? The citizen working to supply the welfare or the welfare recipient who cannot withdraw cash at a casino?
09:53 PM on 02/09/2012
Oh, and how about the poor casino owner whose customers are the victims of discrimination.
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wendoxia
think!
08:57 PM on 01/09/2013
can you read?
11:28 PM on 02/07/2012
Ah again with this debate. Let me point out to all who oppose this ban that your outcry only reinforces my argument regarding welfare recipients wasting tax payer money live a care free life style at the expense of hard working Americans. I talk more about it here: http://thedonkeyreport.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/cut-welfare-not-cops/
11:00 PM on 02/07/2012
Wow politicians wanting to stop welfare fraud and liberals crying about. And they wonder why hard working Americans think all welfare queens are junkies and criminals. I feel that if welfare were abolished than the lazy will get jobs and the junkies will die off. I talk more about it here: http://thedonkeyreport.wordpress.com/2012/02/08/cut-welfare-not-cops/
10:54 AM on 02/07/2012
Nice sounding idea, but pointless. Those who want to use their funds for naughty fun will find a way. Public funds will be wasted trying to keep them from doing it.
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Rick Blundell
04:43 PM on 02/09/2012
Under this logic, we should make no attempt to minimize welfare fraud, because people will always find a way. I would hate to see your approach on murder.
01:08 PM on 02/10/2012
Good gravy! The flaw in this particular plan is just so obvious a seven-year old could point it out. Now the drug testing was a good idea. It's just too bad our lawmakers were afraid of it. I have been drug tested for work. It's so common that I suspect the cost of it is becoming more and more reasonable.
12:58 AM on 02/07/2012
How will members of Congress pay for their lap dances?
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Rick Blundell
04:44 PM on 02/09/2012
Members of congress do not collect welfare, as they are employed and above the poverty level. Is this a serious question or are you just displaying your ignorance?
03:16 PM on 02/11/2012
It was a joke, but obviously you are dumb.
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kingbulliet
11:53 PM on 02/06/2012
A lot of posts here all in an uproar about 'WEFARE FRAUD'...well if half of that energy went into chastising the Republican Congress for fighting for deregulation on Banks, Wall St. Traders, AIG Securties fraud, etc.;even to this day, either the rollback attemps on new legislation or thwarting by defunding...America would stand a better chance of having less people apply for welfare assistance or food stamps. Funny if not so sad seeing people watch the dimes in the feeding though-all the while Corporate Fox's steal the bucks inside the hen house and eventually most of the avg. Americans rights to ever obtain a decent life through hard work-no matter whether one wants off welfare on never had any. But of course the too big to fail with huge donations & lobby guns
are a tough nut to crack. Better to take it out on the 'Wefare Queen' who, yes,..may have lost her job, or job training, (since that's required in many States as payments are dispensed).
10:57 AM on 02/06/2012
Social welfare must always come with increased government intrusion. If you don't like more government intrusion then don't implement more social welfare.
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
12:33 AM on 02/06/2012
Well this is one bill I can agree with. With the economy still barely surviving, it's good that the Republicans have put their minds together to find the true culprits for all the calamities that have hit America recently - welfare recipients.

There's certainly no getting distracted by peripheral issues like creating jobs with the Republicans . You betcha.
01:39 PM on 01/24/2013
Simple idea. It is a no brainer. Governments funds should be used to get a hand up not a hand job. How could anyone oppose it? Citizens of this country do not like hearing that millions of their dollars are being spent at the casino.
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MikeWebster
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02:25 AM on 02/03/2013
Of course they love hearing it. That's why they'll believe it regardless of whether it's true or not.
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Ruth1966
No PC, no apologies.
10:14 PM on 02/03/2012
I think this bill is a great idea.
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MikeWebster
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12:34 AM on 02/06/2012
It keeps the poor riffraff out of the strip joints, but the Republican congressmen will still be there, so no improvement really.
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Wbischo
02:07 AM on 02/07/2012
That is why they are trying to keep the "riffraff"' out, so there won't be any witnesses to see them there.
01:39 PM on 01/24/2013
At least that congressman will be paying his own way.
Beachside1
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02:38 PM on 02/03/2012
I hope people take notice to what party keeps saying that they want smaller govt but yet have no problem growing it when it comes to screwing the poor out of their money..People please vote carefully and dont let lies the right are promising just to get your vote.
01:43 PM on 01/24/2013
How would government become larger for not allowing casino ATMs to accept welfare cards? And how can you screw people out of money that is not their's in the first place? Liberals do not even try to hide all the pandering to the poor.
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jalowe1957
Poisonous epitaphs dished out periodically.
12:53 PM on 02/03/2012
This is a politically partisan form of Mauchasen syndrome, where politicians draw attention to themselves by inflicting injuries on those unable to speak for or to defend themselves.

If they are concerned about this kind of abuse, then they should bar liquor stores from honoring SNAP cards and not allow food stamps to pay for sodas, junk foods, and other foods lacking in nutritional value. They also should teach food stamp recipients how to make better food choices and help steer them towards better food options.
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Ruth1966
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10:15 PM on 02/03/2012
" they should bar liquor stores from honoring SNAP cards and not allow food stamps to pay for sodas, junk foods, and other foods lacking in nutritiona l value. They also should teach food stamp recipients how to make better food choices and help steer them towards better food options."

===I agree with that too. add it to the bill mentioned in the article!==
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MikeWebster
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12:35 AM on 02/06/2012
Even better - why not just ban all of those things. If the poor can do without them, surely noone else has a need for them.
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Beercandyman
Never deny to someone else, the rights you enjoy.
11:39 AM on 02/07/2012
Jumping jacks are good for you. Let's make them do that too!
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MyAhaMoment
Mississippi Liberal: a rare breed, indeed!
10:30 AM on 02/03/2012
"We have an obligation to root out any kind of fraud and abuse and waste of taxpayer dollars"

But only when it's money given to those lazy middle and lower class peasants.

Now my corporate supporters and business constituents, on the other hand, will get as much pork as I can write into any bill proposed.
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Beercandyman
Never deny to someone else, the rights you enjoy.
11:40 AM on 02/07/2012
I like it. No one at Exxon can get money from a strip joint! Same for Bankers...
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07:49 AM on 02/03/2012
You know this issue is why the Middle Class will always levitate towards the conservative. You cannot put a spin on what hard working people see several times during the day, 24/7. I see it at work..I see it when I go grocery shopping. Acquaintance I know, (friends of my children) have no shame proclaiming what they do with their government assistance. (They know better not to come to my house ) I even go as far as repoting them and nothing happens.
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MikeWebster
Always happy.
12:36 AM on 02/06/2012
I'd always thought it was because they were uneducated and liked putting the boot into anyone worse off than themselves.
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Rick Blundell
05:11 PM on 02/09/2012
No, the middle class wants to limit welfare because they are the ones losing the most. Through taxes and inflationary spending, the middle class is lowering their standard of living. It is only natural for people to want to keep the money they earn, and if that is not possible, ensure the money which is taken is spent appropriately.