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St. Paul's Lutheran Church Interfaith Movement: Missouri Church Engages Other Religious Traditions

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First Posted: 02/11/2012 1:35 pm Updated: 02/11/2012 1:35 pm

By Tim Townsend
St. Louis Post-Dispatch

DES PERES, Mo. (RNS) More than 100 Lutherans streamed into the basement classroom at St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Des Peres recently for a Bible study called "Islam Through a Lutheran Lens."

It was a better-than-expected showing, and people carefully balanced their Styrofoam coffee cups as they rearranged extra folding chairs into rows to capture the overflow crowd.

"We're going to be looking at (Islam) though the lenses we have been given through God's word, the Scriptures and the Lutheran confessions," the Rev. Glen Thomas told them. The executive director of pastoral education for the Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod had taught a similar series of classes in the fall called "Mormonism Through a Lutheran Lens."

"How many people here know a Muslim?" Thomas asked.

Three hands went up. Thomas pressed on.

He explained that the idea of obedience was important in Islam, that Muslims were constantly striving to "satisfy, or in some way impress, God with holy living." He called Islam a "religion of man," meaning that "the arrow is always pointing toward God."

Christianity, Thomas said, "is the only one of the world's religions that the arrow is exactly the opposite. We realize that there is nothing we can do in order to sufficiently impress God." There's "a huge difference" between Islam and Christianity, he said. "And I'll try to make this contrast clear and consistent as we go."

In a time when disdain for other faiths is commonplace, even blessed in some religious circles, how does a Bible study instructor contrast the teachings and doctrines of another tradition and his own without seeming intolerant? And conversely, can the increased sensitivity to multiculturalism and religious diversity in early 21st-century America gradually diminish the celebration of one faith tradition's distinctive place in the theological spectrum?

"If you're going to take your religion seriously, you should feel it's superior to others. Why else believe in it?" said Alan Wolfe, director of the Boisi Center for Religion and American Public Life at Boston College. "On the other hand, society does require a hands-off attitude toward other faiths in order for us to all live together. It's a dilemma."

Thomas, who was on staff at Concordia Seminary in Clayton for 18 years, said he believes the Bible studies at St. Paul's have stayed on the respectful side of the line. His goal with the classes, he said, is to explain the teachings of another religion and to ask why Lutherans don't believe the same thing.

"It leads not only to a better understanding of what Islam, for instance, teaches," he said, "but a sharper and deeper understanding of our confession of the faith as Lutherans."

The Rev. Dale Meyer, president of Concordia Seminary, said the curriculum "is intended to give graduates the critical ability to listen, then take what they've been taught and give answer to why we believe what we believe."

In September, during the series of classes at St. Paul's on the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Thomas said that, as in any church, there are some Mormons who are deeply familiar with their faith and others "who have a superficial recognition and understanding of what it teaches."

"You would always hope that people in that church don't believe some of the stuff that we'll start talking about next week," Thomas said. "And maybe, in spite of being there, have an understanding that their sins are forgiven by grace through faith in Jesus Christ."

Leigh Greenhaw, a former president of St. Louis-based Interfaith Partnership/Faith Beyond Walls, said that while interfaith work "is more honest if people do it from the perspective of expressing what's real and distinctive in their own faith," it's often a difficult prospect for Christians who hold tightly to the idea of exclusive revelation.

"The problem that makes people think they have to deny someone else's faith is the idea of revelation," she said. "If Jesus Christ is the revelation, and you affirm him as such, it means everything else can't be."

Maligning someone else's faith is "something akin to a lack of self-confidence," Greenhaw said. "If you're so afraid of teaching (a different religion) to someone else, or of learning another perspective, it may be that you're not very at ease in your own."

Eboo Patel, president of Interfaith Youth Core in Chicago, which does a lot of work with St. Louis University students, said he tries to get people to recognize characteristics in their own tradition that might inspire them to seek a positive relationship with people from another tradition.

"People ought to believe that their own religion is distinctive and unique and fuller than other religions," said Patel. "I would also hope they would know the stories in Christianity -- from the Good Samaritan to Martin Luther King Jr. in Selma -- that calls them to have positive relationships with people in other faiths."

By definition, every religion believes it is right.

"It would be odd for a Christian to say Jesus Christ is not as important as the Buddha, or for a Buddhist to say we can give up on the Buddha for the light of the Torah," said William Schweiker, director of the Martin Marty Center and professor of theological ethics at the University of Chicago Divinity School.

