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Jobs Report: As Many As Three Million Long-Term Unemployed Not Counted As Jobless Rate Drops

Jobs Report

First Posted: 02/ 3/2012 8:31 am Updated: 02/ 3/2012 12:34 pm

The job market is still on a long road to full recovery, but it took a big step in January.

U.S. nonfarm payrolls grew by 243,000 jobs in January, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported on Friday, up from a revised 203,000 jobs in December.

The unemployment rate declined to 8.3 percent in January, from 8.5 percent in December. But if workers who have dropped out of the labor force were included, some economists estimate, the unemployment could be higher than 10 percent.

"This report is encouraging, but it still underscores how far a distance we have to go and how many people are still long-term unemployed and disconnected from the workforce," said Harvard economist Lawrence Katz. "Even if we were willing to say that the scars of the great recession mean a couple of million people drop out permanently, we still have many years to go before we get back to where we were."

Still, the headline numbers were far better than market expectations for payroll growth of about 155,000 jobs and an unemployment rate of 8.5 percent. The Dow Jones Industrial Average rose 107 points in early trading, while the Nasdaq rose 28 points and the S&P 500 rose about 2 points.

The job growth is indeed good news for the economy, the labor market -- and for President Barack Obama's reelection chances.

Still, some perspective is in order: Total nonfarm payroll employment now stands at 132.4 million jobs, after some benchmark revisions, or about 5.6 million jobs lower than the 138 million at the peak in January 2008. In other words, it will take many more months of this sort of job growth just to get employment back to where it was four years ago.

A recent study by Washington, D.C. consulting firm Hamilton Place Strategies estimates that there may be three million long-term unemployed people who are currently not being counted by the Labor Department because they have simply given up looking for work. Signs of an improving job market might bring them back to the labor force, which would push the unemployment rate higher.

In fact, the labor force participation rate fell to 63.7 percent in January from 64 percent in December, the lowest since January 1982, suggesting workers are still leaving the labor force.

A group of workers the Bureau of Labor Statistics labels "not in the labor force" -- because they have not looked for work in more than a month -- but who currently want a job, has risen by 1.66 million since the recession began. However, this number is lower than some economists' estimates. If those 1.66 million workers were added back to the civilian labor force, then the unemployment rate would jump to 9.2 percent.

Some economists have even higher estimates of how many workers who want jobs are not being counted. For example, if the three million workers Hamilton Place Strategies estimates are out of the labor force were added back in, then that would theoretically push the jobless rate up to 10.9 percent.

By way of comparison, unemployment peaked at 10 percent in October 2009. A broad measure of unemployment, which includes workers only marginally attached to the labor force, fell to 15.1 percent, the lowest since February of 2009.

The private sector added 257,000 jobs in January, while the government sector cut 14,000. The biggest job-creating sectors were manufacturing, which added 50,000 jobs, and "leisure and hospitality" services, which added 44,000 jobs. The average private-sector work week held steady at 34.5 hours, while average hourly wages rose to $23.29 from $23.25.

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vuduvampirninjawitch
Scary yes, but I got you covered
08:39 AM on 02/17/2012
I've been reading the comments and noticed that no one is talking about the fact that 3 million people are no longer being included in the unemployment numbers, under the new 2012 method of calculating these stats. Unemployment is not going down, people! It's staying the same at best, or getting worse. From the article:

The unemployment rate declined to 8.3 percent in January, from 8.5 percent in December. But if workers who have dropped out of the labor force were included, some economists estimate, the unemployment could be higher than 10 percent.

To read this article, one would be lead to believe that we are in a full blown, but still young recovery. Couldn't be further from the truth.
12:16 PM on 02/10/2012
There are other reasons for unemployment. Remember, we are in the "Baby Boomer" retirement phase. Many of the people no longer looking are probably in this group. A friend of mine stated that he knows several people who collect unemployment at the same time they are retired. Although he repeatedly mentions "fraud upon the government", he and others are unlikely to expose their friends. Another reason no one seems to consider is that, years ago, more people used to do some type of farm work. Those farms have been disappearing for years now, and all these people assume someone owes them a job. Albeit, I despise employers who move their jobs overseas, however, neither these or any other person owes anyone employment. They need a certain number of low paid suckers/slaves to make them filthy rich, they're not about to spend more of that income hiring unnecessary employees who then also demand benefits. It's a vicious circle for sure, but we all have to find our own way to make money, or save more of what we make or already have.
07:55 PM on 02/06/2012
Bls can no longer be the gold.standard. people have been unemployed too long
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Michael J OConnell
Enduring curiosty and quest for rationality
02:25 PM on 02/06/2012
I want to see median incomes. More workers earning fewer dollars aren't going to grow our economy.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
08:33 PM on 02/05/2012
Let me see if I get the republican talking points.

According to republicans the great Reagan inherited a recession that was all the fault of Carter, and unemployment - though falling after he took office - (Jan 81 = 7.5% Jul 1981 = 7.2%) began to rise (again, somehow the fault of Carter) and after 20 months - was at 10.8%. After 6 more years - it was back to 5.4%.

