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EU: Emissions Trading Scheme Can Be Negotiated, But Not Scrapped


First Posted: 02/12/2012 10:25 pm Updated: 04/14/2012 5:12 am

SINGAPORE (AP) — Europe is willing to discuss its new carbon emissions tax for airlines with disgruntled governments but has no plans to scrap the levy, top EU officials said Monday.

Airlines and governments have complained the tax is too costly and was implemented without consultation. Industry leaders are warning the disagreement could spark a trade war between Europe and the rest of the world.

"We're ready to negotiate within our framework," Siim Kallas, European Commission vice president and transport commissioner, said at an aviation conference in Singapore. "We aren't trying to dominate the world."

The EU imposed the tax, known as the emissions trading scheme, on Jan. 1 in a bid to curb climate-changing gases but money will not be collected until next year.

Under the system, airlines flying to or from Europe must obtain certificates for carbon dioxide emissions. They will get free credits to cover most flights this year but must buy or trade for credits to cover the rest.

"I'm very worried," said Tom Enders, chief executive of Airbus, the world's largest commercial airplane maker. "What started out as a solution for the environment has become a source of potential trade conflict."

EU officials cite a doubling of aviation carbon emissions in Europe between 1990 and 2006 and the inability of governments to forge a global deal on reducing emissions as reasons that prompted them to act.

"ETS will be implemented," said Matthew Baldwin, director of aviation and international transport affairs for the European Commission. "We recognize just how strong the opposition is. If there's a global deal, we can amend ETS."

Baldwin said the earliest scheduled review of the scheme would be in 2014.

Last week, China barred its carriers from paying the charges or other fees without government permission, and Russia, India and the U.S. have also voiced opposition.

Asian carriers say the carbon tax unfairly penalizes them and favors Middle East rivals because the charge is based on the distance of the flight.

"There's a difference between leadership and bludgeoning, you guys tried the latter and are now discovering it works both ways," said John Slosar, CEO of Hong Kong-based Cathay Pacific Airways.

"It's not surprising you're getting this push-back," Slosar said, addressing Baldwin. "Your scheme was ill-founded and you went ahead with it anyway."

Malaysian long-haul budget carrier AirAsia X said last month it plans to eliminate flights to Europe, in part because the carbon tax would increase costs and make flights less profitable.

"The longer you fly direct, the more you're penalized," AirAsia X Chief Executive Azran Osman-Rani said. "There was hope that the EU would back down but they didn't. Now they have to deal with China, good luck with that."

Environmentalists welcomed the European program, one of the most far-reaching measures adopted by any government to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. Although only 3 percent of total human-caused carbon emissions come from aircraft, aviation is the fastest-growing source of carbon pollution.

"If there's no alternative to ETS, we think this is an appropriate action for Europe to be taking," said Tim Johnson, director of the International Coalition for Sustainable Aviation.

The International Air Transport Association, which represents 240 airlines, is urging the EU to negotiate new carbon emissions guidelines through the 191-country International Civil Aviation Organization.

"Non-European governments see this extraterritorial tax collection as an attack on their sovereignty," IATA CEO Tony Tyler said Monday. "Aviation can ill afford to be caught in an escalating political or trade conflict."

Tyler reiterated IATA's forecast that airline profits will likely fall to $3.5 billion this year from $6.9 billion last year as a slowing global economy and high fuel costs pinch earnings.

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06:05 AM on 02/14/2012
It is high time that ALL polluters pay...
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orcinous
Obama has made things better.
06:00 AM on 02/14/2012
There too many flights, people need to stay at home. Tax them all. Yea Europe.
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byronic
02:43 PM on 02/13/2012
In reality the tax will make direct flights a little more expensive than those with stopovers closer to Europe. All direct flights to and from China will pay the same level of tax. Some airlines may add a stopover closer to Europe, but a stopover has its own costs. Some long haul airlines might change their stopover from Singapore to Dubai so as to incur less tax, but if the tax was paid in both directions, airlines might change the outward stopovers to airports closer to China. Common sense will prevail, and the impact is likely to be less than the opponents to the tax suggest... In any case, we absolutely need to move forward on carbon reduction. This is a good, timely, start...
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orcinous
Obama has made things better.
06:04 AM on 02/14/2012
I bought a ticket just the other day from BKK to LAX the flight was $398 but then the tax and other fees were 50% of the flight making the bill $622 and that was one way. Let's add even more taxes on top of that. I can just vacation at home in CA and drive to Disneyland and Yosemite and...oh bummer, gas is going to be $4 a gallon or more. I guess I better stay home and read a book.
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SallyMaclennane
The Audacity of Hype.
02:22 PM on 02/13/2012
It's always a money grab isn't it?
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Robert Lee Harrington
There's still time to change the road you're on...
02:40 PM on 02/13/2012
You pollute; you pay.
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SallyMaclennane
The Audacity of Hype.
02:45 PM on 02/13/2012
Pay who?
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byronic
02:48 PM on 02/13/2012
Perhaps it would be in the US. But, as many Americans already know, Europe is full of liberals, and they tend to follow their consciences. Money is not the all-powerful God in Europe and European peoples are way ahead of Americans when it comes to a willingness to make personal sacrifices for the common good.
01:40 PM on 02/13/2012
This carbon trading/ tax scheme is shear stupidity. It will create the need for a big hubs near Europe where the airlines can refuel and avoid the tax. Actually increasing the amount of CO2 produced.
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blackwind
Relax, nothing is under control
05:11 PM on 02/13/2012
I doubt if building, and flying to, these proposed "hubs" would be cheaper than paying the carbon tax.
09:25 PM on 02/13/2012
You underestimate the power of bureaucrats to do stupid stuff.
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elsquibbs
Socially liberal, fiscally prudent atheist.
12:57 PM on 02/13/2012
The EU needs to be abandoned.
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Son of Liberty 1765
Exposing Government Lies.
11:51 AM on 02/13/2012
So we already have escalating ticket prices, delays on non-direct flights and somehow raising the costs is going to reduce ammissions? Yea, because less people will fly. That will also hurt the hotels, tourism and local EU economies. THe green movement really is naive.
01:53 PM on 02/13/2012
Here we see a Pro-Pollution for Profit lobbyist putting his pathetic limitations on display and then trying to impose those limitations on the rest of us. Thankfully, not all of us are as pathetically limited as they are.