Even so, Schweiker said, when religious leaders engage in the scholarly work of trying to understand another religion in a house of worship, "an ethical commitment comes into play."

He suggested that if a church was teaching a course on Islam, for instance, it might bring in a scholar of Islam -- not an imam, or someone who has his own commitment to represent his own faith claims -- to teach the basics of Islam. A scholar, he said, shouldn't let personal convictions color his teachings.

That's precisely what St. Paul's Lutheran is trying.

In another class under the church's Institute of Theology banner, Russell Dawn, a religion professor at Lindenwood University, is teaching a series of 10 classes called, "World Religions Through Christian Eyes." But it wasn't clear from Dawn's first class earlier this month if bringing in a religion scholar will achieve the kind of dispassionate teaching Schweiker advocates.

"Thank you, Lord, that you have revealed yourself to us," Dawn prayed with the group before class began. "We pray that you would use tonight and the remaining nine weeks after tonight to reveal yourself even more clearly as we study the religions of those who have sought truth in all the wrong places."

(Tim Townsend writes for the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in St. Louis.)

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bi-partizan
citizen with integrity
03:29 PM on 06/21/2012
More I read the comments more I became angry..INTERFAITH is the subject...First book to Moses...second book to Jesus and last book to Prophet of Islam (means beliver) the Quran...they all say the same thing (Bible has been changed a bit, suggest old testament)...they all talk about you and me and how we should respect and live together on this earth....some of you take it to extremes that it is so further than Pluto....Please have respect to each other..be nice to each other and go to prayers in the interfaith centers. For example in Houston, TX if you wish..where a Synagog a Mosque and aChristian Church is erected.. next to eachother..learn how to live together....Understand each other which mean read the holy books of Torah, Bible (old testament) and Quran...listen or read what holy- man(Saints) said in the past read Hadith and publications of Yeshiva's..Learn..otherwise we will never be whole.
07:56 PM on 06/16/2012
Why not just teach a course, as I did when I was a pastor, on World Faiths or Scriptures of the World? Why choose to teach "through Christian eyes?" Oh, I forgot. That would mean the teacher would have to read and research and understand, to present a balanced perspective. People would have to think for themselves. And, we mustn't forget: "Our God is bigger than Your God." This symbolizes much of what is wrong and distracting and destructive about super-natural faith.
05:00 PM on 04/02/2012
Jesus loves and died for Muslims, as well.

He wants them to know His peace, and His rest and freedom from trying to be 'good enough' on our own...which is impossible.

I pray for our Muslim friends and look for opportunities to let them know of the marvelous things that Jesus has accomplished for them.


Thanks.
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BcemXAHA
אני כלום בלעדיהם
09:58 PM on 02/17/2012
Say no to organized religion. Organized religion is nothing more than organized crime. In fact, organized religion is crime against humanity.
12:16 PM on 03/19/2012
You say that organized crime is the same thing as organized religion? That is an interesting statement. Do you mind elaborating more on your logic?
01:32 PM on 02/14/2012
There are no mountains like those in the photo at the top of this article anywhere in Missouri. This church looks like it could be in Montana. It reminds of the church at the beginning of the Clint Eastwood movie, Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. A street view google map search shows that St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Des Peres, Mo., is rather nondescript and boring, no mountains to be seen.
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49tales
lucem sequimur
08:58 PM on 04/03/2012
that's funny cause it was actually the photo that grabbed my attention and had me click on the story
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Farsha
11:51 AM on 02/14/2012
Interfaith dialogue is misnomer.

Because Christian are not going to accept Jesus(peace be upon him) anything less than a God or Son of God. And Islam's Monotheism does leave any room for Muslims to accommodate concepts like Son of God or Trinity. So the Dialogue is not about faith in anyway.

So any Dialogue between Christian and Muslims should be called a Communal Dialogue, Communal Harmony Dialogue. Yes we could educate each other about our religions that surely would help address the ignorance each side has about other.
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CalSailor
Christian, therefore liberal
05:27 PM on 02/13/2012
The Lutheran Church- Missouri Synod (LCMS) is one of several branches of the Lutheran Church in America. There are essentially four Lutheran groups, along with other very small offshoots. From moe liberal to more conservative they are:

1. Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) - this church combined the American Lutheran Church, the Lutheran Church in America, and a small group which was a splinter group from the LCMS in the 1970s. It sees itself as having a strong mandate toward interdenominational cooperation. It takes Jesus' prayer in John's Gospel, that the church may be one, and seeks to find common ground with other Christian groups
2. LCMS - this group, predominently of German background, is one of the oldest Lutheran groups in the US, and has stressed its heritage as guardian of the Lutheran Confessions, and stands firmly on the purity of the Lutheran expression of the gospel. They approach everything from a strict understanding of the confessions, and a cautious attitude toward outreach.
3. Lutheran Church - Wisconsin Synod (LC-WS) - the most conservative of the three main groups. They typically do not allow their youth to participate in Scouting, nor its clergy to serve as Military Chaplains. They tend to be more inward oriented than even LCMS. Michele Bachmann comes from this tradition, although she has severed ties with her Lutheran heritage.

