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Washington Gay Marriage: Opponents Planning Referendum Amid Bill Advancement

Washington Gay Marriage

Posted: 02/ 3/2012 9:57 am

By Nicole Neroulias

SEATTLE--As gay couples and their supporters cheered the Washington state Senate's unexpectedly swift and decisive passage of a same-sex marriage bill, opponents were already considering how to take down the anticipated law.

By a 28-21 vote on Wednesday night, the state Senate passed legislation to legalize gay marriage with exemptions for religious organizations opposed to conducting same-sex weddings or renting their facilities for gay nuptials.

Four Republicans joined 24 Democrats in supporting the bill, which would make Washington the seventh state to recognize same-sex matrimony. Three Democrats sided with 18 Republicans in opposing it.

The measure now heads to the state House of Representatives, where Democrats hold an even wider majority and the bill's passage by a comfortable margin is expected as early as next week.

Governor Chris Gregoire, a Democrat, has said she would sign a gay marriage bill into law.

With the bill seemingly headed for swift enactment, several parallel efforts by opponents are shaping up to rally Washington voters against the prospective law. Their options included two possible ballot measures in November -- a referendum to repeal the gay marriage statute outright and an initiative defining marriage as being exclusively between one man and one woman.

The National Organization for Marriage, which opposes same sex marriage, also has pledged to provide financial backing for conservative challengers to the four Republican senators who supported the bill when they run for reelection.

DUELING BALLOT QUESTIONS

The proposed initiative to define marriage as between heterosexual couples, led by Everett, Washington attorney Stephen Pidgeon, needs to gather 241,153 signatures of registered voters by July 6 to secure a spot on the ballot.

A referendum to repeal gay marriage would only need 120,577 signatures by June 6, but supporters of that measure must wait until after Gregoire signs the bill before starting to collect them.

"My guess is that foes of gay marriage will be going with the referendum challenge, since it takes fewer signatures and it gives a direct vote up or down on gay marriage," said Dave Ammons, spokesman for the Washington secretary of state's office. "The initiative seems to be a backup plan."

Pidgeon, 57, said he will support the repeal referendum, too, but noted that his initiative can get started sooner and is not based on what lawmakers decide to do.

"We have a tremendous amount of enthusiasm about the initiative. People are gearing up, and we're going to move ahead strongly, and I believe quickly," he said. "We already have hundreds of churches that have already pledged thousands of signatures."

Without the referendum challenge, a gay marriage law would take effect June 7, 90 days after the March 8 conclusion of the legislative session. If the referendum qualifies for the ballot, the law would be suspended until the November election and certification of the returns, meaning December 6, before it is either repealed or goes into effect.

Under the initiative process by contrast, gay marriages could proceed June 7, regardless of the ballot-qualification process. It is unclear whether any unions officiated in the meantime would be nullified if Pidgeon's measure were to pass in November.

There is precedent in California for handling such a situation. California's Supreme Court legalized gay marriage in 2008, only for voters to approve a constitutional amendment six months later defining marriage as between a man and a woman. The state's high court ruled that the 18,000 same-sex couples who tied the knot between May and November, 2008, were still legal.

Chris Plante, regional coordinator for the New Jersey-based National Organization for Marriage (NOM), said that his group plans to back the referendum effort, but will "keep the initiative in our back pocket."

"We're going to go forward as a united group because what's more important than the process is the end game of overturning this law and restoring marriage to its rightful definition," he said.

His group has not decided how much money it could provide for a ballot campaign to ban same-sex marriage, Plante said, but he estimated that such an effort would cost over $2 million.

The group said it will also follow through on its pledge to spend $250,000 to defeat the Republican senators who voted for the bill, should they seek office again.

"Politicians have to understand that there's a price to pay for voting to redefine marriage -- it is not what the people of Washington want," Plante said.

Evidence of how Washington voters feel about same-sex marriage is mixed.

