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Afghanistan Base 'Aryan' Raises Objections From Soldiers Over Name

Posted: 02/13/12 01:45 PM ET  |  Updated: 02/13/12 03:15 PM ET

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Picture from the U.S. Army's 3-4 Infantry Battalion published in June 2011, allegedly showing "Combat Outpost Aryan"

WASHINGTON -- Following last week's embarrassing controversy involving Marines displaying a flag with what appeared to be a Nazi insignia, American and Afghan soldiers have alleged that an Army base near Kandahar was named Combat Outpost "Aryan," a term evocative of Nazi rhetoric.

In a letter to Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta on Monday morning, lawyers representing the Military Religious Freedom Foundation demanded that Panetta immediately rename the base and launch an investigation into its naming. "The horrendous religious and ethnic connotations are beyond dispute, as is the horribly wrongful nature of either the base name or the use of the SS insignia," wrote Randal Mathis of the Dallas law firm Mathis, Donheiser and Jeter.

The name of the outpost was included in a news bulletin from June 2011 on the website of the Army's 170th Infantry Brigade. A subordinate unit of the brigade, which is based in Germany and was deployed to southern Afghanistan at the time, published a photo of American soldiers meeting with their Afghan counterparts at "Combat Outpost Aryan" on June 5.

The Department of Defense pushed back on the report, telling The Huffington Post that it has no record of the alleged base name. "We have not been able to identify any ISAF facilities in Kandahar named 'Aryan,' but there is an Afghan National Army Combat Outpost in southwest Ghazni province called 'Arian,'" said Commander William Speaks.

According to MRFF founder Mikey Weinstein, his organization was contacted on Sunday night by a group of Americans and Afghans outraged by the base's name but afraid to take the matter to their superiors. "The ANA [Afghan National Army] folks did not believe they could go to the Americans, and our own members of the military didn't think they could go up the chain [of command]," he said.

Weinstein told The Huffington Post that most of the 21 American servicemembers who contacted him were based in the Kandahar area, and at least two of them had been stationed at Combat Outpost Aryan. He also claimed that in the United States, military members at a unified command -- a command made up of units from all of the military services -- had attempted to inform their superiors of their concerns about the name but were ignored.

The naming of Combat Outpost Aryan is the second incident involving Nazi symbolism in the military in four days. On Friday, pictures surfaced of Marines in Afghanistan holding what appeared to be the flag of the SS, an infamous paramilitary unit within the Nazi party. The Marine Corps apologized for the incident and Panetta has called for an investigation, but none of the individual Marines in the picture were punished.

The MRFF dismissed the military's reaction to the flag as inadequate, saying it ignores a wider issue in military culture. "These two things could not have occurred outside an environment that is apparently tolerating, if not encouraging," they said in their letter to Panetta. "Surely your office does not condone such wretched behavior. Given the lack of any meaningful response last week from the Marine Corps, apparently only your office can do something of merit about it."

But Commander Speaks, the department spokesman, challenged the linkage to Nazi symbolism. "I would note that the name 'Arian' (or 'Ariana') refers to an ancient tribe in Afghanistan, and the name is used by Afghans (e.g., there is a news outlet, and an airline with the same name)," he wrote to The Huffington Post.

Despite his disdain for the depth of the military's response, however, Weinstein said the SS flag incident had allowed concerned soldiers the freedom to inform him about Combat Outpost Aryan. "When it rains, it pours, and they felt that now they had more cover," he said of the soldiers who contacted him. "The ANA members were particularly terrified."

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08:26 PM on 07/18/2012
who ever wants to take troops off the line and dishonor their name for something so trivial and rediculous should be shot every soldier is entitled to indulge themselves in ww2 soldier use to capture enemy flags dispaly them as the symbol of a defeated enemy
11:49 AM on 02/15/2012
from article

But Commander Speaks, the department spokesman, challenged the linkage to Nazi symbolism. "I would note that the name 'Arian' (or 'Ariana') refers to an ancient tribe in Afghanista­n, and the name is used by Afghans (e.g., there is a news outlet, and an airline with the same name)," he wrote to The Huffington Post.

papi says;
Thank you to the Huffington Post for posting this letter, This information was proabably confirmed in the region, as FACT, as all good journalist should do...

This is the type of paragraph that makes an article credible....... and a BIG THANKS, to the HUFFINGTON POST for printing this paragraph
11:47 AM on 02/15/2012
PART I

Here was Teddy Roosevelt theory Way before WWII...

http://www­­­.allinon­e­b­oat.or­g/­20­11/0­1/1­9/t­ed­dy-r­oose­­velt-­more­-­on-h­is-­rac­ial­-t­heori­es­/

"The theory was that civilizati­­­on followed the sun and [it developed] in the Caucasus mountains, that’s why whites are caucasians­­­. A white person is called a caucasian because scientists theorized in the 19th century that’s where they came from. They called themselves scientists­­­, but they were scientists with no science, scientific methods had not been developed to be able explore the body and look at the genetic structure and such."
11:46 AM on 02/15/2012
PART II