Now, according to republicans, the recession that started under Bush (the lesser) is actually the fault of Obama. The unemployment rate rising (Jan 2009 = 8.3% to Jul 2009 = 9.5%) was entirely the fault of Obama, and, after the same 20 month period, the slightly lower rate of 9.4% is a complete failure (as opposed to Reagan's rising rate) and the current rate of 8.3% is too slow of a growth in employment to be of value.

By any true measurement - Obama is doing tremendously better than Reagan did - of course unless you're a republican.
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ariando
Facts and compassion over religio-rubbish.
09:11 AM on 02/06/2012
Don't overlook that Reagan single handedly cured cancer and communism while Obama is the root cause of psoriasis, halitosis, and cooties.
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68Namvet
Sioux, French, German, Jew, American mutt
11:26 AM on 02/06/2012
You are correct - how silly of me to overlook the obvious.
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wikwox
So there I was, playing the piano....
06:59 PM on 02/05/2012
I don't have to read this, I'm one of the long term chronically unemployed. Things have gotten no better, this is mear statistics, not real progress. Having said that I'm far from dumb enough to think the Republicans have any answers, what they want would only make things worse and they damn well know it. Imagine Newt the destroyer as president, truely the rush to disaster would be on. How about Mitt? The great corporate raider who destroyed companies, lives and families while stuffing his pockets with the loot. America now reaps the results of thirty years of Reaganomics, trickle down and globalization. We let it happen. We need to vow the exact opposite: Never Again!
01:20 AM on 02/06/2012
Why didn't you rise and overthrow this evil vampire Wall Street and its accomplice ?

Need some help from the 3rd World ?
06:24 PM on 02/05/2012
Think of how low it would be if the republicanars represented the voter.
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Jimm Milenski
05:56 PM on 02/05/2012
There needs to be a consistent "level playing field", from say, 1929 on, in order to effectively evaluate unemployment. That's the only way to avoid the games and half-lies to make politicians look better or worse than they really are.
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ChasG
Unborn, unchanging, undying Universe
04:20 AM on 02/05/2012
The trend is what is important right now. The deficit is shrinking since the all-time high of $1.4 trillion in Bush's final budget year (FY 2009). Unemployment has been falling since the stimulus spending began at the end of 2009. And the more recent rate of jobs growth is at its strongest levels over the past two years. As more people become employed, federal tax revenues increase and the deficit is further reduced. As the deficit is reduced, financial markets will regain confidence in our economy, there will be more investment, and when that happens jobs growth will accelerate until it hits the new equilibrium, whatever that may be. This is great news for the Obama campaign, especially if this trend keeps up going into the election. As long as the Tea Party doesn't do something stupid, like threatening to default on our national debt, we might just recover from this recession in the next two or three years. And if we can do that while inflation stays at or below 3%, we are on our way to full recovery (and higher interest rates as they move back to normal). I predict that if unemployment is below 8% this coming November, Obama and Democrats will win big.
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IndyvoterRob
The Last Patriot
02:32 AM on 02/05/2012
I believe some Leftists in here need to eat some crow. In a recent article on the unemployment rate they poo poo'd people on the right for citing the exact statistics above.

They were "right" and you all were wrong.

Own up and oh yeh say good by to Barry this Novembah!
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
11:24 AM on 02/05/2012
You have an ax to grind, that's clear. And your comment is hardly a model of prose or of clarity. We Americans understand what is at stake here. I hope that we all weigh the consequences of our vote carefully.
12:20 AM on 02/05/2012
No article I've seen on this miraculous drop in unemployment has answered the question that I have: Do the newly-employed have *real* jobs that pay decent wages, or, like, McWalJobs?
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IndyvoterRob
The Last Patriot
02:33 AM on 02/05/2012
I suspect all of the new jobs are collection agency ones where they sit on the phone all day harassing other broke people.
06:27 PM on 02/05/2012
Only one problem. Collection agencies will check your credit and it needs to be 700 or higher. Small field to recruit from.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
11:25 AM on 02/05/2012
We are not going back to those real jobs that pay living wages ever again in the numbers that existed prior to this millennial restructuring of our economy. It's a new world, guys and girls, and our job is to adjust to it.
09:15 PM on 02/04/2012
"But if workers who have dropped out of the labor force were included, some economists estimate, the unemployment could be higher than 10 percent."

If these partisan buffoons could ever come back to reality, the figure would be closer to 21%, with 30+ in LA and Detroit just under 50%. When we look at the birth/death ratio, and add in the long term cost that NAFTA and its supporters will have cost this country, along with the real loss in value of our treasury bills, our unemployment rate is far far worse that the wimpy media is portraying it.