Several other Lutheran groups, the largest of which is Lutheran Free churches have varrying connections to parts of the Lutheran family tree.

Pr Chris
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mbrahms26
04:35 PM on 02/13/2012
All religions claim that they are true and all others false to some degree. They only got the last part right.
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Treehuggindirtworshiper
“Dum Spiro, spero- As long as I breathe, I hope.
11:30 AM on 02/13/2012
Christ came to save ALL of us. We don't know what happens after we die. Christ commanded us to "Love one another." So I personally try to "Love the Lord with all my heart and all my soul and all my mind. And to love my neighbor as myself." I'll let God take care of the rest.
09:00 AM on 02/13/2012
"If you're going to take your religion seriously, you should feel it's superior to others. Why else believe in it?"
What rot! One can (as I do) accept my religion as perfect for me and my needs/yearnings while remaining 100% agnostic about it and other religions in the true sense of agnostic ("I do not know"). In other words, there is no sense of ranking or necessity for such--one merely accepts what grants one´s own life meaning without dismissing the meaningfulness of others choices.
kellygreen
"Ideology is the Science of Idiots" John Adams
09:24 AM on 02/13/2012
Well done in addressing that classic straw-man argument.

It is simply a fig-leaf for religious chauvinism:

1. I can't respect my own religion without demeaning other faiths.
2. Any respect I show towards other religions and their believers is (by definition) disrespectful to my own faith
3. What is true for me, must be absolute truth...and therefore true for everyone else, throughout all time and space.

IOW, a subtle way of declaring one's self (and one's opinions) as "God"...and the final arbiter of what is Truth.
04:51 PM on 02/13/2012
Yes, I think that is right. And I (we?) don´t buy it.
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odaat52
01:38 PM on 02/13/2012
I totally agree. I grew up Christian, I'm familiar with it and comfortable with it, but I don't feel that I necessarily have it "right" or that my faith is the only correct way to worship God, who, after all, created all those folks who worship differently just as He created me and other Christians. Why does everything always have to be so dualistic: right/wrong, black/white?
04:49 PM on 02/13/2012
Because it´s easier than thinking critically, or accepting that one might not have all the answers. As if humans can...
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07:37 PM on 02/13/2012
For the same reason you have to Christian and not a Yezidi.
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reallm12
01:14 AM on 02/13/2012
I do not believe in the system of religion because there are so many aspects of life that when religion is involved it boxes in spirituality that comes from God. I no longer go to church, but I fellowship with people that do all the time. There are so many conflicts in religion, no matter what religion there is. I went to school for auto technology, and I see that faith is similiar in sense. With the repair and diagnosis of a vehicle, you get a book that will explain the mechanics of that particular vehicle. Well faith in God is learning to hear his words that is expressed in the bible, and then putting it to work for you. Your relationship with God is the most important tool to understanding God and yourself and others, but it has to be through prayer. I am not saying that going to church is a bad thing, it is essential because you get the understanding that God has to offer each of us through the example of others. My Dad explained it like this, God, and the word Good go hand in hand. We are tested daily by God to hear his voice. So we need to listen and ask for the understanding that comes from him.
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Capricious Capricorn
Don't wait for a storm to pass. Dance in the rain!
03:30 PM on 02/13/2012
We agree.....totally. I consider myself spiritual. I commune with God on a daily basis but do not belong to an organized religion since leaving the RCC long ago and I never will join another church. The RCC wasn't my choice but rather my parents choice.
FnF!
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reallm12
01:08 AM on 02/14/2012
We learn about God through his word as long as we take the time and read. We can learn alot about this in this years political arena. Jesus talks about those that have the spirit of God in them, and he says, "you will know them by their fruits". We can tell those that are unselfish, giving, loving, caring, and more... that would be the fruits God talks about. Not rich, wealthy, gifted in worldly manners etc... Religion teach's prosperity to those that will follow. Alot in church's think that monetary and material items are blessings. I don't think so because we can't take them with us, but we need them in this wordly system, and that is what can be confusing! God bless you, and yours. Keep the faith!
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07:38 PM on 02/13/2012
Which God?
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reallm12
12:46 AM on 02/14/2012
Jesus. The man born of a virgin, and gave us a chance for salvation. Even if we don't deserve it. Kinda like winning the lottry but extremely better! If you know what I mean? There is only 1 God the creator.
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bermudababy
Left lane for passing only!!
09:17 PM on 02/12/2012
Why don't they get all the so-caled Christian Faiths together? That would be very interesting. MEOW!
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Billy Fritts
I love the Lord Jesus Christ
09:02 PM on 02/12/2012
Ephesians 4--verse --4-thru-7 There is one body and one spirit-even as you are called in one hope of your calling--5-One Lord -one faith-one baptism--6-One God and Father of all-who is above all -and through all-and in you all --7-But unto every one of us is given Grace-according to the measure of the gift of Christ--The Lord Jesus Christ said in John Chapter 14--verse 6--I am the Way-the truth-and the life-no man cometh unto the father but by me--Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven and the only way to be saved----I Love you Lord Jesus Christ--
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Michael Dobson
Political junkie, Atheist, etc.
05:34 AM on 02/13/2012
"-Jesus Christ is the only way to Heaven and the only way to be saved."