This was Teddy Roosevelts theory Way before WWII...

http://www­­­.allinon­e­b­oat.or­g/­20­11/0­1/1­9/t­ed­dy-r­oose­­velt-­more­-­on-h­is-­rac­ial­-t­heori­es­/

"So they came up with theories that this Aryan race arose in the Caucasus, in fact Iran is a derivative of the word Aryan. The Aryan arose and their tribes went north, south, east and west. The ones who went south went to India, the ones who went east went to China. The theory is that China was a great civilizati­­­on and India was a great civilizati­­­on because of this Aryan injection of culture. But then the Aryan lost the whiteness of its seed by mating with Chinese and Indian females so the Aryan greatness was lost in those countries. …"
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03:18 PM on 02/14/2012
The government says there is no base named ArYan. It's named Arian. There IS a difference. So who's lying?

Why doesn't the government, and the media, get it over with and either court martial and/or slander every military personnel.(whether what they're charged with is true or not).
When they're done with that, government can finish what they want and just disband our military force.
It's not like anyone's attacking us. According to the media, America is the ONLY aggressor.

Would make it SO much easier to become a Socialist Republic. (USRA - United Socialist Republic of America)
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earthinretrograde
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04:48 PM on 02/14/2012
Key wording here "the government says" ..vs the soldiers raised objections...
Remember the government said..Abu Ghraib was an isolated incident, the fabricated a story about Jessica Lynch, lied about how Corporal Pat Tillman was killed.
I put more faith in what the soldiers say than in what the "government says".
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06:52 PM on 02/14/2012
I also put more faith in the soldiers than either the government or media.
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earthinretrograde
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01:01 PM on 02/14/2012
After World War 2, there is no defense for naming any American military base ARYAN. Nothing anyone says can change the depth of the feeling this invokes in those who lived or know the history of Hitler and World War 2.
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03:19 PM on 02/14/2012
There IS NO base named Aryan. It's named Arian. There is a difference.
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earthinretrograde
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04:07 PM on 02/14/2012
Yeah, it was a typo. oops!
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JubalTHarshaw
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04:12 PM on 02/14/2012
After being told that our public schools turn out literate people capable of critical thinking activities there is no excuse for not having read the article before sounding off...
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earthinretrograde
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04:38 PM on 02/14/2012
I read the article. I should have ended my post about the typo..with "dripping with sarcasm."
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Rikki Heinis
Stop being so overly sensitive!
11:53 AM on 02/14/2012
Just a bit of history...
"Allied-occupied Iran was also to be drawn into the Axis camp, possibly by the means of an uprising. The possibility of Iran as an anti-Soviet bastion was already considered in the 1930s, and coincided with Hitler's declaration of Iran as an "Aryan state" (the name Iran literally means "homeland of the Aryans" in Persian). On the eve of WWII Germany was already Iran's single-biggest trading partner, followed by the USSR, Britain, and the US.

During pre-war diplomatic maneuvers, the NSDAP Foreign Affairs Office took special interest in Afghanistan, believing that the Kaiserreich had failed to exploit the country diplomatically during the First World War despite the Niedermayer-Hentig Expedition. The objective was to ensure that the country would remain neutral during a possible German-British conflict, and even use it militarily against British India or Soviet Russia. Despite the NSDAP Foreign Office's good relations with the Afghan government, the Foreign Ministry under Ribbentrop favored overthrowing the current government and restoration of the rule of Amānullāh Khān, who had been living in exile since 1929. After the German-French armistice of 1940, the Kabul government tried to question Berlin on German plans concerning the future of Afghanistan. The Afghan government hoped to see the "liberation" of 15 million ethnic Afghans living in British India, and the securing of the northern Afghan border so that an expansion towards the Indian Ocean became possible."
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What goes around, comes around!
03:56 PM on 02/14/2012
Great history lesson. Can you provide any links for us to do additional research into this subject?
11:18 AM on 02/14/2012
to all in this room, if you get responses that seem to be pro-nazi.... you must be careful, some are just agent provacatuers, just like the flag may have been........

I have a new fan, who has posted some real powerful PRO-NAZI stuff to my posts... but doing the research I see this post from him.... this is just to try to pursued the people, to not get sucked into this trap, because someone tries to convince you it is COOL, and hardcore military.....

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And of course the "Allies" never fire bombed an entire 'Major' city in Germany, eh??? Within each branch of service is an Elite Force (Navy-Seal­s; Marines-Fo­rceRecon and Army-Delta­) the SS was no different it had elements that were superb soldiers and others that were involved in the Death Camps and Massacres that unfortunat­ely took place; but, don't forget the Spanish Inquisitio­n, which is why the Iglesias Family had to flee because we were Jewish... Semper Fi...
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JubalTHarshaw
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04:15 PM on 02/14/2012
To You:

The sad reality that most Huffers are completely ignorant on the topic of Aryans and Aryanism can lead to some truly entertaining spewing of outrage...
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BlackWidowPilot
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11:12 PM on 02/14/2012
I am neither ignorant of the topic of Aryans nor of the history that followed of the Nazi movement co-opting the name for their own purposes, just as I am not ignorant of the actual origins, organization, training, doctrines, and activities of the various branches of the SS, including the Malmedy Massacre and the deliberate execution of Black American GIs at Wereth by the Waffen SS.