It is all smoke and mirrors ...... just like gold and silver are being intentionally devalued and the true value of the DOW is now just a facade.
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spinotter11
Spinning through life and trying to understand it.
11:28 AM on 02/05/2012
No, we are all continuing to eat and drink and shop and go to work (for 92% of us) and so on. It's just that we are recovering from a big bubble caused by a lot of unwise decisions by a very large percentage of bankers, financial wizards, and just ordinary people like you and me. It's going to take a long time to digest all of our foolish excesses. And meanwhile the ecosphere - what are we doing to it? It's very sad.
08:02 PM on 02/05/2012
Spinotter,
Sorry, but I don't share your optimism; not when you throw in the opinions of people like world renowned economist, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Reagan's first term Asst Director of the Treasury, who stated, ...... "The US economy cannot recover, because the US economy depends on consumer expenditures for more than 70% of its activity. The offshoring of middle class jobs has stopped the rise in middle class income and caused a drop in consumer spending power."

If you want to get a glimpse of what is REALLY happening to the economy despite what the presstitute media is portraying, try Robert's website at: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/ . He, along with a long list of former administration whistleblowers are now coming out with the truth.

Do you really think that the increasing number of disaster and survival shows and movies being increasingly aired over the years has just been a popular trend?
banana republican
Provoking Progressives with unwelcome perspectives
07:31 PM on 02/04/2012
I appreciate HP's courage in printing this story. The Left prefers information like this be kept hush-hush.
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IndyvoterRob
The Last Patriot
02:37 AM on 02/05/2012
I think they have a token Right Winger on their staff who sneaks these in every once in awhile.

Bless him.
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Bike Commuter
logical
03:10 AM on 02/06/2012
No, it just serves their purpose to post the spin right now. They have actually been doing this for about 3 months. This month they had to dive off the deep end because of the good numbers. The claim is a red herring. People drop out of the job market every time unemployment goes up. In 1994, there were even more. It also happened after 2003. Those people always drift back in as the jobs picture recovers. That is the way it works. Pointing to it as if it is something unusuaI is, as I said, a red herring to draw attention away from the improvement.
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ChasG
Unborn, unchanging, undying Universe
04:06 AM on 02/05/2012
What?  You don't think there were millions of workers who dropped off the unemployment rolls during the Bush administration?  You think this is happening for the first time under Obama?
ColoradoPete
End of term coming.......
11:59 AM on 02/05/2012
These workers were employed under the Bush administration - all you have to do is look at the overall number of people "employed" and you can see that.

The high water mark of "employment" under Bush was January, 2008, when 138,023.000 were employed in all non-farm categories.

Under Obama, in December, 2011 (last month) the total employed in all non-farm categories was 132,166,000.

That's a difference of nearly 6 million people who were once employed and are not now. About half of them are being measured in the higher UNemployment rate. But the other half - about 3 million people, have stopped looking for work and are no longer employed.

So the issue is a real one.........we have many more unemployed people in this country than the unemployment rate is measuring.

Here's a link to the Bureau of Labor Statistics in case you've never been there:
http://www.bls.gov/home.htm
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Americanwoman55
imagination is more important than knowledge -Ein
07:30 PM on 02/04/2012
I go by what I see, parking lots full at the mall. Friends working.

Only one house on the whole street for sale.

So things are looking up.
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bldr1bob
11:29 PM on 02/04/2012
where the heck do you live?
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Americanwoman55
imagination is more important than knowledge -Ein
11:38 PM on 02/04/2012
Central Florida. had to wait forty five minutes to get a table to eat at the least busiest restaurant. By the way the disney amusement parks are now full, so things are looking up and have been for months. I also talked to a pool guy about getting my pool redone I have to wait they are busy. That is a good sign.
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Americanwoman55
imagination is more important than knowledge -Ein
11:40 PM on 02/04/2012
My neighbor sold their house got asking price.
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Sundalecat
We love Obama!, by an angry White Man
07:31 PM on 02/05/2012
You Repub whiners just want to continue with negativity as you always have. Gee, sell out at the Super Bowl, all time spending during the holidays, stock market healthy so who is lying??? Obama didn't say we were out of the hole but it is getting better. Here in California they are starting to hire.
lofttypeofaview
Glad I don't have Republican Stockholm Syndrome!
07:11 PM on 02/04/2012
Many of these three million were forced to take early retirement and therefore will benefit less and deplete Social Security faster then they would've; just to minimally survive. Also some disabled people, who were able to do minimal work, have instead had to go on disability also just to survive because their jobs either no longer exist and/or because corporations aren't providing the accommodations that they need to work.
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Americanwoman55
imagination is more important than knowledge -Ein
07:32 PM on 02/04/2012
Not true. Those of us who paid for 50 years int Social Security will draw out of it as we should. If Congress like Newt had not stole from Social Security to Balance the budget it would not be in the so called mess it is in.

Social Security is fine.
Stop buying into the Bull you are being sold.
lofttypeofaview
Glad I don't have Republican Stockholm Syndrome!
08:43 PM on 02/04/2012
I only blame those who made Social Security into a Ponzi Scheme. The problem with the elderly who don't want to retire the moment they qualify but have no choice but to, in order to survive are being forced to forgo some of the benefits that they wouldn't have had to; if they were able to retire when they and/or their health made working no longer possible.
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ChasG
Unborn, unchanging, undying Universe
04:11 AM on 02/05/2012
Early retirees don't deplete social security faster.  Early retirees receive substantially reduced benefits.