From what?
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iknowscottyknows
11:08 AM on 02/13/2012
"If we claim we have not sinned, we make him (Jesus) out to be a liar and his word is not in us." John 1:10

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to those of us being saved it is the power of God." 1 Corinthians 1;18

You are now without excuse. Sorry.
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GraphicMatt
Somebody make me a sandwich!
11:58 AM on 02/13/2012
I just want Jesus to save me from his followers.
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bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
09:01 PM on 02/12/2012
""Thank you, Lord, that you have revealed yourself to us," Dawn prayed with the group before class began. "We pray that you would use tonight and the remaining nine weeks after tonight to reveal yourself even more clearly as we study the religions of those who have sought truth in all the wrong places."".............................. Well, that's offensive. How dod you expect to teach an understanding of other faiths if your first priority is to reinforce how "right" your religion is.  I've alwasy seen religion as a language between man and G-d, if you are a believer. If mankind can speak so many different languages in the same world, why should everyone have to approach their faith in the same way? Everyone's journey is different- what's the difference if we all get to the same place?
Boomerwoman
Momma said there'd be days like this
10:17 PM on 02/12/2012
That's the sentence that stopped me dead in my tracks too. I think it's very offensive and not at all scholarly.
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bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
11:16 PM on 02/12/2012
I can't believe someone who claims to be a teacher could be so un-selfaware.
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iknowscottyknows
11:10 AM on 02/13/2012
"I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6.

Jesus, so offensive. Yet all inclusive; he gives everyone the opportunity for eternal life. But there's only one door.
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bklynsparrow
creating reality from unreal things
12:18 PM on 02/13/2012
The Greeks had a g-d for that- Janus.
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CalSailor
Christian, therefore liberal
05:41 PM on 02/13/2012
And yet, this same Jesus alluded to other flocks that G-d called in other ways. "I have has other sheep that are not of this flock". Is it the historical Jesus who is the owner of this other flock? Or God? and who is this other flock? Christians?

I trust that G-d has many more ways of calling us to him. As Christians we have one way, through Jesus.

Pr Chris
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eddy joe
welcome to the machine
08:25 PM on 02/12/2012
Interfaith cooperation is a good thing. But if you follow the holy bible, there can be no compromise on what it calls sin.
04:30 AM on 02/13/2012
It calls a lot of things "sins." Many of these rules are ignored by modern Christianity.
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eddy joe
welcome to the machine
06:16 AM on 02/13/2012
That is a fact.
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iknowscottyknows
11:11 AM on 02/13/2012
So don't ignore them.
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Michael Dobson
Political junkie, Atheist, etc.
05:46 AM on 02/13/2012
"But if you follow the holy bible..."

But no one follows the Holy Bible. Many say they do, and don't, while others simply follow the parts that appeal to them.
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eddy joe
welcome to the machine
06:29 AM on 02/13/2012
I know people that follow it. At their risk of becoming a pariah.
09:54 AM on 02/13/2012
You ought to get out more.
Widen your circle of friends.
You would be surprised.