According to a University of Washington poll of state voters last October, 44 percent said they support the right to marry for gay men and lesbians, but 55 percent said that if such a law was already on the books they would not vote to overturn it.

According to Plante, voters in 31 states have approved ballot measures to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples, and voters have never approved same-sex marriage in any state referendum. All six states to have legalized gay marriage have done so either through the courts or state legislatures.

In 2009, voters approved Washington state's expanded domestic partnership benefits by a vote of 53 to 47 percent, despite a campaign against that ballot measure.

Pidgeon, who worked on that campaign, said he believes a ballot question against gay marriage would be more successful, because people who may be otherwise supportive or undecided about same-sex partnerships "draw the line" at marriage. Such voters, he said, are now more convinced that state lawmakers are leading them down a slippery slope.

Pidgeon filed his initiative with the Secretary of State's Office on January 9. It ranks among more than a dozen initiatives proposed so far, their subjects ranging from marijuana to plastic bag use.

Evangelical Pastor Steven Andrew, president of the USA Christian Ministries in California, has called for a national boycott of Starbucks in response to the Seattle-based company's endorsement of the gay marriage bill, and for Christians to stop serving the coffee brand at their facilities and events.

"Starbucks can follow Satan if they want to. However, pastors are to help Christians. Are you on the Lord's side? Will you help the USA be blessed by God?" he said in a written statement.

Asked about the call for a boycott, Starbucks repeated its longstanding support for equality of gays and lesbians.

"Starbucks is proud to join other leading Northwest employers in support of Washington state legislation recognizing marriage equality for same-sex couples," the company said in an email to Reuters.

(This version corrects dropped word in 15th paragraph)

(Additional reporting by Alex Dobuzinskis; Editing by Steve Gorman and Greg McCune)

Copyright 2012 Thomson Reuters. Click for Restrictions.

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11:12 PM on 02/06/2012
many christians dont realize that their dollar in the plate on sunday goes into a super fund.. to pay for anti gay lobbying..... anti gay referendums... ect. and its like throwing their taxed dollars.. into a tax free business.. that is piddling it away. equal rights are for everyone... its unstopable..
09:43 PM on 02/06/2012
I am hoping to say this with out sounding hateful or judgmental. Groups like NOM do not truly understand what they are fighting for. They feel as though they are protecting America from negative and destructive forces to family and society. What they fail to see is that they judge society from only one point of view. The definition of family they have is limited to what they think it should be. They struggle to create and enforce laws based on an oppressive point of view. What they fail to realize is that what they hold as truth is only true from the angle they observe it from. This does not even bring into questions the large part of the populace that does not even have the same color spectrum as them. They claim that gay rights is not civil rights because a race can be neither denied nor truly hidden. But being gay even if it is not a choice can be hidden. They fail to realize that these arguments bare the same pain as white America saying that all black people have to do is not act like they are equal to whites or walk into a white area and act as though they belong. That there is nothing a black person has to do to avoid hate but be invisible and happy to be second class because you could be worse.
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Venmaker1
I am deeply suspicious
12:17 PM on 02/06/2012
When is NOM going to be added to the official list of hate groups in this country?
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12:55 PM on 02/06/2012
NOM currently IS listed as an official anti-gay HATE group by the Sourthern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), the same group credited with the demise of the KKK.
"The the SPLC’s listings of these groups is based on their propagation of known falsehoods
— claims about LGBT people that have been thoroughly discredited by scientific authorities
— and repeated, groundless name-calling."
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/winter/the-hard-liners

Make no mistake, Maggie G and Brian B have earned hundreds of thousands of dollars distorting the truth, outright lying and spreading hate.

Please support Marriage Equality.
11:45 AM on 02/06/2012
Why do some people believe they have the right to impose their beliefs on other people? And worse, subject other people's rights and freedoms to a popularity contest?
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03:39 PM on 02/05/2012
I wonder how long the gov will / can wait before signing the bill. June 5?