It is because of this much more recent history of *America's* run-ins with the SS and the malignant cause the SS stood and fought so fanatically to champion at the cost of *millions* of human beings that I find *any* use of the name "Aryan" by members of our Armed Forces to be objectionable without exception.

I take this stance solely on the principle that the member of our Armed Forces represent We The People, and the memory of those fellow Americans who died at the hands of the self-anointed "Aryan master race" at Malmedy, Wereth, and numerous other battlefields, as well as all of the millions of innocent human beings sent to their deaths at the hands of the SS.

END PART I
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BlackWidowPilot
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11:12 PM on 02/14/2012
PART II

Our Army and our Marine Corps take pride in their respective traditions which are meant to honor their forebears who fought and died defending our liberties, and that especially includes those who served as my father and his brothers did during the bloodiest war in human history started by the self-anointed "Aryan master race." Honoring their forebears does not IMHO include adopting the insignia or nomenclature of the reprehensible fanatics and murderers who executed American GIs out of hand like so many rats at Malmedy and Wereth, whatever the excuse, be it ignorance or deliberate choice.

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10:27 AM on 02/14/2012
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But Commander Speaks, the department spokesman, challenged the linkage to Nazi symbolism. "I would note that the name 'Arian' (or 'Ariana') refers to an ancient tribe in Afghanistan, and the name is used by Afghans (e.g., there is a news outlet, and an airline with the same name)," he wrote to The Huffington Post.

papi says;
Thank you to the Huffington Post for posting this letter, which could be backed up by research as the TRUE FACTS of the MATTER
10:18 AM on 02/14/2012
I wonder why no one is standing up for the afghani's in this situation, and their cultural heritage... from what I read, they have a airline named arian, a newspaper, and a televison station named arian..... and that the afghanis actually named the camp........

and not one of these cultural ancestry protection agencies does that research, or defends that culture......."why".........I think in gitmo the detained had close to 1,000 culture lawyers making sure they had their prayer services on time, and UNinterupted, they had special meals, even take out meals based on a cultural issue......... yet not many come to defend the afghani culture on this one..............hmmmmmmmmmmmm
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03:22 PM on 02/14/2012
They're too busy slamming our military personnel.
10:10 AM on 02/14/2012
Why is it that we have become so focused on trivial word nonsense. It seems that everyone must spend a large part of their days looking for things that can offfend them. Sticks and stones people, really, get a freakin grip.
10:04 AM on 02/14/2012
Ar·y·an (âr-n, r-)
n.
1. Indo-Iranian. No longer in technical use.
2. A member of the people who spoke the parent language of the Indo-European languages. No longer in technical use.
3. A member of any people speaking an Indo-European language. No longer in technical use.
4. In Nazism and neo-Nazism, a non-Jewish Caucasian, especially one of Nordic type, supposed to be part of a master race.

basically only number 4 is accepted as a definition these days
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Rikki Heinis
Stop being so overly sensitive!
11:59 AM on 02/14/2012
Iran actually means "Aryan" in Persian. Strange how language tends to get twisted over time.
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Gurg
What goes around, comes around!
03:57 PM on 02/14/2012
Same as Ireland.
09:44 AM on 02/14/2012
PART I

Here was Teddy Roosevelt theory on ARYAN definition
­­, as it applied to war.... Way before WWII...

http://www­­.allinone­b­oat.org/­20­11/01/1­9/t­eddy-r­oose­velt-­more-­on-h­is-rac­ial­-theori­es­/

"The theory was that civilizati­­on followed the sun and [it developed] in the Caucasus mountains, that’s why whites are caucasians­­. A white person is called a caucasian because scientists theorized in the 19th century that’s where they came from. They called themselves scientists­­, but they were scientists with no science, scientific methods had not been developed to be able explore the body and look at the genetic structure and such."
09:43 AM on 02/14/2012
PART II

Here was Teddy Roosevelt theory on ARYAN definition­­, as it applied to war.... Way before WWII...

http://www­­.allinone­b­oat.org/­20­11/01/1­9/t­eddy-r­oose­velt-­more-­on-h­is-rac­ial­-theori­es­/

"So they came up with theories that this Aryan race arose in the Caucasus, in fact Iran is a derivative of the word Aryan. The Aryan arose and their tribes went north, south, east and west. The ones who went south went to India, the ones who went east went to China. The theory is that China was a great civilizati­­on and India was a great civilizati­­on because of this Aryan injection of culture. But then the Aryan lost the whiteness of its seed by mating with Chinese and Indian females so the Aryan greatness was lost in those countries. …"
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09:42 AM on 02/14/2012
What a waste of time.

Go get a real job.