Green energy is here to stay. Why? Because it's better. Just because the pathetically limited Pro-Pollution for Profit lobby cannot figure out a way to build a clean economy, that doesn't mean the rest of us have to be as pathetically limited as they are.

Don't let them try to impose their pathetic limitations on you. Here's a normal woman who is not a scientist or an energy expert talking about how she lives completely on solar power.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvWte2WONGQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dbki73KoRRA

So one woman with zero engineering skills can do what big dirty energy can't! And we're supposed to be following the lead of people who can not do what HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE! You can now buy an electric car for under $22k

LOL!!!

It's actually getting more and more funny watching the Pro-Pollution for Profit lobby put their pathetic limitations on display for the entire world to see while green energy keeps on getting better and better.
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grappler1987
Why does this generation ask for a sign?
11:47 AM on 02/13/2012
Right, instead of flying direct from Hong Kong to London, fly to Norway or Switzerland first since they aren't in the EU but are close.
10:37 AM on 02/13/2012
How truly pointless. Te scientists know that additional CO2 has precious little effect on the Green house effect. CO2 is a log function and even doubling from todays numbers will be almost immeasurable.

Truly sad when scientists conspire with politicians to extract money out of people.

http://www.barrettbellamyclimate.com/page24.htm
11:16 AM on 02/13/2012
Why do you persist in this argument? CO2 will continue to absorb heat, at increasing rates (though logarithmically less for each ppm increase) indefinitely. Going from today's 393 ppm to 550 ppm will increase the heat absorption by ~3 to 4 W/m^2. That's not insignificant, even if you like to think it is. One of the problems with your argument is that you appear to take for granted that the CO2 concentration and temperatures are already at equilibrium. Not so. And the heating is also causing other feedbacks that amplify the effect.

"Without any feedbacks, a doubling of CO2 (which amounts to a forcing of 3.7 W/m2) would result in 1 °C global warming, which is easy to calculate and is undisputed. The remaining uncertainty is due entirely to feedbacks in the system, namely, the water vapor feedback, the ice-albedo feedback, the cloud feedback, and the lapse rate feedback";[9] addition of these feedbacks leads to a value of the sensitivity to CO2 doubling of approximately 3 °C ± 1.5 °C, which corresponds to a value of λ of 0.8 K/(W/m2)."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_sensitivity
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Son of Liberty 1765
Exposing Government Lies.
11:51 AM on 02/13/2012
It also refelects heat.
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
11:58 AM on 02/13/2012
Concrete and steel has great heat-absorbing capacity. I spent 3 months in Fort Worth at 111 deg F. I spent a week 100 miles from Ft Worth and it was 108 deg F. It was still 111 deg F in Ft Worth. I moved another 100 miles away; only 105 deg F. It was still 111 deg F in Ft Worth. It is snowing in Ft Worth now and 65 deg F here in AZ. But I do remember riding with my Uncle here in AZ in the 1950s. It was 113 deg F and he showed me his 470 A/C. He drove 70 mph (in a 25 zone) with all 4 windows open. It was cool.
And those thousands of miles of that same stuff they want to pump through Keystone pipeline? Black and heat absorbing roads.
Every time we use energy there is heat loss. Where does it go? Well. When we are spending our time in New Mexico, the winds get up to 50-80 mph every day. Colder air falls off of the mountains. 100s in the day time. 60s at night. Nice State.
We are going to continue to use energy. We are going to continue to add to our population. The water is going to rise. We better move to higher ground. I have a house I am trying to sell in Houston, elevation 32 feet. In 100 years it might just be ocean front property. Any takers?
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JScott
John Galt's last name is McGuffin-Smithee
10:30 AM on 02/13/2012
Goes to show our current economic structure doesn't work on a finite planet.
charles77
Just the Facts Please
10:03 AM on 02/13/2012
All airlines should just refuse to pay this illegal tax. If they refuse flights from other countries, those countries should refuse their flights. Lets see what happen to Europes economy with no flights in or out.
09:05 AM on 02/13/2012
It's amazing how many of the Overlords are on the Big Oil Payroll
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WESmith
Just say no to gasoline
11:03 AM on 02/13/2012
True. ExxonMobil favors a carbon tax instead of Pelosi's idea of making carbon another commodity to be traded on Wall Street.
Back in the 1980s, Exxon suggested energy efficiency and technology to reduce our carbon footprints.
We can't follow either path. There is no profit for We The People.
Well, not officially. But we can become energy efficient on our own and SAVE Money Now.
I saved $100,000 over 28 years just by car pooling. US Government studies show that the average driver could save over a $1000 a year just by learning to drive safely and efficiently.
We can't fix or affect Climate Change, but we can put more money in our pockets.