BTW the same type of people who hate gqay marriage are the ones who made America 2nd to last in the western world to end slavery

They'sss probably blab about the sanctity of marriage, forgetting how when inter-racial ban was being removed, their battle cry was to protect the sancttity of the white race/
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PLAYS WELL WITH OTHERS
Your BELIEFS do not trump my RIGHTS...
11:26 AM on 02/05/2012
These hatefilled campaigns are living on borrowed time......................Virtually every poll now shows Americans are in favor of Gay marriage. As more and more states legalize it and people realize they will not have to suffer from plauges of locusts nor have to duck lightning bolts as they dash for their cars they are realizing it has absolutley no bearing on their lives. Not to mention the additional revenues for many businesses as well as taxes for state governments...........
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10:17 AM on 02/05/2012
Here are 4 arguements that judges used against interracial marriage;

1) First, judges claimed that marriage belonged under the control of the states rather than the federal government.

2) Second, they began to define and label all interracial relationships (even longstanding, deeply committed ones) as illicit sex rather than marriage.

3) Third, they insisted that interracial marriage was contrary to God's will, and

4) Fourth, they declared, over and over again, that interracial marriage was somehow "unnatural."

Any of this sounding familiar???

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"- from Reason in Common Sense by George Santayana
09:16 AM on 02/05/2012
As a gay man, I hate to say this, but those who want to impose their religious beliefs on others will do everything in their power to overturn equality. The catch is, they are setting up their own inevitable defeat. As soon as they overturn marriage equality a law suit will move forward. Again, similar to what happened with Prop. 8 (Hate), it will be determined that there are no justifiable reasons to deny the secular civil rights of others, and that the haters are not inconvenienced in any way by equality. Yes, this is the long route, but it is also the inevitable route, as discrimination is not espoused in the constitution and is a violation of secular civil rights.
10:47 PM on 02/06/2012
as a gay man.. i can tell you that fighting equality for all as the constitution demands.. is a losing battle.. but take your dollars out of the collection plate and spend the congregations money in vain. equal rights are not negociable.
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metogamekun
non-violence takes guts
07:54 AM on 02/05/2012
It's amazing how so many people can get so worked up about something that will have absolutely no negative effect on them.
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SteveMD2
03:40 PM on 02/05/2012
it will affect their religious beliefs. The same thing would happen if saudi passed a gay marriage bill. there they would then be taking flying lessons
04:31 PM on 02/05/2012
BUT it does NOT effect their lives.....their relgioon IS not a cause to STOP equality for ALL AMERICANS....letting same sex couples marry does not destroy marriage not hurt fanmilies ( actually improves them) simple facts..hurt bigots heads....gay marriage is not your thing STOP preventing it from making others happy
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FantasticFourFan
No one on the right is a christian.
05:31 PM on 02/05/2012
How would it affect their religious beliefs? Specifically explain.
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Stealthboxer
Cleaning up 8 years of Bush one day at a time
01:58 AM on 02/05/2012
Starbucks is Satan? And ths whole time I thought Satan was Dick Cheney.
04:31 PM on 02/05/2012
DICK CHENEY STILL IS SATAN
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sf1000000
Screw being nice its highly overrated
12:37 AM on 02/05/2012
Let us not worry about the Fundies or the people that wish us ill and hate us..DO we really care? Do they matter? Frankly, I will not give them the space in my head..oh they are there I know that but I care not for them
No tonight is a night of Joy and Drew and I want to wish our Gay Brothers and Sisters in Wash State much joy and happiness for winning your hard fought battle..

The moral arc of the universe bends at the elbow of justice.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Be happy and Joyful...
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08:16 PM on 02/05/2012
I appreciate your sentiment....but yes, we MUST care about the fundies. We must know what the enemy is up to and be one step ahead of them.
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sf1000000
Screw being nice its highly overrated
11:09 AM on 02/06/2012
Yes you are right but, From time to time, we need to stop look back and realize how far we have come on this road and REJOYCE in that fact and what we have gained..
They are still fighting the 1964 Civil rights battles...judging from the current tone you hear about the POTUS

I just ignore the right..because I know they will never change, so as I have gotten older I just work with those who will or could change their minds..but the Right Nope hopeess...Just got to work with those that we KNOW are worth saving as they say..like a smoker..my hubby is a cardio surgeon top guy...you want to know how many times he has told me, " this guy/gal won't listen to me about smoking or his diet"..I just say, "Honey, you gave them the message, that is all you can do it's their choice"...
10:26 PM on 02/04/2012
There is so much hate and judging happening on this page, directed mostly at christians. I just dont see the logic in it, people getting excited about a new law that supports people and their decisions, and that's ok... but it's acceptable to slander people for their beliefs (unconstitutional, 1st ammendment) not ok apparently for christians to make decisions too? What about their rights? Being a christian means living the way the Bible says, and it tells you to preach the truth. Yes, there are a lot of idiots claiming the name of Christ who are NOT telling the truth with love and grace, but so what, not all christians are like that.

Not all christians act the same, not all act the way they ought to. Being a christian is having a relationship with Jesus, and that means living for Him because you love him. He clearly says in the Bible "If you love me, you will keep my commands." His commands are to love people, and uphold His standards no matter how unpopular they are. He wants all people to come to repentance, and just how are they able to do that if "christians" dont tell them the truth?

So if the truth offends and is hard to swallow, does that mean it isnt love? No, that's tough love. Real friends are real with you. Hence, real love tells the truth, it doesnt go along with what's popular. That's my opinion, which is worth one opinion.
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12:46 AM on 02/05/2012
"Being a christian means living the way the Bible says, and it tells you to preach the truth."

"homosexuality is sin' is not the truth. It is not Christian either, as it violates the Law Christ gave.

"So if the truth offends and is hard to swallow, does that mean it isnt love? No, that's tough love. "

Well, Jesus said something relevant here - evil trees bear evil fruit. If what someone teaches inspires hate crimes, genocide, drives people to suicide, is used to justify discrimination, causes oppression and coercion, and requires lies and misdirection and false accusations

like 'homosexuality is sin' does

then it ain't love, and it ain't from God.
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valkygrrl
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01:03 AM on 02/05/2012
You seem confused about the first amendment. Allow me to educate you. Free speech means you get your say and the government can't stop you. it also means you opponents can say your view is foolish and the government can't stop them.

It may or may not be rude but it is in no way unconstitutional to as you say "slander" people for their beliefs.
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08:52 PM on 02/04/2012
It won't get overturned, not in Washington State. Not by a long shot. Most of the State's big employers are publicly on board. A majority of the citizens are on board. The evangies have big megaphones but that's all. Their influence is waning year by year. Paticularly in the Northwest. May they waste oodles of cash and energy flailing away on a lost cause.
06:28 PM on 02/04/2012
Man these right wing homophobes just hate it when the laws of the land don't match up with their religious laws that they want to impose on everybody.
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"A great democracy must be progressive." TR
02:57 PM on 02/04/2012
Evangelical anti-gay fanatics, go ahead waste your time and money. You will ultimately lose. You will be left behind. Some of the ugly things that you do might cause a delay in some states, but it will be just that, a delay. It's almost over for you.
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talkstocoyotes
04:13 PM on 02/04/2012
"According to Plante, voters in 31 states have approved ballot measures to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples, and voters have never approved same-sex marriage in any state referendum. "

And this h@te group thinks that will never change. Whether or not they and their religious bankrollers succeed in Washington, times are changing and the first time they lose a referendum they'll have a whole henhouse-worth of egg on their dumbfounded faces.
06:32 PM on 02/04/2012
talksctocoyotes

Damn straight!
04:33 PM on 02/05/2012
that is why public votes are WRONG for civil rights...MOST of those same states would NOT have voted for equal rights for blacks or women